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Default 03-29-2012, 02:23 | posts: 6,773 | Location: USA

yeah i read it earlier didnt make much sense.
   
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Default 03-29-2012, 02:39 | posts: 16,580 | Location: US East Coast

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Z77 boards are already out my friend. Ivy Bridge is still on the process though, I believe it will be released around april (the first models)
Z77 boards are not out yet.
   
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Default 03-29-2012, 22:25 | posts: 426 | Location: Canada

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I dont get you tbh,i dont know what your waffling on about.
responding to this:

""IB will have at most a 15% higher performance than its predecessor.
And that is @ CPU bound software, not games. If you intend to browse and game and a bit of multitasking, get a Z68 board, an i7 2600K - i5 2500k, OC to 4.3-4.5Ghz and you are set to go for 3 more years. But get a good SSD so you feel the nappiness the SB is capable of.
For gaming you must know that the GPU is the main thing. an i7 2600k + 7970 or a GTX680 would be ideal. ""

-every web site where there is a question or mention of ib most poster's try to talk people out of buying ivyb\z77 . BUT to buy sb\z68 instead like they have.
-this thread go's on about haswell [Don't buy ivyb dead end wtf] ,when the question is asked about the ivyb release date.
   
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Default 03-29-2012, 23:37 | posts: 9,868 | Location: Yorkshire [UK]

Well I'm getting IvyB, waited long enough to make it not worth getting SandyB at this stage, and IvyB will be a big upgrade for me.
   
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Default 03-29-2012, 23:52 | posts: 16,580 | Location: US East Coast

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Well I'm getting IvyB, waited long enough to make it not worth getting SandyB at this stage, and IvyB will be a big upgrade for me.
Well, you could always wait another year and go with Haswell....lol
   
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Default 03-30-2012, 00:22 | posts: 10,543 | Location: United kingdom

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""IB will have at most a 15% higher performance than its predecessor.
And that is @ CPU bound software, not games. If you intend to browse and game and a bit of multitasking, get a Z68 board, an i7 2600K - i5 2500k, OC to 4.3-4.5Ghz and you are set to go for 3 more years. But get a good SSD so you feel the nappiness the SB is capable of.
For gaming you must know that the GPU is the main thing. an i7 2600k + 7970 or a GTX680 would be ideal. ""

-every web site where there is a question or mention of ib most poster's try to talk people out of buying ivyb\z77 . BUT to buy sb\z68 instead like they have.
-this thread go's on about haswell [Don't buy ivyb dead end wtf] ,when the question is asked about the ivyb release date.
IB is a waste of time for me im already at 4.4 which is plenty and a good oc for a 930,ill wait some more,im in no rush,there are no games atm i cannot play with everything turned up to max apart from AA.
   
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Default 03-30-2012, 00:34 | posts: 18,702 | Location: New Jersey, USA

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""IB will have at most a 15% higher performance than its predecessor.
And that is @ CPU bound software, not games. If you intend to browse and game and a bit of multitasking, get a Z68 board, an i7 2600K - i5 2500k, OC to 4.3-4.5Ghz and you are set to go for 3 more years. But get a good SSD so you feel the nappiness the SB is capable of.
For gaming you must know that the GPU is the main thing. an i7 2600k + 7970 or a GTX680 would be ideal. ""

-every web site where there is a question or mention of ib most poster's try to talk people out of buying ivyb\z77 . BUT to buy sb\z68 instead like they have.
-this thread go's on about haswell [Don't buy ivyb dead end wtf] ,when the question is asked about the ivyb release date.
what are you ranting about today? perhaps stay out of SB IB threads?.
   
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Default 03-30-2012, 01:45 | posts: 16,580 | Location: US East Coast

None of his rants seem to make much sense to me.
   
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Yeah makes no sense getting a z68 and SB now unless out of try necessity (not just because you can't be bothered waiting)!

If IB is 15 percent faster for the same clockspeed, if you run it at 4.6Ghz, its the equivalent of SB at almost 5.3Ghz. Does that make it an attractive option?!
   
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Default 04-02-2012, 16:58 | posts: 2,051 | Location: U.K

Wrong thread nvm

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Default 04-02-2012, 18:25 | posts: 7,004

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Z77 boards are not out yet.
I got a H77 board from Gigabyte
   
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Default 04-03-2012, 00:18 | posts: 16,580 | Location: US East Coast

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I got a H77 board from Gigabyte
They violated NDA by selling it to you....
   
