Guru3D.com Forums

Go Back   Guru3D.com Forums > General Chat > Frontpage news
Frontpage news Perhaps you have some news to report or want to check out the latest Guru3D headlines and comment ? Check it in here.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old
  (#251)
Noisiv
Ancient Guru
 
Videocard: GTX 460 HAWK Talon Attack
Processor: Q6600@3.5GHz
Mainboard: Gigabyte EP-43-DS3L
Memory: 4GB OCZ 5-4-4-4-12
Soundcard: Onboard Realtek ALC888
PSU: Silent Pro M700
Default 03-23-2012, 20:36 | posts: 2,949

Quote:
Originally Posted by mameira View Post
why don't you guys go buy a 680 or a 7970 and shut up? its very annoying, none of you won an argument, you are just speaking BS and making this forum look like 4chan.
wow you're a real credit to the team
   
Reply With Quote
 
Old
  (#252)
Agent-A01
Ancient Guru
 
Agent-A01's Avatar
 
Videocard: GTX Titan H20 1398/7600
Processor: i7 3770K@5Ghz HT H20
Mainboard: Asus P8Z77-WS
Memory: G.Skill 8GBx2 2400
Soundcard: Xonar Phoebus-PC360/HD598
PSU: SeaSonic Platinum-1000
Default 03-23-2012, 20:37 | posts: 6,194 | Location: USA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Firestorm View Post
what is a 4chan?
Lol... cmon i thought everybody knew what 4chan was
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#253)
---TK---
Ancient Guru
 
---TK---'s Avatar
 
Videocard: 780Ti SLI/Qnix 2710 100Hz
Processor: 2600k 4.5Ghz HT On
Mainboard: Asus P8P67 Deluxe
Memory: RipJaws X 2x8GB 2133Mhz
Soundcard: Phoebus + DT880 Pro 250
PSU: Corsair AX 1200
Default 03-23-2012, 20:39 | posts: 17,831 | Location: New Jersey, USA

not me either
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#254)
PhazeDelta1
Ancient Guru
 
PhazeDelta1's Avatar
 
Videocard: EVGA 770 Classified SLI
Processor: Intel i7 4770k
Mainboard: Asus Sabertooth Z87
Memory: 16GB Corsair 2133MHz
Soundcard: Creative SB Z
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 1300 G2
Default 03-23-2012, 20:39 | posts: 12,910 | Location: USA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent-A01 View Post
Lol... cmon i thought everybody knew what 4chan was
i know what 4chan is. you'd have to of lived under a rock for the last 9 year to not know.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ---TK--- View Post
its the channel between 3 and 5
LOL.
   
Reply With Quote
 
Old
  (#255)
---TK---
Ancient Guru
 
---TK---'s Avatar
 
Videocard: 780Ti SLI/Qnix 2710 100Hz
Processor: 2600k 4.5Ghz HT On
Mainboard: Asus P8P67 Deluxe
Memory: RipJaws X 2x8GB 2133Mhz
Soundcard: Phoebus + DT880 Pro 250
PSU: Corsair AX 1200
Default 03-23-2012, 20:43 | posts: 17,831 | Location: New Jersey, USA

must be older than you guys then
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#256)
PhazeDelta1
Ancient Guru
 
PhazeDelta1's Avatar
 
Videocard: EVGA 770 Classified SLI
Processor: Intel i7 4770k
Mainboard: Asus Sabertooth Z87
Memory: 16GB Corsair 2133MHz
Soundcard: Creative SB Z
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 1300 G2
Default 03-23-2012, 20:47 | posts: 12,910 | Location: USA

im not that young. ill be 32 in a few months.
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#257)
Redemption80
Ancient Guru
 
Redemption80's Avatar
 
Videocard: MSI GTX 570
Processor: i7-2600K @ 4.5ghz
Mainboard: Asus P8P67 PRO Intel P67
Memory: G.Skill RipJawsX 8GB
Soundcard: ASUS Xonar D2
PSU: Corsair GS800
Default 03-23-2012, 21:15 | posts: 14,702 | Location: Glasgow

lol, hello fellow child of 1980

Nice to see this has calmed down now, am i just getting bored of it all, or do these GPU launches get more hostile nowadays.
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#258)
PhazeDelta1
Ancient Guru
 
