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Default 02-19-2012, 08:27 | posts: 3,614 | Location: Northcoast of Germany

Unless they figure out a way to squeeze more $$$ out of it, CoD will stay the same until hell freezes over.

Personally i'm with Radical_53 here, the graphics are good enough and stories are great. REALLY loved that level where you had 2 minutes to get to the russian rocket and stop the launch sequence before its too late.
   
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Default 02-19-2012, 09:05 | posts: 4,959 | Location: Washington State, USA

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the graphics are good enough
If we were in the year 2004-2007, sure...but we aren't, we're in 2012
   
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Default 02-19-2012, 10:35 | posts: 3,056 | Location: Germany

@dire badger: Sure it's old but it's "heavily modified" Actually I don't mind how old it is as long as it works and looks like it does today. I love good graphics but they're still absolutely fine for me.

@stvor: Those settings are locked but there are workarounds, at least to a certain level. It's MW3 you're talking about though, I don't like that either (map design is just terrible and technically p2p doesn't cut it).

@gaizo: BO 2. BO had ranked servers, the system worked pretty well, so I hope BO 2 has them too.

@aura: Right, the changes are small. New content is still new content though. SP is fresh and maps are fresh, usually other things get an overhaul too. I'd love to see more improvements but as long as the game's fun, I'm fine with it. They shouldn't charge more than average for it though, to me it's a sign of bad manners.
Graphics are still improving though (slightly) and I still like the overall level of detail and quality of the sound.

@pr: So why are you posting here if you didn't like any of the previous titles? Do you think they would go the EA way and change their major titles to me more like the competitors, just to screw all their core fans over? That doesn't seem to work either, don't you agree?
   
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I really like the Black Ops campaign better then mw3 tho it was still good in its own right I also like the graphics better on BO Treyarch certainly redeemed themselfs from the lacking CoD 3 game WaW was fun too
   
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Default 02-19-2012, 18:05 | posts: 4,959 | Location: Washington State, USA

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New content is still new content though. SP is fresh and maps are fresh,
I'll just have to say, for me, they are not fresh

All it is every new game is a new set of walls ceiling and floor

Every time i play a new COD either the single player or the multiplayer i have this overwhelming feeling i've already playing this many times in many games with the same name, and that's not being too harsh about it, i literally feel that every time i play it, so to me, that's not fresh at all
   
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Default 02-19-2012, 19:23 | posts: 3,056 | Location: Germany

Well then that's your feeling. They are new, they are fresh, they come up with new layouts and new ideas. SP has a new story, new places to visit, new people involved.
It's a fact that most people don't seem to want the game to be different. They want more of the same and that's what they get.
The formula itself works so they can't change too much at once, otherwise the "comfortable feeling" would get lost.
   
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Default 02-19-2012, 19:28 | posts: 1,668 | Location: Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A.

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@pr: So why are you posting here if you didn't like any of the previous titles? Do you think they would go the EA way and change their major titles to me more like the competitors, just to screw all their core fans over? That doesn't seem to work either, don't you agree?

To express my disgust with this inevitably-continuing awful franchise.

Also, I don't agree with your assertions about BF3. It's definitely different from BF2, but I am GLAD that it's not identical to BF2. Those who complain about that while complaining that every CoD is the same exact game (which they are) are hypocritical, IMO. Evolution is necessary. Not happy about all of the changes, but many make perfect sense.

Plus the difference between BF3 and CoD is day-and-night.

On an unrelated note, I must say that CoD has some of the worst storytelling I have ever seen. Absolute Michael Bay-esque unbelievable nonsense. EXPLOSIONS! BOOM! SLOW MOTION! CUT-SCENES EVERYWHERE!

Rock, Paper, Shotgun summed up CoD so VERY well in the following:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011...single-player/
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011...ns-an-un-game/


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Default 02-19-2012, 19:44 | posts: 3,056 | Location: Germany

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To express my disgust with this inevitably-continuing awful franchise.
Well, why don't you write Activision? I'd doubt they'd care though.
It also seems you haven't played BF3's singleplayer part. Now that's bad and perfectly summed up by what you just said. Explosion, slow-mo, cutscene, repeat (it even repeats some cutscenes and slow-mos, no that's unique!)
   
