AMD Catalyst (Modified Build)

[The Mac]

ummm....use 12.4?

[szubster]

ok, totally understand and did that way.
But the statement in post is misleading.
I though that "magically" you have found a way to run them on older hardware.

[k1net1cs]

Originally Posted by szubster

But the statement in post is misleading.

True, that.
I don't have anything older than my 5770 so I wouldn't know if it really supports them.

DNA (Do Not Argue, another custom Catalyst set) seems to also have a problem supporting older cards using 12.7 Beta as a base.
AMD might've hard-coded the drivers to exclude older cards support, so any *.inf modifications won't be suffice.

By the way, don't try DNA sets if you guys are still feeling inconvenienced with TwL/genetix sets.
The easiest custom set to work with is Xtreme-G (remove the dashes), but personally I like TwL's tweaks better.

But, until AMD decided to release a newer driver that supports those older cards, I can't see how they can be supported via 'traditional' *.inf modding.
Maybe another 'Frankenlyst' like 5.10 is in order? =b

[TwL]

Well, I didn't add the old cards for 2 reasons: 1. I did not wanna leave new cards out of drivers and use my old modified inf files and 2. I did not add old
hardware to new drivers because I was not sure of unfunctional new features (which seems to be none existence), if I can get drivers working
properly then yes I will add the older cards to drivers this means I start to understand the new before it gets old.

I was working through the video section. I cannot get the new CCC to work properly and as long the applications goes through CCC they as some one
referred ""Magically"" works better when you got 40MB AMD bloat software running on background. Problem yet again is applying the settings. The CCC
on past 6 darn drivers from AMD none apply the settings correctly that goes to the MPEG issue as well drivers themself does work as long it's a true
desktop driver and not these laptop mixups on video de-/encoding. What goes to 3D performance well the last decent driver was 8.980.0.0000 or
B139213 and even that is broken a bit, so, can't build an a decent modified driver at it by any means it seems and by the time I would get through it's
issues the new drivers from AMD would be faster like the beta's, atm, are and the currently WHQL ones are pretty damn restricted to anything.

So, there's current update for where I am. Testing takes incredible much time and seems I just cannot come up with similar solution I had at 5.10
older drivers we had before the cut on working with drivers in this topic.

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As for DNA drivers well, if those fellows can muster some drivers heck take all advantage of them please. Since, heck atm I am 100% sure they
would beat my modifications clean up.

Hopefully, they have 12.7 betas modded with new stuff and "more clear" view on the new modules than I do, atm, as damn some of the new AMD driver
modules are one big soup using laptops as mixing spoon. After all the drivers there I believe are build a bit differently and actually modified code than I do
things around here.

[KuriaN]

Has Experimental Build v5.15 mobility support?

[lycanwrath]

Tried the Experimental build and it works great!
Had to lower my overclock a bit, but its very very nice

EDIT: The driver gives me sme flickering from time to time though..

[k1net1cs]

Originally Posted by KuriaN

Has Experimental Build v5.15 mobility support?

It has Mobility support, but I think HD 4xxx and older are not supported since it's using 12.6a as a base.

[CPC_RedDawn]

Downloading V5.15 Experimental Build now, will test it later when I get in from work.

Does it support HD7970 as I see on the first page that it says its for 2xxx - 6xxx cards. But I see other HD7970 owners using this driver too.

Also, what does it improve... frame rates? stability?

Its been a long while since I tried out a TwL driver. I used to test for you way back when I had my 4870x2 and I think you were still using 10.x driver builds.

Thanks, will report back after some testing Its great to be back helping out TwL

[stupidalex]

I saw on the post that build v5.15 support from hd 2xxx to 6xxx. I thought that it will support HD 5145, I guess not. The exp build v5.15's catalyst can't detect the hd 5145 video card. Also there wasn't a genetix install cmd file anywhere I could find in the v5.15 7zip that I downloaded !

[k1net1cs]

Originally Posted by stupidalex

I thought that it will support HD 5145, I guess not. The exp build v5.15's catalyst can't detect the hd 5145 video card.

HD 5145 is just a rebadged HD 4570, so it's not supported by the base driver 5.15 uses, which is 12.6a.
Not even an .inf modification would help since the support for HD 4xxx-based cards are stripped out from the driver files themselves.

