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Default 10-17-2010, 22:14 | posts: 93

He didn't sound satirical to me.
   
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Default 10-18-2010, 01:05 | posts: 3,478 | Location: USA

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Every time you answering to me you seem satirical, but usb polling rate is the culprit for low fps in F.E.A.R. Hardware trademarks have no matters to it.
I'm not being sarcastic .... lol. I literally have a Rock Band mic plugged in, I'm a cheap bastard.
   
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Default 10-18-2010, 02:55 | posts: 623 | Location: Quebec, Canada

Ok, sorry then, I forgot to take my pills.

... they were so bad with me at the school!

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Default 10-18-2010, 13:24 | posts: 8 | Location: Portugal

I am using the TwL 3.49 - 10.5 based drivers on my card.

What app profile is recommended for me to use? The latest?
   
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Default 10-18-2010, 16:15 | posts: 381 | Location: Italy-Bari

Twl have you discovered why drivers from 10.6 till 10.9a have ctd in bad company 2?
i tried your drivers and 10.10 beta and seems more stable but not totally
   
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Default 10-18-2010, 16:22 | posts: 227 | Location: Orygun

@xhinxhan I'd use the latest. There were a few versions that TwL mentioned only to use specific CAPS but I believe those were long after 3.49. Just make sure you read the info specific to the drivers you are using.
   
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Default 10-18-2010, 17:09 | posts: 1,536 | Location: AUSTRALIA

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Twl have you discovered why drivers from 10.6 till 10.9a have ctd in bad company 2?
i tried your drivers and 10.10 beta and seems more stable but not totally
Have you tried resetting your graphics settings for BFBC2 after updating your graphics driver? Sometimes some games need the settings reset to be compatible with the new driver.

There may have been other issues, until someone posts with the answer (or I remember what caused the CTD with some of ATI's driver versions), try checking the first page of this thread and reading the notes TwL posted there. Also try the tip TwL posted there about backing up and removing the DirectX files in BFBC2 folder, so that BFBC2 uses the latest files installed by the recent DirectX update instead of the old ones in the BFBC2 folder. You may want to try resetting Catalyst Control Centre 3D settings then adjusting them again once the game is running smoothly.

You can find the below info from TwL's comments on the first page of this thread, good to check the first couple of posts regularly for tips and links regarding games, drivers and patches that TwL has kindly provided for everyone.

From page 1 - New Microsoft DirectX patches only work with driver versions starting from v3.95 and v1.08HD4, then also the newer drivers released from then onwards.

TwL mobility supported 3.95 BFBC2 stability patch from archived drivers page 1 of this thread. http://www.mediafire.com/?v1vd971b6kr6apm

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Default 10-18-2010, 18:58 | posts: 552 | Location: Ecuador

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I am using the TwL 3.49 - 10.5 based drivers on my card.

What app profile is recommended for me to use? The latest?
i have the same version, should i instal app profile 10.09a?

YES?

NO?

keep it simple peps ty.
   
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Default 10-18-2010, 20:55 | posts: 93

Yes.
   
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Default 10-18-2010, 21:55 | posts: 1,828 | Location: Finland

Medal of Honor:
It's rather funny 'Medal of Honor' title yet again and ATI profiling. TI is using lowest possible texture LOD through entire game. Yet, again thanks for the profiling ATI/AMD.. +1.. lol

Only reason we see screw up on ATI cards is because ATI profiling doesn't recognize the game.exe. If you play this please yet again make sure you start it at 1920x1080 as otherwise none of the 'real' effects are applied correctly.

-edit-

Have to edit a bit.. Seems if you force the CCC mode on game it'll apply, but otherwise it'll just work the lowest settings possible.

Profiling:
CrossFireX people should always use the latest profiling for single cards that's just sad as above issue. The profiling is not updated unless driver is updated
and only way to update 10.9a profiling for single cards is to install it and overwrite it to system32, uninstall profiling and reboot the box. I seriously
would say this is just extremely sad situation we are at.

As for new:
Sorry haven't finished testing on new sets, but I will update the setups on some point when I get something new up.

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Default 10-19-2010, 08:01 | posts: 119 | Location: Mumbai

@ TwL

Hey mate ,

I am on 4.24 build atm ( Catalyst 10.8 ) and yesterday i installed the latest Catalyst 10.9 Southbridge drivers . Just wanted to ask that is it ok from a stability point of view ?
havin 10.8 gfx drivers and 10.9 for the SB ?
Let me know

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Default 10-19-2010, 12:07 | posts: 1,828 | Location: Finland

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@ TwL

Hey mate ,

I am on 4.24 build atm ( Catalyst 10.8 ) and yesterday i installed the latest Catalyst 10.9 Southbridge drivers . Just wanted to ask that is it ok from a stability point of view ?
havin 10.8 gfx drivers and 10.9 for the SB ?
Let me know

Thanks
It doesn't matter 1 cent point of SB and more specifically AMD USB/NorthBridge drivers is that before you install any display driver the
system core drivers are good in the system as then the display driver gets better stability from begin with how it can utilize system RAM and CPU<-NB->GPU.