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Default 02-19-2012, 20:52 | posts: 4,959 | Location: Washington State, USA

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Well then that's your feeling. They are new, they are fresh, they come up with new layouts and new ideas. SP has a new story, new places to visit, new people involved.
It's a fact that most people don't seem to want the game to be different. They want more of the same and that's what they get.
The formula itself works so they can't change too much at once, otherwise the "comfortable feeling" would get lost.
I guess your definition of fresh and mine are completely different, as fresh implies...well fresh, not differently places maps

It's like having pizza rolls one day and only eating half of them, put them in the fridge, and then when you get them the next day you find someone moved them around on the plate, and therefore they must be "fresh" because they've been moved to different areas

That is not my idea of fresh

And as i said, the formula for the game doesn't necessarily need to be changed, but the engine does, they absolutely and positively need a new engine, the current engine they have can BARELY do any physics at all! at the least, they aren't adding much into it (shooting cups on tables or similar things like that and them not moving is unacceptable in this day in age)

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It's a fact that most people don't seem to want the game to be different.
"most" people do not want this gaming franchise to live any longer, "most" people that play the game are console players, "most" people who play the game are casual players who think they are gamers when in reality they treat gaming like a distant side hobby and don't have any knowledge of games that aren't advertised to hell and back (please note here i am saying most, i do realize that not EVERY person fits into these categories, and i do understand that some people like the game for actual legit reasons, but most people do not)

I guarantee you that if you were to take a worldwide mandatory vote by everyone who has an opinion on call of duty asking if they wanted the next COD to be the same exact things with new walls floor and ceilings, they'd say no

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Default 02-20-2012, 09:32 | posts: 3,056 | Location: Germany

I'm sure they will change the engine as soon as new consoles come out. Graphics are still fine for many players, not only on console but also on PC.
So far I can only remember Crysis and Battlefield, as multiplayer shooters, to possibly look better than recent CoD titles. All of them need some further tweaking though to really look nice.

Taking your example of a pizza guy I'd rather thing it matches DLC It's surely true they always use the same dough, same ingredients and the same toppings. There are different cooks and ovens though
You may also be right that, if being asked individually, people would want a vast number of changes. I'm still sure though that the series, as a whole, is the only family pizza that most people would enjoy.
If they always did what "people" want they'd end up like Dice, totally changing balance over and over again to suit the ones that are moaning and crying the loudest.
If common gamers really didn't like the series anymore, at all, they would finally stop buying it. BO had huge sales even on PC so it seems they're still doing something right.
   
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People must be ON something these days....BO better than MW, Jeez.....
   
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Default 02-21-2012, 01:06 | posts: 1,668 | Location: Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A.

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Well, why don't you write Activision? I'd doubt they'd care though.
It also seems you haven't played BF3's singleplayer part. Now that's bad and perfectly summed up by what you just said. Explosion, slow-mo, cutscene, repeat (it even repeats some cutscenes and slow-mos, no that's unique!)

Why do you seem to have a problem with someone expressing his/her opinion here? Obviously Activision wouldn't listen - it's their cash-cow. And it blows.

I did play BF3's SP. And I loved it. Could have done with less QTEs and more sandbox-ness. Wasn't perfect, but by no means was it like CoD - the story was very believable (unlike CoD!), the nuances of international relations were evident, and the characters' personalities were subtly revealed. It was a lot smarter of a story than most people give it credit for.

Also, the explosions were not overdone at all, unlike every Michael Bay movie and every CoD game. And I recall just ONE slow-motion event (the hotel crumbling). CoD has multiple, which are extremely unrealistic and unnecessary (the drive-by shootings for example).

Also, if you think only Crysis and Battlefield look better than CoD - you need to play a lot more games. I'd say every other shooter out there looks leagues better than CoD (SS3 is just one of plethora examples). CoD looks very, very bad, and it's blatantly apparent. Lots of people (especially PC gamers) notice this.

