Can GPU Transcoding be used with RAGE on SLI setups? - Page 2

unstrain · 07-23-2012, 22:13 | posts: 54 | Location: Florida, USA

Enabling GPU Transcode on SLI setups is easy:
go to nv control panel for the rage profile, select cuda gpus available, select use this gpu and select only one, save, done. In my setup with gpu transcode score is 409, without is 169. Latest nvidia drivers and steam rage patched here. Good Luck.

BeeJAyP · 07-24-2012, 10:18 | posts: 41 | Location: Australia

Wow that actually worked, in fact performance is great even at high AA levels because GPU 1 is dedicated to transcoding and GPU 2 is rendering the game. I did try SLI-AA and while it did seem to be working performance suffered badly.

gloves085

Well thanks unstrain!

TBH, that was the very first thing I tried way back when and it didn't work. After seeing your post however I gave it another go and it's working fine, even using the 2nd GPU to do it.

Thanks for making go back and check.

unstrain · 07-24-2012, 12:18 | posts: 54 | Location: Florida, USA

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Originally Posted by gloves085

Well thanks unstrain!

TBH, that was the very first thing I tried way back when and it didn't work. After seeing your post however I gave it another go and it's working fine, even using the 2nd GPU to do it.

Thanks for making go back and check.

Glad I was able to help: on my setup I am actually trying now to offload the transcoding on my 2nd and 3rd GTX 470, using only the first one for the game... It's a shame that the idtech5 engine is so badly ported to PCs, and not taking real advantage of SLI setups automatically...

SrengthOfLength · 07-24-2012, 12:36 | posts: 94 | Location: Elsewhere

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Originally Posted by unstrain

In my setup with gpu transcode score is 409, without is 169.

What the hell.

I get 144 with GPU transcode enabled and like 50+ with disabled.

Not to mention the game is a stuttering mess.

Several other games are perfect (Borderlands, BF3, Hard Reset, Fallout 3)

unstrain · 07-24-2012, 12:40 | posts: 54 | Location: Florida, USA

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Originally Posted by SrengthOfLength

What the hell.

I get 144 with GPU transcode enabled and like 50+ with disabled.

Not to mention the game is a stuttering mess.

Several other games are perfect (Borderlands, BF3, Hard Reset, Fallout 3)

There must be something wrong with your configuration, reset the rage profile and start from scratch, also be sure you have the latest drivers and rage updates. Your cpu and video system should do more than 400 score.

SrengthOfLength · 07-24-2012, 12:51 | posts: 94 | Location: Elsewhere

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Originally Posted by unstrain

There must be something wrong with your configuration, reset the rage profile and start from scratch, also be sure you have the latest drivers and rage updates. Your cpu and video system should do more than 400 score.

Just installed the game to try this GPU transcode thing u said, which works for sure, however the game is a mess for me.

However I do remember when I tried the game a while ago with a single card I got 144 also.

BeeJAyP · *Last edited by BeeJAyP; 07-24-2012 at 13:38.*

I also get about 140ish on one gpu and 70 without transcoding, however it is more than adequate in preventing texture pop in to me.

Edit: Actually, I get 180, I forgot to turn on max performance in the driver profile.

HonoredShadow · 07-24-2012, 13:35 | posts: 2,372 | Location: Shropshire, UK

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Originally Posted by unstrain

Enabling GPU Transcode on SLI setups is easy:
go to nv control panel for the rage profile, select cuda gpus available, select use this gpu and select only one, save, done. In my setup with gpu transcode score is 409, without is 169. Latest nvidia drivers and steam rage patched here. Good Luck.

I see rage.exe and rage64.exe. Which one or change both?

Thanks.

unstrain · 07-24-2012, 14:16 | posts: 54 | Location: Florida, USA

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Originally Posted by HonoredShadow

I see rage.exe and rage64.exe. Which one or change both?

Thanks.