PhazeDelta1's Avatar
 
Videocard: EVGA 770 Classified SLI
Processor: Intel i7 4770k
Mainboard: Asus Sabertooth Z87
Memory: 16GB Corsair 2133MHz
Soundcard: Creative SB Z
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 1300 G2
Default 03-23-2012, 21:17 | posts: 12,910 | Location: USA

yea i have noticed that as well.

this is why we can NEVER have nice things lol.
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#259)
k1net1cs
Ancient Guru
 
Videocard: Radeon HD 5650m (550/800)
Processor: Intel Core i5-520M 2.4GHz
Mainboard: Sony VAIO VPCEA16FG
Memory: 2x4GB CMSO4GX3M1A1333C9
Soundcard: ASUS Xonar U3
PSU: n/a
Default 03-23-2012, 21:33 | posts: 3,714

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redemption80 View Post
lol, hello fellow child of 1980
1983 here; I'm still young. =b
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#260)
Redemption80
Ancient Guru
 
Redemption80's Avatar
 
Videocard: MSI GTX 570
Processor: i7-2600K @ 4.5ghz
Mainboard: Asus P8P67 PRO Intel P67
Memory: G.Skill RipJawsX 8GB
Soundcard: ASUS Xonar D2
PSU: Corsair GS800
Default 03-23-2012, 21:39 | posts: 14,702 | Location: Glasgow

Last year of your 20s though, all downhill now

So has anyone on here got a hold of one of these yet?
   
Reply With Quote
 
Old
  (#261)
NAMEk
Master Guru
 
Videocard: Gainward/GTX560/2GB
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8600
Mainboard: Asus P5Q
Memory: TWIN2X4096-6400C4DHX
Soundcard: Realtec ALC1200
PSU: Corsair HX520
Default 03-23-2012, 21:54 | posts: 351 | Location: Lithuania

Quote:
Originally Posted by MonstroMart View Post
I don't think there's any marketing strategy or conspiracy here.

Dunno maybe i don't see one cause i'm not a nVidia fan (i'm not an Amd fan either i buy the best bang for the buck I curently own a 6950 but previously owned a 6800gts other nVidia cards). Why would nVidia not release the best card they can right now ? I mean yes the 680 is a better card (less expensive, better perf overall, better architecture) but the difference is marginal in most games and the 7970 even manage to beat the 680 occasionally. Imo the perm difference is not enough big to steal the Amd fanboys market if both cards are sold at the same price. And it's definately not good enough to convince 7970 owners to trade their card for a 680 unless they are nVidia fans or have money and time to waste. Why would nVidia do that ? Why not release that awesome sauce unbeatable card right now and beat Amd by 30-40% and never get beaten in any game not even Metro ? I just don't understand the strategy at all.

Imo the 680 is the best nVidia could do now, at this power usage, at this temp, at this noise level, at this profit margin and price. I think that saying otherwise is being a little bit delusional. I don't say nVidia will not release a better card later this year (Amd can release one too 3-4 months later) what i'm saying is they simply can't right now and meet their own expectation for the power usage, temp, noise level, profit margin and price.
Now a lot of people will buy gk104, when they release gk110, a lot of people will buy that, instead of buying just gk110. I'm Fan of NVIDIA, but it's facts. First sell 104, later 110, don't you see anything strange with that? heh ;D unless 110 is not ready yet, i mean currently in developing state. I wouldn't be the one, who would change 580 to 680 or 680 to gk110, but a lot of top hardware guys will. I'm not saying that NVIDIA is cheating or anything like that, no. Just strategy. And if i'm wrong - i can't always be right eh? ;D

Last edited by NAMEk; 03-23-2012 at 22:02.
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#262)
k1net1cs
Ancient Guru
 
Videocard: Radeon HD 5650m (550/800)
Processor: Intel Core i5-520M 2.4GHz
Mainboard: Sony VAIO VPCEA16FG
Memory: 2x4GB CMSO4GX3M1A1333C9
Soundcard: ASUS Xonar U3
PSU: n/a
Default 03-23-2012, 21:54 | posts: 3,714

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redemption80 View Post
Last year of your 20s though, all downhill now
Some people are like fine wine; they just get better with age.
Me, probably a Bacardi or something, heh.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redemption80 View Post
So has anyone on here got a hold of one of these yet?
Would be as rare as a chicken tooth, I guess.
Pretty much of the stock had dried up across major e-tailers.
If anything it's probably from people selling on eBay already.

