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Default 03-23-2012, 03:31 | posts: 49 | Location: Toronto

wow a midrange??

what will they call the high end?

great review! i'm very impressed by this and can't wait to see price cuts
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 03:32 | posts: 8,126 | Location: UK

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Yeah, never said i didn't prefer them, i make no secret of that, but purely for the Nvidia exclusive stuff, i used to only use ATI or AMD gear, but when the majority of games were TWIMTBP or had PhysX, and i rarely saw a AMD Gaming Evolved game it annoyed the hell out of me.

Didn't helpt that Nvidia were promoting things like 3D which i like, and AMD were promoting multi-monitor which i don't.

Even now, it's TXAA and adaptive v-sync, or even things like the Cuvid video decoer that keep me worried about switching sides.

Just because Nvidia appeals to me more, doesn't mean i hate AMD, and it annoys me to see all these gloating post/threads that always seem to appear around the time of a new GPU.
no i was merely being a wee bit cheeky. apologies.
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 03:35 | posts: 4,035

They're going for $649 in AUS. But I only saw 1 store with them even listed so it's no wonder.

Given that the GTX580 still goes for as high as $649 aus this gives me great hope that the price will drop fast and I'll be able to snag one for $600 at tax time.
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 04:37 | posts: 2,541 | Location: Look out!

Well, i hope that i wont see a review of a GTX660 saying "nVidia tolds us that this was going to be the new ION 3 for netbooks but since AMD did so bad, they released it as the GTX660!" or some none sense like that lol

Anyway, very nice review and very nice card! Its consumption its like my GTX 560 Ti and its pulls almost twice the numbers in each bench.

I do wonder why it performs (relatively) badly on Metro 2033 and why Anno 1404 performs so well on AMD cards... (as in precisely why it is like that, what kind of driver optimizations or shader coding is twisting the numbers so much not the usual "Cuz AMD paid'em bro!1!!" )
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 06:40 | posts: 550

awesome.. but the dynamic clocks are a bit tricky. in some games it may work at 1100mhz clock ,but most of us would think, wooooooo that peformance at 1006mhz!!
but, of course it is way better buy than 7970HD for singledisplay users.
and the best part of it is its power consumption.
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 07:52 | posts: 426 | Location: Lithuania

I'm taking back my words. It does shine. But to see gk110 now would be better, cause i see some marketing strategy here=(
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 08:16 | posts: 1,660 | Location: Romania

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So can you overclock these cards or what?
Of course you can. With a little effort though.
All you can do now is to bypass somehow crappy VRM and power limit.
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 08:21 | posts: 21,694 | Location: Guru3D testlab

We'll have a dedicated overclock article as well.

BTW SLI review:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...80-sli-review/


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Default 03-23-2012, 12:08 | posts: 2,144 | Location: U.K

Excellent looking forward to the OC'ing review.

Been reading a few more reviews this morning specifically looking at both competing cards oc'd.

xbitlabs have done a great job here I must say


And Bit-tech have compared the cards overclocked in BF3 here

Interesting times
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 12:56 | posts: 3,855 | Location: Sweden

so wheres the game changer?
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 13:28 | posts: 3,716

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so wheres the game changer?
Sold out. =b
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 14:28 | posts: 4,826 | Location: Land of the Great Downunder

as i expected, the gk104 would perform well.

i dont see nvidia being in any particular hurry to release their gk110 chip, especially when they can milk this card.

tsmc's 28nm process isnt exactly the most mature of processes. the yields arent that great from what most news sites are saying, plus factor in that nvidia and amd arent the only hands dipping in the 28nm pool - qualcomm and apple are dipping their hands in it too. apple's chips are used in iphones, which sell far better than enthusiast graphics cards ever will, which makes them a higher priority for tsmc, which means nvidia and amd wont get as many chips as they would like.

now factor this in with the rumours that are suggesting that the gk110 will use a 530mm2 -ish die size as opposed to the gk104's 294mm2 -ish die size. this means that for every gk110 chip they could make, they could make nearly two gk104s instead. if you assume that the manufacturing errors per wafer are consistent, then that means the yields would be lower in a gk110 wafer compared to a gk104 wafer. this means that per wafer, they could make more money by selling gk104 as a high end rather than releasing a gk110 as high end.
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 14:32 | posts: 2,144 | Location: U.K

^^ yeah sadly I think your right.

Unless AMD have got something up their sleeve why should nVidia not milk the current situation ?
I would if it was my business.
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 14:59 | posts: 3,107

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^^ yeah sadly I think your right.

Unless AMD have got something up their sleeve why should nVidia not milk the current situation ?




because need for gk110 does not stem from gaming market - at all,

but computing/workstation.


certain people with certain supercomputers were promised power efficient GPU,
for which GK104 with its graphic workload focus is simply not suitable.
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 15:04 | posts: 3,840 | Location: The Netherlands

Currently 443,- here in Holland.
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 15:16 | posts: 162

Has anyone seen 3D vision benchmarks? The only one I've seen is this and it doesn't tell much.

http://www.hard*wareheaven.com/revie...3d-vision.html

Also, an adaptive vsync test. Very nice if it performs like this in most if not all games. I'll get a kepler card solely based on this, unless AMD implements it too, if that is possible through driver updates.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphic...Adaptive-VSync

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http://www.*******************/revie...3d-vision.html

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Default 03-23-2012, 15:34 | posts: 204 | Location: Quebec, Canada

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I'm taking back my words. It does shine. But to see gk110 now would be better, cause i see some marketing strategy here=(
I don't think there's any marketing strategy or conspiracy here.