In an effort to screw up the pc gaming community, Bethesda aka ID software decided to scrap the 64 bit version of rage from the game, although it looks like Nvidia had some hands-on testing with the 64 bit exe, as long as they have a profile for the rage64.exe in the drivers, so, at this point the rage64.exe profile is useless, use only the rage.exe profile for now.
What is even more interesting is that Nvidia has an extensive article about Rage on GeForce.com, and although the reason is to market the new 600 series cards, it looks like on this title, the 600 series are behaving worse than the 400 or 500 series... Maybe the Nvidia guys that are monitoring this forum (because theirs have been hacked, if you lived under a rock lately) can bring some more inside info on why this is happening, why no updates are in work... Too many why's too little time. If this is the future with all idtech5 engine games on pcs, we are all screwed.
My 2 extra cents to this.

HonoredShadow · 07-24-2012, 14:35 | posts: 2,372 | Location: Shropshire, UK

Sepeate problem but do you know how to get 120fps for my 120hz monitor? I'm capped at 60.

unstrain · 07-24-2012, 14:47 | posts: 54 | Location: Florida, USA

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Originally Posted by HonoredShadow

Sepeate problem but do you know how to get 120fps for my 120hz monitor? I'm capped at 60.

The idtech5 engine is capped at 60fps. It is an OpenGL engine (idsoftware favorite way of coding, although we are in 2012 and Nvidia still does not support 3Dvision for OpenGL games), so, all of us with these 3dvision monitors 120Hz capable, are screwed at this point... Another sour comment, but this is how we get treated by buying the latest and the greatest... until we show this companies the finger and not giving them our money, they will keep doing this to us. All we can do is show them the issues in these forums with the hope that they will do something about it, after they took our money. It was our choice, we need to deal with it.

SrengthOfLength · 07-24-2012, 14:48 | posts: 94 | Location: Elsewhere

RAGE works great in between stutters.

It is so frustrating, because I really love that game, I played through it on the xbox, and ofc had a flawless experience.

Really pisses me off that I cannot play it on my lovely PC.

I also cannot get rid of stuttering in bulletstorm, it improved allot with several tweaks I applied but despite being an easy game to run, the stuttering is not something I am prepared to put up with.

Yet another game uninstalled.

SrengthOfLength · 07-24-2012, 15:01 | posts: 94 | Location: Elsewhere

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Originally Posted by unstrain

until we show this companies the finger and not giving them our money, they will keep doing this to us.

This is exactly what I did in 2009.

I got sick of spending 6 hours in front of my PC and doing 30 minutes actual gaming, of which by the time it came about after all the fkn hassle who is in the mood..

So I decided to lower my standards and roll with an xbox and sure, gfx are bad, FEW games run at 60FPS (RAGE is one and it's just lovely) however, I could spend half the time in front of my xbox and get 3 times the gaming done - never had so much fun, until it was cut short when in 2012 for some absurd reason I decided to upgrade my PC.

This will be my last outing as a PC gamer.

edit: I can't quite gauge my frustration right now as I really want to play RAGE however I have just tried several other things and it still keeps stuttering/frame skipping intermittently, I am so angry I decided to install it as I had just sidelined it as a lost cause until earlier. Well, back to one of the few games I own which work flawlessly, of all the games I own, I can only play a select few

Brendruis · 07-24-2012, 15:21 | posts: 1,242 | Location: Melbourne, FL

Yes RAGE is one of the worst stuttering games on 600 series anyway. The good news is that they reproduced the problem in RAGE since I have sent them my video of it. A fix for this game at least should be in the works.

The other game they reproduced with (aside from ME3 and Skyrim originally) was Titan Quest which showcases the problem well due to its camera angle.. they actually stated that issue was actually a separate issue from the other two. How many 'separate' problems are there....that is slightly concerning.

SrengthOfLength · 07-24-2012, 16:04 | posts: 94 | Location: Elsewhere

Bren good to see you, my concern is that this is not a VSYNC stutter (mine) as I tried it without vsync and it may improve the smallest, however it is still there for sure.

tbh my concern is that 70-80% might sit in front of my PC and say RAGE seems fine, bar the OCCASIONAL hitch which they can barely notice - I feel this is one of the biggest issues we face, what is acceptable to the individual, what is flawless, and what IS stuttering, as there are SO MANY forms of it caused by SO MANY totally separate issues.