IIRC a new batch would be around the 1st week of April, but CMIIW.
Besides, all of the current batch of cards being sold by various manufacturers are actually coming straight from Nvidia, with differences only in sticker and warranty.
So, if there's any manufacturer priced it higher than MSRP (like $529; hello, PNY), it's a sign of which manufacturer you should avoid in the future.

Personally, I'd get it once IB shows up its sexy arse and then I can sell my 2500K - 560 Ti system before the price drops too much.
Maybe wait until MSI gets a Hawk version out; dunno.
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#263)
Xtreme1979
Maha Guru
 
Xtreme1979's Avatar
 
Videocard: EVGA GTX 680 2GB O/C
Processor: 2600K 4.4-4.7gHZ 1.30v
Mainboard: MSI P67A-C43 B3
Memory: DDR3 Ripjaws Z 2133 4x4gb
Soundcard: X-Fi/Klipsch ProMedia 2.1
PSU: SeaSonic X650 Gold
Default 03-23-2012, 21:56 | posts: 1,256 | Location: Bay City, MI

Okay first bench ran was 3DMark 11 and here's my results:
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3023193

Stock clocks on the GPU, only CPU overclock.

Last edited by Xtreme1979; 03-23-2012 at 22:08.
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#264)
Sever
Ancient Guru
 
Sever's Avatar
 
Videocard: Galaxy 3GB 660TI
Processor: i7 2600k - XSPC Raystorm
Mainboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme9
Memory: 16gb Corsair Vengeance
Soundcard: Asus Xonar D2X
PSU: Silverstone Gold 1200w
Default 03-23-2012, 21:57 | posts: 4,826 | Location: Land of the Great Downunder

Quote:
Originally Posted by Noisiv View Post
because need for gk110 does not stem from gaming market - at all,

but computing/workstation.


certain people with certain supercomputers were promised power efficient GPU,
for which GK104 with its graphic workload focus is simply not suitable.
last time i checked, supercomputers generally dont use geforces, they use teslas. im sure nvidia will fix the GPGPU processing power in the tesla range whenever that launches.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MonstroMart View Post
I don't think there's any marketing strategy or conspiracy here.

Dunno maybe i don't see one cause i'm not a nVidia fan (i'm not an Amd fan either i buy the best bang for the buck I curently own a 6950 but previously owned a 6800gts other nVidia cards). Why would nVidia not release the best card they can right now ? I mean yes the 680 is a better card (less expensive, better perf overall, better architecture) but the difference is marginal in most games and the 7970 even manage to beat the 680 occasionally. Imo the perm difference is not enough big to steal the Amd fanboys market if both cards are sold at the same price. And it's definately not good enough to convince 7970 owners to trade their card for a 680 unless they are nVidia fans or have money and time to waste. Why would nVidia do that ? Why not release that awesome sauce unbeatable card right now and beat Amd by 30-40% and never get beaten in any game not even Metro ? I just don't understand the strategy at all.
read my previous post, but to elaborate with an example.

the gk110 is almost 2x bigger than the gk104.

at the current maturation of the 28nm process, there are still a lot of bugs. lets say per wafer, there are 50 bugs causing faulty chips.

now lets assume that per wafer of gk104, due to its small size, you can only get around 200 chips per wafer. now given that the gk110 is supposed to be nearly 2x bigger, you'll only end up with approximately 100 chips per wafer. (this is an example, the reality is we're talking a lot more chips per wafer.

now when you factor in the bugs, this means...

gk110 - 100 chips per wafer - 50 faulty chips caused by bugs = 50 usable chips x $500 sale cost per product (grossly overestimated since im not factoring in that its a lower cost when just buying a chip) = $25000.

gk104 - 200 chips per wafer - 50 faulty chips caused y bugs = 150 usable chips x $500 sale cost (once again im not factoring in the lower cost for buying just the chip) = $75000.

so at the current rate of maturation, nvidia wouldnt make as much money from releasing gk110 on an immature process compared to gk104. with gk104, they can release a product that surpasses the competition, make more money, whilst working on ironing out the bugs in the wafer before releasing a gk110 when it will be more profitable.
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#265)
---TK---
Ancient Guru
 
---TK---'s Avatar
 
Videocard: 780Ti SLI/Qnix 2710 100Hz
Processor: 2600k 4.5Ghz HT On
Mainboard: Asus P8P67 Deluxe
Memory: RipJaws X 2x8GB 2133Mhz
Soundcard: Phoebus + DT880 Pro 250
PSU: Corsair AX 1200
Default 03-23-2012, 21:59 | posts: 17,831 | Location: New Jersey, USA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xtreme1979 View Post
Okay first bench ran was 3DMark 11 and here's my results:
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3023193
gpu oc?
very good score regardless. think I hit 7300 single 580 give or take a few points
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#266)
RagDoll_Effect
Ancient Guru
 
RagDoll_Effect's Avatar
 
Videocard: 2x nvidia GTX 560 SLI
Processor: Intel i5 2500K 5.3 Ghz
Mainboard: ASROCK Extreme4 Gen3
Memory: 12GB high performance
Soundcard: A-U7 DefTechL/R Polk Sub
PSU: OCZ GAMEXTREME 1010 Watts
Default 03-23-2012, 22:03 | posts: 4,271 | Location: Australia

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xtreme1979 View Post
Okay first bench ran was 3DMark 11 and here's my results:
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3023193
Cool, that's a great P score, is that at stock clocks?

regards,
RagDoll.
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#267)
k1net1cs
Ancient Guru
 
Videocard: Radeon HD 5650m (550/800)
Processor: Intel Core i5-520M 2.4GHz
Mainboard: Sony VAIO VPCEA16FG
Memory: 2x4GB CMSO4GX3M1A1333C9
Soundcard: ASUS Xonar U3
PSU: n/a
Default 03-23-2012, 22:03 | posts: 3,714

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xtreme1979 View Post
Okay first bench ran was 3DMark 11 and here's my results:
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3023193
I take it that's on stock clock / TDP?


[edit]
Lol, everyone's asking the same thing. =b
[/edit]
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#268)
NAMEk
Master Guru
 
Videocard: Gainward/GTX560/2GB
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8600
Mainboard: Asus P5Q
Memory: TWIN2X4096-6400C4DHX
Soundcard: Realtec ALC1200
PSU: Corsair HX520
Default 03-23-2012, 22:05 | posts: 351 | Location: Lithuania

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sever View Post
last time i checked, supercomputers generally dont use geforces, they use teslas. im sure nvidia will fix the GPGPU processing power in the tesla range whenever that launches.



read my previous post, but to elaborate with an example.

the gk110 is almost 2x bigger than the gk104.

at the current maturation of the 28nm process, there are still a lot of bugs. lets say per wafer, there are 50 bugs causing faulty chips.

now lets assume that per wafer of gk104, due to its small size, you can only get around 200 chips per wafer. now given that the gk110 is supposed to be nearly 2x bigger, you'll only end up with approximately 100 chips per wafer. (this is an example, the reality is we're talking a lot more chips per wafer.

now when you factor in the bugs, this means...

gk110 - 100 chips per wafer - 50 faulty chips caused by bugs = 50 usable chips x $500 sale cost per product (grossly overestimated since im not factoring in that its a lower cost when just buying a chip) = $25000.

gk104 - 200 chips per wafer - 50 faulty chips caused y bugs = 150 usable chips x $500 sale cost (once again im not factoring in the lower cost for buying just the chip) = $75000.

so at the current rate of maturation, nvidia wouldnt make as much money from releasing gk110 on an immature process compared to gk104. with gk104, they can release a product that surpasses the competition, make more money, whilst working on ironing out the bugs in the wafer before releasing a gk110 when it will be more profitable.
If you are 100% guaranteed of your statements of immaturation, then my bad and thanks for heads up
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#269)
Xtreme1979
Maha Guru
 
Xtreme1979's Avatar
 
Videocard: EVGA GTX 680 2GB O/C
Processor: 2600K 4.4-4.7gHZ 1.30v
Mainboard: MSI P67A-C43 B3
Memory: DDR3 Ripjaws Z 2133 4x4gb
Soundcard: X-Fi/Klipsch ProMedia 2.1
PSU: SeaSonic X650 Gold
Default 03-23-2012, 22:11 | posts: 1,256 | Location: Bay City, MI

Quote:
Originally Posted by k1net1cs View Post
I take it that's on stock clock / TDP?