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Z77 boards are not out yet.
ASUS, ASRock and Gigabyte boards are available from most online stores over here with overnight delivery. im assuming NDA on the board went down before the CPUs as per usual.

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If you haven't already got the board and will be getting an Ivy Bridge processor, its absolute lunacy to get a 60 series board unless you get a massive deal on it (like a $200 motherboard for $60 or something along those lines).

Intel want to bring out a new CPU each year, and a new socket every second year. The socket 1150 (cooler compatible with socket 1156/1155) will only last 2 years as well, since post Broadwell they will be going to DDR4. If they decide to go to DDR4 sooner, socket 1150 will only last 1 generation - unlikely. In any case, don't worry about the generational socket thing. In most cases, if you have the need to upgrade the CPU, you have the need to upgrade the motherboard too

What I mean by this is someone with an i5-2500K probably won't upgrade to an i5-3570K (in general), and although the provision is there maximum benefit can only be obtained with a new motherboard based on the Z77/Z75 chipset anyway. Just be thankful that if you buy a CPU cooler now for an Ivy Bridge, you will get a minimum of 3 years use out of it, assuming the DDR4 post Broadwell socket has different mounting holes. Even then, compatible mounting kits may be available.
and theres a difference between a socket lasting one generation and a setup lasting one generation. sure, the socket may be replaced in 2 years or so (intel doesnt exactly have to pump out sockets as often anymore since AMD pulled out of the performance market), but that doesnt mean the CPU will be considered weak in said amount of time. there are still people gaming on first gen i7s and they were released years ago. heck there are still people gaming on socket am3 quads and the performance you get from those doesnt even compare to intel (i went from an 965be to a 1090t to an i7 2600k, performance difference is monstrous).

and just because DDR4 is launching, doesnt make DDR3 redundant. normally when a new memory standard is released, the first few batches of modules have such atrocious timings compared to the previous ones that the performance improvement from being an early adopter is minimal at best.

youre also forgetting that ivy bridge is on a smaller manufacturing process, which means lower power consumption and less heat, which leads to better overclockability. for some people out there like me, thats enough of a reason to upgrade.
   
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Default 04-03-2012, 01:17 | posts: 16,580 | Location: US East Coast

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ASUS, ASRock and Gigabyte boards are available from most online stores over here with overnight delivery. im assuming NDA on the board went down before the CPUs as per usual.
According to Hilbert, the NDA is still in effect.

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It isn't supposed to be for sale as its stil under NDA.
Let me also add that this is Intel's most confusing launch ever

BTW MSI preview can be found here:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-z7...board-preview/
Source: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=360905
   
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Default 04-03-2012, 06:52 | posts: 9

Not sure an NDAs cover hardware sales. When you buy something like hardware, it's usually yours and you can damn well do with it what you want. It's not "information", it is a thing.

NDAs cover release of information imparted to another, usually without a payment for the information.

I believe these are two fundamentally different things, but it would help to see the terms of an NDA.
   
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Not sure an NDAs cover hardware sales. When you buy something like hardware, it's usually yours and you can damn well do with it what you want. It's not "information", it is a thing.

NDAs cover release of information imparted to another, usually without a payment for the information.

I believe these are two fundamentally different things, but it would help to see the terms of an NDA.
Whatever. What really cares here is that Ivy bridge is gonna be good. Better than Sandy Bridge, but not by much. It will be much more efficient I tell you.
   
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Default 04-03-2012, 22:11 | posts: 16,580 | Location: US East Coast

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Not sure an NDAs cover hardware sales. When you buy something like hardware, it's usually yours and you can damn well do with it what you want. It's not "information", it is a thing.

NDAs cover release of information imparted to another, usually without a payment for the information.

I believe these are two fundamentally different things, but it would help to see the terms of an NDA.
Selling the product is equivalent to releasing the information as you can't sell the product without releasing information.
   
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Default 04-03-2012, 22:24 | posts: 1,641 | Location: Argentina // Buenos Aires

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Z77 boards are not out yet.
I saw them on Asus, Gigabyte and Asrock websites, maybe other brands too, and at online stores.... This was a few days ago... now there also new bios downloads, new software availiable.. etc. There's even the new Lucid Vitu soft which is actually supported in Z68 with this weird custom adaptive Vsync which is interesting.
I believe boards had the NDA removed before the CPUs?
   