However I will hold my breath for the fix they are working on for you, and hope it also negates the stuttering I am experiencing also.. although I cannot see this happening.

Bren I do not know who you report to however perhaps you could mention Bulletstorm, it is not right, and as I have stated before, several games work TRULY flawlessly on my system so, no, it's not my system.

You strength stretches long, Bren.

EDIT: Just confirmed, it is still there with VSYNC off, it is just a little harder to see what with the huge line of TEAR right across my screen.

EDIT2: Texture Detail OFF seems to improve things a great deal, but it is still not flawless.

EDIT3: I am so sick of reading forums and trying EVERYTHING to get this game to work like some of my other games - I am literally turning on my Xbox.

Peace out.

unstrain · 07-24-2012, 17:30 | posts: 54 | Location: Florida, USA

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Originally Posted by SrengthOfLength

Bren good to see you, my concern is that this is not a VSYNC stutter (mine) as I tried it without vsync and it may improve the smallest, however it is still there for sure.

tbh my concern is that 70-80% might sit in front of my PC and say RAGE seems fine, bar the OCCASIONAL hitch which they can barely notice - I feel this is one of the biggest issues we face, what is acceptable to the individual, what is flawless, and what IS stuttering, as there are SO MANY forms of it caused by SO MANY totally separate issues.

However I will hold my breath for the fix they are working on for you, and hope it also negates the stuttering I am experiencing also.. although I cannot see this happening.

Bren I do not know who you report to however perhaps you could mention Bulletstorm, it is not right, and as I have stated before, several games work TRULY flawlessly on my system so, no, it's not my system.

You strength stretches long, Bren.

EDIT: Just confirmed, it is still there with VSYNC off, it is just a little harder to see what with the huge line of TEAR right across my screen.

EDIT2: Texture Detail OFF seems to improve things a great deal, but it is still not flawless.

EDIT3: I am so sick of reading forums and trying EVERYTHING to get this game to work like some of my other games - I am literally turning on my Xbox.

Peace out.

I totally agree with your frustration and hopefully they will sort out the 600 series issues with some of the new games, but, don't give up your pc for a console just for this, the pc gaming is here to stay for this reason, pushing the graphics and forcing developers to create better graphics support for games. All we need to do is force them to do just that with whatever means we have. And one way is thru these forums.

ManuelG · 07-25-2012, 02:49 | posts: 188 | Location: Santa Clara, California

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Originally Posted by Brendruis

Yes RAGE is one of the worst stuttering games on 600 series anyway. The good news is that they reproduced the problem in RAGE since I have sent them my video of it. A fix for this game at least should be in the works.

The other game they reproduced with (aside from ME3 and Skyrim originally) was Titan Quest which showcases the problem well due to its camera angle.. they actually stated that issue was actually a separate issue from the other two. How many 'separate' problems are there....that is slightly concerning.

We are still determining the cause of the stutter in Rage on 600 series GPUs. We won't have a fix in place for Rage in our upcoming WHQL driver however we should have a fix I expect for the following driver.

ManuelG · 07-25-2012, 02:51 | posts: 188 | Location: Santa Clara, California

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Originally Posted by unstrain

Enabling GPU Transcode on SLI setups is easy:
go to nv control panel for the rage profile, select cuda gpus available, select use this gpu and select only one, save, done. In my setup with gpu transcode score is 409, without is 169. Latest nvidia drivers and steam rage patched here. Good Luck.

I could be wrong but I believe we did not support this in API when Rage was being developed but now we do. I'll request that the profile for this game be changed so that CUDA GPUs is limited to the primary single GPU.

Brendruis · 07-25-2012, 04:54 | posts: 1,242 | Location: Melbourne, FL

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Originally Posted by ManuelG

We are still determining the cause of the stutter in Rage on 600 series GPUs. We won't have a fix in place for Rage in our upcoming WHQL driver however we should have a fix I expect for the following driver.