So, always use the newest drivers for the 'system' what you can find, if updating system drivers update them before display driver is installed. O and
this same goes to some of the sound cards depending on driver load order of system Sound Card drivers should always come first, but well this is an minor detail.

@commonly

New Drivers:
I will continue on Wednesday tomorrow with HD3650 and HD5850(the usual) testing and asap add new set based up to newer DX OGL etc etc. CCC 10.8
stays as core 10.10b is worthless in a sense it's not the driver I was looking for before or well it does not do job stable against few other builds I was
hoping to get driver to.

Other stuff regarding cooling of your unit:
I also took a look on HD5850 cooling here I imaging this would go to any HD58xx closed box card there is (Reference), but by simply for me to take the
blastic cover out and attaching the metal parts of the cards & adding 120mm regular Zalman FAN to the card noise went of course down, but hell card runs
at 60-70c absolute maximum. I posted picture in here for some people about NVIDIA 9800GTX setup of mine which doesn't hve FAN at all and it's like
47-50c 24/7. Now I wanted to see how would HD5850 act on this same condition exception that I added on top of it an 120mm fan. This just makes
me wonder of HD5970 (even the QuadFireX people). They say that the 'heat dispatch' is VERY high. Now I can understand this while using the reference
cooling blasting crap, but just for fun I'd try without it.

Here's couple pictures I took this costs less than 5 Euros to build and I just took this to test scenario. The thermal paste I used was Zalman ZM-STG1
(Which is the worst scenario nightmare there is cheap and useless, but had few extra bottles of it from somewhere) to GPU patches on memory/VRM are the stock.

Test Setup:


Temperatures (IDLE Only, just general idea of course gaming is this setup is around 70-80c with 99% LOAD as usual):


Sorry, of quality of the pictures, but I just wanted to add up some idea what I am speaking of and how crappy setup I am referring to. Considering 5000
RPM ATI/AMD cooler against 5 Euros 120mm 1800 RPM Zalman fan noise level is dropped to nothing and the card stays cool even better than on this 5000 RPM fan.

I'm planning to add tomorrow full copper cooling on the unit, but just wanted to test an cheap alternate solution to water or air.

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Default 10-19-2010, 13:01 | posts: 52 | Location: Avalon

Will this mean the Stock Heatsink is actually freaking awesome?
Why they didn't include a bigger fan or stronger fan to begin with? Sad.
   
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Default 10-19-2010, 13:48 | posts: 1,828 | Location: Finland

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Will this mean the Stock Heatsink is actually freaking awesome?
Why they didn't include a bigger fan or stronger fan to begin with? Sad.
Why should I use bigger fans? and yeah, the stock heat sink is pretty OK, if you think a bit further I never said stock heat sink in itself had any issue. My
point was how much the blastic crap alone is keeping heat inside and how little effort/change on the setup you can reduce noise to none existing and still keep
very cool hardware. If you consider 99% of people here uses stock set just because 3rd party solutions costs more and because it just looks better than
opened up. I'd say my advice above is very damn valid as for people to consider.

It doesn't mean everyone has an alternate solutions on hands like you have 'OC' card I assume you went for alternative cooling right away and not all of
us even understand how to consider the idea of an altering the bought product.

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Fans and zip ties make the world go round!
   
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Default 10-19-2010, 15:32 | posts: 36

@TwL
what do you have cooling the VRMs? For me thats the problem area, because with the reference fan it doesn't really get any airflow.

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Default 10-19-2010, 17:15 | posts: 3,070 | Location: Denmark

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I'm planning to add tomorrow full copper cooling on the unit, but just wanted to test an cheap alternate solution to water or air.
With an EK waterblock my card is 21C idle and 33C at full load.
I need another rad now, since the CPU temp went a tiny bit up.
   
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Default 10-19-2010, 17:44 | posts: 11

This seems to be the right choice for 5850 cooling (wanna buy one myself, but can't even get them here in Croatia, and international orders with taxes and custom clearance are just to much):
http://www.zalman.com/ENG/product/Pr...ad.asp?idx=385

It has included a cooler that fits the VRM's on reference design boards.

For "just" VRM cooling in combination with other GPU coolers people say this is a very good solution:
http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_pa...cooler_r5.html
   
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Default 10-19-2010, 17:54 | posts: 28

hey twl im having some scale problems with the new drivers, anytime i boot the pc i need to put the scaling option right i dont know why but it dont save the profile
   
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Default 10-19-2010, 18:35 | posts: 1,828 | Location: Finland

@offtopic ?