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Default 02-21-2012, 09:45 | posts: 3,056 | Location: Germany

Every time a new CoD hits the surface some people, usually Battlefield fans, start talking trash. The series always had its "specific" elements, things that defined the series and made it distinguishable from others.
CoD never, since the first part, had the "best" graphics (compared to other titles the same age), it never had the deepest strategies, the longest singleplayer, the largest multiplayer maps. Never.
There's no reason to ask for Crysis graphics, BIA strategy or GTA sized maps. They won't come. And even though it has all these shortcomings, people seem to love to play the game and buy it in hordes. So many other titles tried to copy it and usually failed miserably.
I don't like playing the sp campaign on anything but the hardest difficulty as it feels like a different game. Too fast, you can run around like a super hero and it'll be over really soon. To me, it's fun and challenging though once you play it on Veteran. It also takes much longer to complete, especially if you try to take all hidden "secrets" and achievements with you the first time. As it slows down the whole game, the small yet effective graphics tweaks come to play and deliver a nice experience. The same goes for the multiplayer as I only play the rather slow hardcore mode and prefer the larger, more detailled maps and objective-based game modes. I can't stand the super fast-paced, headless run-and-spray-around no-objective game types either, especially if they're being played on some tiny shoe box-sized map like Nuketown, Shipment or almost all MW3 maps... (MW3's maps are so small they should've stitched 3-4 together to get regular sized ones).

If you liked BF3's sp, great for you, to me it looked like another bad copy/paste job like they tried to pull before with BC2 and MoH. BC2 had a sense of humor, MoH had beards, BF3 had hyped marketing. Wow.
The sp campaign had the bad, never-ending waves of respawning enemies CoD 2 had. Even the highest difficulty setting was fairly easy and the whole campaign lasted maybe 5 hours. Maybe I would've felt better about it if they hadn't marketed it that heavily, hadn't shown all kinds of missions and settings numerous times before the launch of the game. Just like a bad movie trailer all the great scenes had been shown before the release.

PS: I played SS3 and while I think it was ok, it's much too cartoony and fast for me to notice the graphics in detail. To me that's just a humorous game, just like DNF, so I wouldn't want to include it in that list. Homefront, Red Orchestra 2 or Rage do also have their "moments". In my opinion, only Crysis and Battlefield have a better package of graphics and sound though.

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Default 02-21-2012, 09:52 | posts: 23,250 | Location: Hoek van Holland, Netherlands

Good, IMO Black Ops had a nice story compaired to the other COD's released in the last years.
I dont give anything about the multiplayer (since its basicly been the same for years), its single player all the way for me, so hopefully this will be just as good as the first one.
   
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I play BF3 MP & Coop and CoD SP stories. I get the best of everything.
   
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Default 02-22-2012, 08:22 | posts: 359 | Location: Norway

I understand that gameplay beats graphics... but the COD developers does not have ANY excuse not to update the damn engine, or create a new one.. its not aging well..

they are 3 damn developers now..they CAN make a new engine..
   
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Default 02-22-2012, 08:35 | posts: 1,668 | Location: Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A.

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Every time a new CoD hits the surface some people, usually Battlefield fans, start talking trash. The series always had its "specific" elements, things that defined the series and made it distinguishable from others.
CoD never, since the first part, had the "best" graphics (compared to other titles the same age), it never had the deepest strategies, the longest singleplayer, the largest multiplayer maps. Never.
There's no reason to ask for Crysis graphics, BIA strategy or GTA sized maps. They won't come. And even though it has all these shortcomings, people seem to love to play the game and buy it in hordes. So many other titles tried to copy it and usually failed miserably.
I don't like playing the sp campaign on anything but the hardest difficulty as it feels like a different game. Too fast, you can run around like a super hero and it'll be over really soon. To me, it's fun and challenging though once you play it on Veteran. It also takes much longer to complete, especially if you try to take all hidden "secrets" and achievements with you the first time. As it slows down the whole game, the small yet effective graphics tweaks come to play and deliver a nice experience. The same goes for the multiplayer as I only play the rather slow hardcore mode and prefer the larger, more detailled maps and objective-based game modes. I can't stand the super fast-paced, headless run-and-spray-around no-objective game types either, especially if they're being played on some tiny shoe box-sized map like Nuketown, Shipment or almost all MW3 maps... (MW3's maps are so small they should've stitched 3-4 together to get regular sized ones).