Dunno maybe i don't see one cause i'm not a nVidia fan (i'm not an Amd fan either i buy the best bang for the buck I curently own a 6950 but previously owned a 6800gts other nVidia cards). Why would nVidia not release the best card they can right now ? I mean yes the 680 is a better card (less expensive, better perf overall, better architecture) but the difference is marginal in most games and the 7970 even manage to beat the 680 occasionally. Imo the perm difference is not enough big to steal the Amd fanboys market if both cards are sold at the same price. And it's definately not good enough to convince 7970 owners to trade their card for a 680 unless they are nVidia fans or have money and time to waste. Why would nVidia do that ? Why not release that awesome sauce unbeatable card right now and beat Amd by 30-40% and never get beaten in any game not even Metro ? I just don't understand the strategy at all.

Imo the 680 is the best nVidia could do now, at this power usage, at this temp, at this noise level, at this profit margin and price. I think that saying otherwise is being a little bit delusional. I don't say nVidia will not release a better card later this year (Amd can release one too 3-4 months later) what i'm saying is they simply can't right now and meet their own expectation for the power usage, temp, noise level, profit margin and price.
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 15:35 | posts: 7,276 | Location: Above Earth in a Big Rocket Ship

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Has anyone seen 3D vision benchmarks? The only one I've seen is this and it doesn't tell much.

http://www.hard*wareheaven.com/revie...3d-vision.html

Also, an adaptive vsync test. Very nice if it performs like this in most if not all games. I'll get a kepler card solely based on this, unless AMD implements it too, if that is possible through driver updates.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphic...Adaptive-VSync

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http://www.*******************/revie...3d-vision.html
Adaptive V-Sync is backwards compatible with cards through drivers, the 300.xx driver released the other day has it and it works on older cards.
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 15:52 | posts: 354 | Location: Serbia

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I don't think there's any marketing strategy or conspiracy here.

Dunno maybe i don't see one cause i'm not a nVidia fan (i'm not an Amd fan either i buy the best bang for the buck I curently own a 6950 but previously owned a 6800gts other nVidia cards). Why would nVidia not release the best card they can right now ? I mean yes the 680 is a better card (less expensive, better perf overall, better architecture) but the difference is marginal in most games and the 7970 even manage to beat the 680 occasionally. Imo the perm difference is not enough big to steal the Amd fanboys market if both cards are sold at the same price. And it's definately not good enough to convince 7970 owners to trade their card for a 680 unless they are nVidia fans or have money and time to waste. Why would nVidia do that ? Why not release that awesome sauce unbeatable card right now and beat Amd by 30-40% and never get beaten in any game not even Metro ? I just don't understand the strategy at all.

Imo the 680 is the best nVidia could do now, at this power usage, at this temp, at this noise level, at this profit margin and price. I think that saying otherwise is being a little bit delusional. I don't say nVidia will not release a better card later this year (Amd can release one too 3-4 months later) what i'm saying is they simply can't right now and meet their own expectation for the power usage, temp, noise level, profit margin and price.

because GK104 is cheaper to produce, there are more volumes and profit is way bigger then to just release GK110 instead of it, and to sell GK104 for 100$ less then it is selling for now.
I don't think nVidia has an intention to "Steal" 7970 users at all. Even if they did release gk110, why would someone who just recently bought 7970 for, say, 550$ sell it for less and buy another card? There's nothing wrong with 7970. If I bought it, I wouldn't regret it nor should anyone in their right mind right?
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 16:02 | posts: 162

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Adaptive V-Sync is backwards compatible with cards through drivers, the 300.xx driver released the other day has it and it works on older cards.
Great, missed that one, but I'll wait for official support, since nvidia themselves confirmed it:

"Adaptive VSync will be rolled out to all GeForce 8-series and later users in the near future."

So I guess AMD will also offer something alike sooner or later.

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Default 03-23-2012, 16:28 | posts: 458

Well I personally am impressed and at this point in time, I'm going to be getting one.

Just yesterday I moved to Poland though but I should be home again in a couple of weeks so I will order and pick it up when I visit the lovely UK (this is because my pc is currently still back home)
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 16:38 | posts: 11,152 | Location: Finland

There are ****loads of Asus GTX 680's in stock here but the price, 569 is just too much.
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 17:15 | posts: 3,642 | Location: Poland

overclocked HD7970 beats overclocked GTX680 at 2560x1600.

Says xbitlab.
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 17:20 | posts: 12,250 | Location: England

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We'll have a dedicated overclock article as well.
Ah good because I'm curious about that.

I'm about to fit my own GTX 680 and love the idea of automatic overclocking as I'm a little apprehensive about raising voltages and clocks in case I damage the hardware. If the voltages are all handled by the card depending on what levels you set with EVGA Precision X then that is just what I've always wanted!

One thing puzzles me though, which I hope the article covers. That is the card itself will automatically overclock itself from what I've read and Precision X allows you to tune it further by setting limits for the power, memory and GPU clocks but can I run both Precision X (for the overclocking) and MSI Afterburner (which I use for monitoring the card in games via the OSD and on the desktop via a sidebar gadget) together? Or does MSI Afterburner now have the same functionality as Precision X thus I can just use that?
   
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Default 03-23-2012, 17:22 | posts: 3,840 | Location: The Netherlands

I just read on the Dutch site Tweakers.net that Zotac is working on a 2Ghz Version of the 680.

Here is the source:

http://digi.tech.qq.com/a/20120322/002197.htm
   
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