Quote:
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@TwL
what do you have cooling the VRMs? For me thats the problem area, because with the reference fan it doesn't really get any airflow.
I actually will be using Arctic Cooling MX-4 (GPU) + CoolingLiquid Pro Liquid Metal Badge (on VRM and memory) with Zalman cooler pushing and drawing the air through
2 200mm fans to middle of the box. with help of couple 120mm fans.

-edit-

o fail to mention.. the VRM is gonna be easy to install with any thermal paste in general on these cards, but you should worry on memory as it has like 1mm
hole below heat sink(exactly like NVIDIA cards) unless of course using 3rd party solutions which has their own cooling block to add to each memory block.

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With an EK waterblock my card is 21C idle and 33C at full load.
I need another rad now, since the CPU temp went a tiny bit up.
Damn, that's cool.. But I actually want an copper cooler on air. I have here water cooling units, but I am not willing to use them. I do believe in clean closed
water cooling solutions like Corsair H50/70, but I will not go to water cooling other than closed solutions.

Beside it would not be fair to build against below normal conditions.

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This seems to be the right choice for 5850 cooling (wanna buy one myself, but can't even get them here in Croatia, and international orders with taxes and custom clearance are just to much):
http://www.zalman.com/ENG/product/Pr...ad.asp?idx=385

It has included a cooler that fits the VRM's on reference design boards.

For "just" VRM cooling in combination with other GPU coolers people say this is a very good solution:
http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_pa...cooler_r5.html
Actually you probably would want to have VF1000 it's none closed clean copper with very very tight area of close comparing to VF3000 series I was
considering these dual fan monsters, but they are too noisy and the metal on top of the VF3000 blocks will on some point start to keep it's own noise.

as for thermalright well I ain't big fan of this company bought some of their CPU coolers and have 1 of their GPU coolers and 1 after another they suck in every sense of the word. ;P

@On Topic

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hey twl im having some scale problems with the new drivers, anytime i boot the pc i need to put the scaling option right i dont know why but it dont save the profile
This would be pretty common issue. Only drivers you could use to fix this are the v10.7 series of drivers or 10.9a. and only builds by me are v3.95(10.7a baseline) and v4.20 (10.9a baseline).

I will probably be building another set to fix the issue although there is an 3rd party reg fix or this, but still I think the 10.7a and 10.8 are twice as fast as baseline driver than anything new out of AMD/ATI and, if there's gonna be an patch unless AMD/ATI driver team will patch the 10.7a this year as preview or 10.10 WHQL I have nothing to work with unless I want clean profiling and application updates only.

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Default 10-19-2010, 19:20 | posts: 7 | Location: Russia

Hi, TwL. you yet didn't lead operation on creation of a patch for switch-off of check by drivers, presence original ATI'adapter.
   
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Default 10-19-2010, 22:55 | posts: 3,478 | Location: USA

I'm getting FPS in the 20s in Fallout: New Vegas. Going to switch over to main drivers until that gets fixed, no offense.

Nm, appears to be a common glitch.... sigh.

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Default 10-19-2010, 23:23 | posts: 1,828 | Location: Finland

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Hi, TwL. you yet didn't lead operation on creation of a patch for switch-off of check by drivers, presence original ATI'adapter.
Actually, I did look at the batch style to drivers, but I haven't been able to build such hack to the current drivers. Problem is probably me being too stupid
to build such, but I will try it later. Why didn't the author add it straight up I wonder. Perhaps same multiple checks as in turning these HD5 cards to FireGL
etc, which is present on new drivers. Which will not allow the CCC again to be installed, if only 1 section of driver is patched.

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I'm getting FPS in the 20s in Fallout: New Vegas. Going to switch over to main drivers until that gets fixed, no offense.

Nm, appears to be a common glitch.... sigh.

Anything we see out, atm, 'new' is gonna be common glitch in a sense there's some odd policy since 10.2 on ATI/AMD driver team that what ain't on logs
ain't gonna work. Now, as someone called my effort to cheap cooling solution 'sad' I'd say this is even worst.

What makes this even absolutely horrid situation is the idea that going back to drivers which actually still did work to every game even new are again so
old that they are either incompatible or too slow to use with new games, but hell the idea of using such drivers would defeat any concept of error on any new game again.

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Default 10-20-2010, 04:41 | posts: 93

TwL,

I think you misunderstood the guy because English doesn't appear to be his first language.

You said that you removed the plastic from your card and added only an inexpensive fan, which greatly improved performance.

He said "Will this mean the Stock Heatsink is actually freaking awesome?
Why they didn't include a bigger fan or stronger fan to begin with? Sad."

What I think he's saying is that, 1) the stock heatsink must be great to begin with (since you only added a fan and nothing else), and so he wonders 2) why ATI doesn't just use better fans on their cards to begin with. And it's 3) sad that they don't.

That's the way I read it.

Much respect,

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Thumbs up 10-20-2010, 16:02 | posts: 18 | