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Default 04-23-2012, 23:45 | posts: 9,776 | Location: UK

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Hilbert,

Great review. I was surprised to see you using a GTX 580 as that card is PCI-E 2.0.

Any chance we'll get some comparative scores of a PCI-E 3.0 card like the GTX 680 on the new platform? It would give a real world indication as to whether it makes any difference on current high end tech.
We all know it wont make any difference for quite some time.
They covered that by stating it is for future generations of "extreme" gaming cards.

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PCIe gen 3.0

The inclusion of PCI Express Gen 3 is great, but what does that boil down to? Well, simply put, PCI Express Gen 3 provides a 2X faster transfer rate than the previous generation, this delivers capabilities for next generation extreme gaming solutions.
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 00:02 | posts: 5,636 | Location: Timisoara, Romania

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Thanks for the review HH.

Intel is going from 32nm > 22nm , i think ivy isnt that bad at all as 95% fo the user aint gonna overclock. And as usual People aint gonna be happy with anything new.
This new chip has big issues thx to the new tri-gate transistor. They should have kept this tech in the labs and worked on it until Haswell. Not release a problem chip. But i guess we (the guineea pigs) have to suffer in order to evolve.
After all there's not any significant performance gain.
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 00:05 | posts: 1,019 | Location: Tiny Town in USA

Personally, I wouldn't say that Ivy Bridge is a problem and that we're suffering. Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge are still awesome. Ivy Bridge is just marginally better than Sandy Bridge, though, and we did expect more. At least it's not a setback like Bulldozer was. I certainly won't buy a motherboard ahead of time again.

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Default 04-24-2012, 00:08 | posts: 2,800

Wait for new revision, or keep close to stock voltage

http://hwbot.org/newsflash/1685_why_...d_22nm_process

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Default 04-24-2012, 00:09 | posts: 6,145 | Location: USA

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hardocp needed real h20 to get to 4.8-4.9. guessing all these are retail and not es.
Actually all review samples are ES cpus, stated in some other review i read. they said its likely to improve a slight bit or not at all with retail cpus.
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 00:12 | posts: 1,822 | Location: USA

meh. i expected what you see here. SB is missing a key component that i'm sure adds to tbe heat... a graphics processor. Also no competition means easier market manipulation.
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 00:14 | posts: 17,187 | Location: New Jersey, USA

you mean IGP? SB also has an IGP?
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 00:15 | posts: 1,822 | Location: USA

does it? if so is in tbe same class?
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 00:16 | posts: 6,559

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meh. i expected what you see here. SB is missing a key component that i'm sure adds to tbe heat... a graphics processor. Also no competition means easier market manipulation.
The IGP isn't doing anything in this case.

Also, Sandy has an IGP as well.
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 00:17 | posts: 1

So the Core i5 3570 is better than the i7 2600k???.
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 00:18 | posts: 17,187 | Location: New Jersey, USA

the IGP on IB is not causing the extra heat. IB has an improved IGP over SB but its still integrated graphics
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 00:32 | posts: 3,328 | Location: United Kingdom

Pretty dissapointing imo.

Good chip for those running stock speeds and using the IGP.

I was hopping these would run cooler than 2700k's & clock higher with less voltage. Fail.
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 00:59 | posts: 4,173 | Location: Oakland, CA, US

So are you guys saying the older 2600k, 2700k are a better deal than the 3770k?
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 01:05 | posts: 5,636 | Location: Timisoara, Romania

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So are you guys saying the older 2600k, 2700k are a better deal than the 3770k?
Yes, because you can reach 4.8 - 5.0 ghz on air with lower temps. Also the little to non difference in performance makes IB a really bad choice tbh. I wanted to get it, but now i think i'm gonna go with the 2700k for a year or so until a new revision of IB comes out.
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 01:12 | posts: 1,670 | Location: Boston

My cpu is old but I think I can wait a little longer. Not impressed yet.
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 01:16 | posts: 5,636 | Location: Timisoara, Romania

I'm still searching the web to see if i can find more results. I found that 4.6-4.7ghz is doable on air in the range of 60'C under load. Over 60'C is killing the CPU so it's not worth.
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 01:19 | posts: 3,510 | Location: Australia

If you can git 4.6Ghz with an i7-3770K, and 4.9Ghz with a i7-2700K, saying the i7-2700K is a bit of a moot argument...