[edit]
Lol, everyone's asking the same thing. =b
[/edit]
Yes, everyone sorry stock GPU clocks. BTW here is Heaven 3.0 max everything:

   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#270)
k1net1cs
Ancient Guru
 
Videocard: Radeon HD 5650m (550/800)
Processor: Intel Core i5-520M 2.4GHz
Mainboard: Sony VAIO VPCEA16FG
Memory: 2x4GB CMSO4GX3M1A1333C9
Soundcard: ASUS Xonar U3
PSU: n/a
Default 03-23-2012, 22:16 | posts: 3,714

I think I just farted rainbows. Tesselated rainbows.
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#271)
---TK---
Ancient Guru
 
---TK---'s Avatar
 
Videocard: 780Ti SLI/Qnix 2710 100Hz
Processor: 2600k 4.5Ghz HT On
Mainboard: Asus P8P67 Deluxe
Memory: RipJaws X 2x8GB 2133Mhz
Soundcard: Phoebus + DT880 Pro 250
PSU: Corsair AX 1200
Default 03-23-2012, 22:16 | posts: 17,831 | Location: New Jersey, USA

add some gpu mhz. about 100 can you post back? be carefull a photoshopped 680 burnt the vrm`s from just a 100mhz increase lol
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#272)
harkinsteven
Maha Guru
 
harkinsteven's Avatar
 
Videocard: GTX 680 4GB SLI
Processor: I5 3570k @ 4.8Ghz
Mainboard: MSI Z77 MPOWER
Memory: 32gb Kingston Beast 2400
Soundcard: SoundBlasterZxR/EdifierC6
PSU: XFX PRO 750W
Default 03-23-2012, 22:17 | posts: 2,131 | Location: Ireland

Someone test The Witcher 2 with ubersampling please
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#273)
fr33k
Maha Guru
 
fr33k's Avatar
 
Videocard: EVGA GTX680 SC
Processor: Intel Core i7 3770K
Mainboard: ASUS SABERTOOTH z77
Memory: CORSAIR XMS3 1600 16GB
Soundcard: Asus Xonar Essense STX
PSU: Corsair AX760i
Default 03-23-2012, 22:23 | posts: 1,822 | Location: USA

Quote:
Originally Posted by ---TK--- View Post
add some gpu mhz. about 100 can you post back? be carefull a photoshopped 680 burnt the vrm`s from just a 100mhz increase lol
please don't continue the troll thread.
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#274)
Noisiv
Ancient Guru
 
Videocard: GTX 460 HAWK Talon Attack
Processor: Q6600@3.5GHz
Mainboard: Gigabyte EP-43-DS3L
Memory: 4GB OCZ 5-4-4-4-12
Soundcard: Onboard Realtek ALC888
PSU: Silent Pro M700
Default 03-23-2012, 22:23 | posts: 2,949

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sever View Post
last time i checked, supercomputers generally dont use geforces, they use teslas. im sure nvidia will fix the GPGPU processing power in the tesla range whenever that launches.
I dont quite follow you.... I didn't even mention GeForce.
But they will proly use same GK110, and although designing it for Tesla, offer it through GeForce SKU.

And Nvidia won't fix GPGU, nothing is broken on GK104 - but they will design chip around general computing this time, not around graphics like for GK104.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sever View Post
l

so at the current rate of maturation, nvidia wouldnt make as much money from releasing gk110 on an immature process compared to gk104.

WTH are u talking about

one GF100 through Quadro 6000 is selling for $4,000 (four thousand dollars)

Last edited by Noisiv; 03-23-2012 at 22:41.
   
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#275)
---TK---
Ancient Guru
 
---TK---'s Avatar
 
Videocard: 780Ti SLI/Qnix 2710 100Hz
Processor: 2600k 4.5Ghz HT On
Mainboard: Asus P8P67 Deluxe
Memory: RipJaws X 2x8GB 2133Mhz
Soundcard: Phoebus + DT880 Pro 250
PSU: Corsair AX 1200
Default 03-23-2012, 22:27 | posts: 17,831 | Location: New Jersey, USA

Quote:
Originally Posted by fr33k View Post
please don't continue the troll thread.
sure thing back seat mod
   
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBulletin Skin developed by: vBStyles.com
Copyright (c) 1995-2014, All Rights Reserved. The Guru of 3D, the Hardware Guru, and 3D Guru are trademarks owned by Hilbert Hagedoorn.