Has anyone tried Syndicate yet? I have added it to my bug report but I haven't got a response in a week or two... It is a pretty good example of the stuttering in single GPU with max performance preferred.. even moreso playing with a controller..

unstrain · 07-25-2012, 10:26 | posts: 54 | Location: Florida, USA

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Originally Posted by ManuelG

I could be wrong but I believe we did not support this in API when Rage was being developed but now we do. I'll request that the profile for this game be changed so that CUDA GPUs is limited to the primary single GPU.

Thanks Manuel, glad we got a quick feedback from you. I recommend to not limit the usage for cuda for the first card only, because in SLI mode (with 2 or more cards), we can use the 1st card for the game and any of the other ones for transcoding. The way it tis now should be OK, as long as this guide can be added to the original article on GeForce.com about Rage optimization.

Crabbit · 08-06-2012, 06:14 | posts: 3

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Originally Posted by unstrain

Enabling GPU Transcode on SLI setups is easy:
go to nv control panel for the rage profile, select cuda gpus available, select use this gpu and select only one, save, done. In my setup with gpu transcode score is 409, without is 169. Latest nvidia drivers and steam rage patched here. Good Luck.

Hey everyone,

Can you guys help me out? I tried the method above to enable transcoding, but it did not work. Is there any reason why my rig would not allow transcoding? If not, any ideas what I can do to get transcoding working? My current benchmark score in Rage is ~40. The game is fun, but I would like it to look a little prettier. Thanks!

Intel Core i5 2500K 3.3 GHz
8 GB RAM
2x GTX 480

Darren Hodgson · 08-07-2012, 16:56 | posts: 9,731 | Location: England

@ Crabbit - Selecting CUDA - GPU > GTX 480 (1 of 2) should be all you have to do to get allow GPU Transcoding to be set and used in-game.

It worked for me although I did notice that there's a iGPU Trancoding setting available when I checked the profile with NVIDIA Inspector. You could try enabling that to see if it makes any difference.

ManuelG · 08-07-2012, 20:27 | posts: 188 | Location: Santa Clara, California

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Originally Posted by unstrain

Thanks Manuel, glad we got a quick feedback from you. I recommend to not limit the usage for cuda for the first card only, because in SLI mode (with 2 or more cards), we can use the 1st card for the game and any of the other ones for transcoding. The way it tis now should be OK, as long as this guide can be added to the original article on GeForce.com about Rage optimization.

It was just a short term solution but our dev team would rather try to work with id to see if a game update can be made to correct this.

SrengthOfLength · 08-07-2012, 21:14 | posts: 94 | Location: Elsewhere

Very pleased to see you getting involved ManuelG it helps with the pain.

Perhaps you could take a look at Bulletstorm? it has no problems with frames per second but it stutters like a beast, I have still not played it since I bought it, and since this I have not bought another game, too afraid to waste money, that's the honest truth.

Also perhaps have a read of this, there has to be some explanation

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Originally Posted by SrengthOfLength

EDIT:

I just did a little experiment, I disabled MSI afterbuner frame limiter and went into Borderlands, and it was a stuttering mess, panning with the controller 360 degress was awful, I'd not play like that if I was paid.

What I did then was head into the borderlands config - BaseEngine.ini - Borderlands caps the FPS to 62 by default, as to why exactly 62 I have no clue without being told.

And I changed this..

bSmoothFrameRate=TRUE
MinSmoothedFrameRate=22
MaxSmoothedFrameRate=62

to THIS..

bSmoothFrameRate=TRUE
MinSmoothedFrameRate=22
MaxSmoothedFrameRate=60

Went back into the game and it was SMOOTH like perfectly smooth - just the way I want it.

Might not be relevant but just thought I should give what information I can.

Same thing happens in BF3 also - I use Gametime.MaxVariableFPS 60.

Just to mention I am unable to get Bulletstorm working in the same way, I have tried everything and spent hours reading and experimenting but I cannot get this game to run without stutters - I can minimize them, but I cannot get this game to run perfectly like I can with these other games.

And of course RAGE is a damned mess.

I feel very frustrated that I can only play 4/10 games that I want to due to them not running correctly on the PC - for WHATEVER reason, I am sure developers are just as much to blame in CERTAIN cases.