In the article, the difference depends on what you are doing, but one of the bigger differences can be see in video transcoding.

55 seconds on i7-2600K, and 47 seconds on i5-3570. That is a 17 percent improvement! (I realise this isn't across all tests). For Handbrake its only a miserly 12.5 percent . That said though, its differences like these, and the others in the tests, that need to be taken into consideration with maximum achievable 24/7 overclock. If the IB can't clock as high, its a bit moot if the performance per Ghz is faster... (which it apparently is). They're probably around even, with the IB maybe slightly in front if you look at it that way.

The real questionable thing i5-3570K and i7-3770K. Going by the tests, it seems the i7-3770K doesn't give any advantage. Actually the results are quite dismal considering the i7-3770K is clocked higher.

For games, IB may be better for Lucid MVP...

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Default 04-24-2012, 01:22 | posts: 4,173 | Location: Oakland, CA, US

Well I'm going water cooling anyway, and I already have a massive 360mm radiator .. so I think I won't be too worried about temps.

IB seems a good upgrade for me, I'll definitely make some posts when I have OC results.
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 01:26 | posts: 5,636 | Location: Timisoara, Romania

Yeah, i'm interested to see this CPU OC under air with a Noctua C14. I want to know how high can i go with it until i reach 60-62'C under full load. If it's 4.6ghz then it's ok and i may still consider it.
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 05:46 | posts: 2,856 | Location: Evans Ga,USA

What about the 990X(OC).....Is it Beat????.....Just want the Truth....Thanks........
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 06:11 | posts: 828 | Location: Montreal

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I'm still searching the web to see if i can find more results. I found that 4.6-4.7ghz is doable on air in the range of 60'C under load. Over 60'C is killing the CPU so it's not worth.
Not really, constantly being over 75c probably is. Intel CPUs are quite robbust, don't forget some people at stock with stock coolers/25c~30c ambient easily hit 60s, probably more? so I don't think you have to be worried about that. if 60c load was killing your CPU, Intel would be bankrupt by now lol
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 06:29 | posts: 19,608 | Location: Guru3D testlab

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Hilbert,

Great review. I was surprised to see you using a GTX 580 as that card is PCI-E 2.0.

Any chance we'll get some comparative scores of a PCI-E 3.0 card like the GTX 680 on the new platform? It would give a real world indication as to whether it makes any difference on current high end tech.
NVIDIA's drivers do not support PCIe gen 3.0 just yet. But there wouldn't be much to measure anyway. PCIe gen 2.0 x16 is absolutely enough for the GTX 680.


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Default 04-24-2012, 06:42 | posts: 3,510 | Location: Australia

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Not really, constantly being over 75c probably is. Intel CPUs are quite robbust, don't forget some people at stock with stock coolers/25c~30c ambient easily hit 60s, probably more? so I don't think you have to be worried about that. if 60c load was killing your CPU, Intel would be bankrupt by now lol
CPU temp is different to core temp 75C CPU temp would be a little worrying, because the core temp would probably be 90's (just guessing about the 90C part, but it will certainly be higher).
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 06:47 | posts: 828 | Location: Montreal

I'm talking about the CPU DTS which measures the temperature of each core directly. The "CPU temp" you're talking about is from a diode that's not directly attached to CPU, but underneath or close to it.
   
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Default 04-24-2012, 09:20 | posts: 5,201 | Location: Switzerland

Mixed feeling so far about this generation... i hope they OC well.
   
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