If you liked BF3's sp, great for you, to me it looked like another bad copy/paste job like they tried to pull before with BC2 and MoH. BC2 had a sense of humor, MoH had beards, BF3 had hyped marketing. Wow.
The sp campaign had the bad, never-ending waves of respawning enemies CoD 2 had. Even the highest difficulty setting was fairly easy and the whole campaign lasted maybe 5 hours. Maybe I would've felt better about it if they hadn't marketed it that heavily, hadn't shown all kinds of missions and settings numerous times before the launch of the game. Just like a bad movie trailer all the great scenes had been shown before the release.

PS: I played SS3 and while I think it was ok, it's much too cartoony and fast for me to notice the graphics in detail. To me that's just a humorous game, just like DNF, so I wouldn't want to include it in that list. Homefront, Red Orchestra 2 or Rage do also have their "moments". In my opinion, only Crysis and Battlefield have a better package of graphics and sound though.

I can respect that, to an extent. Although I personally don't see how anyone could dislike the humorous stories of BC/BC2.

And by the way, I totally agree about the endless enemies in BF3's campaign. That bugged me. But I still enjoyed it immensely (more the story than the way it was presented - in the end the SP was just a technology showcase and tutorial for noobs).

Although your last point I must disagree with - RO2 , Homefront, and Rage look considerably better than any CoD game, without question. In fact I have a hard time thinking of modern games with any shooter element which look worse than CoD. Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Dead Space/Dead Space 2, Mass Effect/Mass Effect 2, Just Cause 2, are just a few off the top of my head which put CoD to shame in the graphics/sound department (and IMO, every department).

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Default 03-02-2012, 08:36 | posts: 841 | Location: lebanon-middle east

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Black Ops has considerably better visuals, aka graphics, than MW2 or MW3. Try maxing out Black Ops once, use SuperSampling AA, I looks very nice.

It has better maps, textures, and sound as well.

Lets face it the only good MW was CoD4 MW1.

For a lot of people, especially on PC, Black Ops was the best since MW1.
black ops had better graphics and needed more requirements because it has vegetation bending, vegetation wind, and better textures.
   
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ditch the stupid ass kill streaks and make larger maps and i just might buy it, but they won't so ....
   
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Default 04-26-2012, 13:23 | posts: 3,056 | Location: Germany

Many maps in BO were definitely larg enough (even the smallest ones weren't smaller than those in MW3) and killstreaks, well... I'm fine as long as you can play without them (or don't have to care for them due to valid countermeasures).
A future setting doesn't sound very tasty though. "Cold War" should really have enough content for several games (if they wanted to do that).
   
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Just give me an 'effin CoD Zombies please
   
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Imo treyarch makes better mp maps then IW. Don't rlly like the mw3 maps.

Im really curious about the graphics and engine of BO2 and if they implement dx11.
   
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Default 04-27-2012, 06:01 | posts: 4,392 | Location: Kansas, USA

Treyarch make better CoD games.
World at War was much, much better then CoD4 or MW2... both visually, gameplay and story wise.
Though most overlooked it because "blah, blah another WW2 shooter blah, blah" and dry humped CoD4 because it was different.

Until Black Ops came out I felt WaW was the best entry in the series since CoD:United Offensive.
But, Blacks Ops delivered in a way no other CoD games had. It had a story, a very decent and well told story that actually needed it's characters in order to progress. It wasn't a blind, mish mash of set piece, scripted event moments and endless waves of enemy spawns.

It was a story that flowed forward with the player and made excellent use of it's setting, time frame and characters.
Yes it used some CoD staple traits... but it didn't overuse them like MW2 and 3 did.

As someone who thinks BF3 was awful, the CoD series needs to die... and found Bad Company 2 to be a bit of a letdown when compared to the first Bad Company... I will say I really, really liked Black Ops.
And would like to see Treyarch get the chance to continue this story, or style of story telling with another game. And give them more freedom to break even further away from the "standard" CoD gameplay formula.
   
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