[TwL]

UPDATE - 08.10.2012:

Got some good news, I finally found an crazy to booth coder to work with me and getting new equipment in currently (which takes week or two to deliver to
me) and maybe will be continuing this topic after all since I am starting to get some time now to actually work in piece and, if I can get the new tech to my
table to work with including getting scripts coded to some Visual C# wrap we might actually see some new tools for web as got 'few' new ideas.

Anything and everything I add however will remain open source including software clean up or downloadable txt file (if it happens to be that we have to
use some kind of DAT formation as suggested).

[DM789]

1. does this works for 7850 ?

2. is this driver for CF only or also works on single gpu ?

[vejn]

Please, can you release Win XP modified build ?

[TwL]

Originally Posted by DM789

1. does this works for 7850 ?

2. is this driver for CF only or also works on single gpu ?

I used to build separate builds for CF and single cards, but atm I suggest using official drivers or other mods as anything on first page are outdated.

Originally Posted by vejn

Please, can you release Win XP modified build ?

As I said before XP is dead system no matter how bad Windows 8 is people will still use NT6 core OSes and I believe this project should stay under NT6 only.
Optimization for DX9 is really hard to find for first(Although, have to admit I still need to find some with DX9 directed optimization never the less) and I
don't believe effort put to build XP driver would make a change for anyone it would end up building 2 years old mods to new for speed improvements and
failing for badly optimized new modules.

[shimyns]

Love your cleaner, dude. It always fixes my sh1t.

[lycanwrath]

When I tried the 12.6 experimental build I had idle clock bug on my HD6950 2GB, the clock would net go below 500MHz. I think that would happen with the Official 12.6 also, which means its the 12.6 itself thats no good

The performance was sweet though, hope to see a new build soon
I am actually using 12.9 for my card, no flicker or idle clock bug and I have decent performance.

[TwL]

Originally Posted by shimyns

Love your cleaner, dude. It always fixes my sh1t.

Should be pretty, ok. I use it still all the time I am so clad I turned it to detect what to remove instead of old style when I build it first and try to get everything 1 at the time.

Originally Posted by lycanwrath

When I tried the 12.6 experimental build I had idle clock bug on my HD6950 2GB, the clock would net go below 500MHz. I think that would happen with the Official 12.6 also, which means its the 12.6 itself thats no good

The performance was sweet though, hope to see a new build soon
I am actually using 12.9 for my card, no flicker or idle clock bug and I have decent performance.

To be totally honest I believe other mods on web would be much better than current build of mine. I bet the last 4 drivers versions out will be as every
year the best of the set and then we will see "improvement" to next year and yet again same cards don't work so fast with some new thing which is
totally useless anyway.

[vigo]

At the moment I am using Genetix build 4.23a.
I have ATI4890 on a x64 win7

What drivers do you advice me to use?

[TwL]

Originally Posted by vigo

At the moment I am using Genetix build 4.23a.
I have ATI4890 on a x64 win7

What drivers do you advice me to use?

That's a difficult one since you cannot use the drivers which were actually fixed by AMD or well there's no Device ID's on those which would work better, so, it's a bit between buggy and fast and mods, heh.

[useafo]

Greetings, I'm useafo, and I would like you to help me to solve this problem:

I'm currently doing some DIY eGPU project that enables a laptop to run desktop video card in order to be able to play games with higher framerates. I'm using Dell Inspiron 1501, it has ati radeon xpress 1100 integrated gpu, and the external video card is AMD Radeon HD 6790. When I install desktop driver and reboot my laptop, two error codes appear because of driver's installation:

1- Code 31 for AMD Radeon HD 6790.
2- Code 43 for ATI Radeon Xpress Series(1100).

Now my question is: Can you teach me how to modify INF files in order to unify these gpus annd make them work without any errors? 1+REP to one who give me a proper instructions that really works.

[TwL]

Originally Posted by useafo

Greetings, I'm useafo, and I would like you to help me to solve this problem:

I'm currently doing some DIY eGPU project that enables a laptop to run desktop video card in order to be able to play games with higher framerates. I'm using Dell Inspiron 1501, it has ati radeon xpress 1100 integrated gpu, and the external video card is AMD Radeon HD 6790. When I install desktop driver and reboot my laptop, two error codes appear because of driver's installation:

1- Code 31 for AMD Radeon HD 6790.
2- Code 43 for ATI Radeon Xpress Series(1100).