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Default 04-05-2012, 01:04 | posts: 1,077

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Z77 boards are not out yet.
Actually, tigerdirect had this motherboard available for a while or at least they claimed to have stock at one point:

GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD5H Intel 7 Series Motherboard - ATX, Socket H2 (LGA1155), Intel Z77 Express, 1600MHz DDR3, SATA III (6Gb/s), RAID, 8-Ch Audio, 2x Gigabit LAN, USB 3.0, PCIe 3.0, CrossFireX/SLI

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...?EdpNo=2332779

For what its worth I just came across this article:

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Intel Haswell-EX Enterprise Processors To Introduce DDR4 Memory

The computing industry will see its next transition to a new memory standard only by 2014, and enterprise processors based on the "Haswell" microarchitecture will drive the change, according to a VR-Zone report. While client processors based on the Haswell architecture will retain current DDR3 memory standard with a possibility of higher DDR3 clock speeds, enterprise processors under the "Haswell-EX" family will feature the industry's first DDR4 memory controllers for x86. Following that, DDR4 will filter down to future client platforms. Pictured below, is a DDR4 UDIMM by Samsung.
http://www.techpowerup.com/163592/In...R4-Memory.html

So Haswell client processors will supposedly retain DDR3 support initially. I take that to mean mainstream systems while server will use DDR4.

Anandtech is usually spot on so I take their Ivy Bridge Core i7 3770K article very seriously:

"The Ivy Bridge Preview: Core i7 3770K Tested"

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5626/i...-core-i7-3770k
   
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Selling the product is equivalent to releasing the information as you can't sell the product without releasing information.
If they acquired the motherboards through the normal supply channels they probably never signed any kind of NDA covering that inventory. NDAs would usually cover information provided at a certain time and place. For instance, if I went up to you and said that I had invented a new capacitor and that before I disclosed the information to you, you would have to sign an NDA promising not to disclose that information, then any information derived from that conversation would likely be covered. If you came by my office the next day and I sold one of the capacitors to you, that is not covered by the NDA. That is my stupidity, and you can test the capacitor and any information derived from the test is yours to disclose as long, of course as you dont use the information in a way violating my intellectual property rights.
   
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Default 04-06-2012, 16:16 | posts: 1,641 | Location: Argentina // Buenos Aires

Oh god stop ! who the **** cares !?
   
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23th april / 29april according to google.
   
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I actually already had the Gigabyte GA-Z77MX-D3H sitting on my desk for almost a week waiting to drop a cpu in when I read Hilberts preview article.
I bought the board from: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=19862
It's cheap and I thought it would be good for my lounge HTPC sytem update.
   
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I actually already had the Gigabyte GA-Z77MX-D3H sitting on my desk for almost a week waiting to drop a cpu in when I read Hilberts preview article.
I bought the board from: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=19862
It's cheap and I thought it would be good for my lounge HTPC sytem update.
Good choice, I am also waiting for the i7 3770 to come out.
I am done with OC, why? Because everytime i got a CPU and I wanted to OC it i got problems, i got a E6600 and it would not OC, only 10% and that was with problems, games froze randomly, then i got an E8500, that was second hand and when i tried to OC it, it would not even post the PC, then i got a i7 920, that i did not even OC it myself, i set the Asus bios to CPU level up, but I got BSOD all the time, something with machine check and a clock interupt was not recieved bla bla. so i will limit myself from the start by getting a locked CPU, stick it in and forget about it.
   
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Good choice, I am also waiting for the i7 3770 to come out.
I am done with OC, why? Because everytime i got a CPU and I wanted to OC it i got problems, i got a E6600 and it would not OC, only 10% and that was with problems, games froze randomly, then i got an E8500, that was second hand and when i tried to OC it, it would not even post the PC, then i got a i7 920, that i did not even OC it myself, i set the Asus bios to CPU level up, but I got BSOD all the time, something with machine check and a clock interupt was not recieved bla bla. so i will limit myself from the start by getting a locked CPU, stick it in and forget about it.
I OC'd a AMD XP 2600+, I OC'd a AMD 64 3200+, I OC'd an E5300, I OC'd an AMD Athlon II 640 and now I OC'd my i5 2500k... all of them without issues (especially considreing the first 2 weren't really "OC'able").
I believe, mate, you just got unlucky !
   
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