Now my question is: Can you teach me how to modify INF files in order to unify these gpus annd make them work without any errors? 1+REP to one who give me a proper instructions that really works.

Remove all the AMD device drivers and open up the device manager. You should have 2 Standard VGA Graphics Adapters. Take the properties of those adapters and look for 'Details' -> 'Hardware IDs'(drop down bar) copy both of the adapters top of the line to some notepad or something.

You basically wanna disable the 'ATI Radeon Xpress Series(1100)' and attach the display directly to the 'AMD Radeon HD 6790' and do (probably several) reboots to BIOS identify's the correct main GPU. Usually BIOS even on desktop boards forces the primary channel as main GPU which means you would not get picture from second channel GPU unless you would rip the primary GPU out and force it 1 time to secondary GPU with display and then re-attach the main GPU. Now this BIOS issue is probably the main issue you're having also and it's not possible to get rid of the 'ATI Radeon Xpress Series(1100)' which makes this a bit more difficult might even need some BIOS modifications to do it. Also, on laptops (I don't have your hardware so can't check this), but some of them forcefully patches by bios the ID's to new devices no matter how new/unknown it is.

Now as for the 'Hardware IDs' and INF's, basically you would simply open correct arch. Windows INF file for correct windows version and look for your "HD 6790" at the inf duplicate that line and add the Hardware ID you copied from the device manager to that new line and then forcefully install it through device manager to that device ignoring the signing / hell might as well turn bcdedit testsigning on for boot to make it go easier or F8 to not check driver signing at windows start, however, even when you are probably able to force the driver in the machine you are still dealing with several issues here's few:

* BIOS hardware to understand what GPU it uses as main GPU for display.
* Bandwidth of your laptop vs. new graphics. (your laptop won't have even a fragment of bandwidth what new AMD GPU will need meaning buffering data from HD -> Memory -> CPU -> GPU will be extremely slow, however, while data would resident at GPU memory it would be damn fast as long it doesn't swap / buffer back to system main memory (which would be advicable to be turned to something like Kingston HyperX, if attempting to run like super laptop).

Those are the main issues you will be facing in that project and as for the note this would be easiest done with Intel Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge processor families with gpu with few hacks.

[DM789]

so your next driver is gonna be only for win 8 ?

if its true, then i'm sad, cos it is obvious that win 7 is superior than win 8,

and even MS tried to relaunch win 8 and blame OEM because of weak sales.

[TwL]

Actually, I was thinking of posting here and I did post here stats of DX9,11,OGL,OCL and PCIe 3.0 statistics, but since my current thinking of
AMD devels / marketing work done has absolutely nothing to do with constructive criticism I'll just gonna skip it (Basically what AMD drivers has
been blabbering about last 2 years of all the unused features to actual reality numbers from their drivers where some of the 2009-2011 drivers
were faster drivers than their current performance drivers it just gets a bit hilarious).

However, I will raise my thumbs up for AMD staff to finally get out "some sort of" driver cleaning utility after the random application naming scheme you've
been having it's about time you db it all and clean the stuff. Although, seems the utility has quite a bit work still to be done, but as I've also build similar
toon I know it's a lot of stuff in right manner to actually work correctly, heh.

Originally Posted by DM789

so your next driver is gonna be only for win 8 ?

Nah, Windows 8 is a system we pass by clean-up. There's absolutely not a single reason in this planet for a human being to start up Windows 8
Operating system ever(Now, don't get me wrong I like my phone just don't like it to be my desktop and sure as hell wouldn't recommend it to anyone
even if they would love their phone ;P), even its core updates are not faster than Windows 7 which general might make a person try to clean/hack down
Microsoft mess to be able to get functional operating system.

It is more likely that, if I decide to make some change I would be building Server System GPU/CPU clean processing drivers beside the desktop gaming
drivers maybe even include some kinda linux variant.



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As for the driver:

My time is still very very limited, can't concentrate on testing almost at all, but I did run over month of statistics, so, I now have the full database of
data of each driver since 2008 again covered. So, it might be possible that I get back to it.

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Thanks for the forum admins for dropping the topic
from tagged/highlighted ones as for long time I simply haven't / couldn't of kept up on this topic. Even still I am unable to arrange time which this topic would require.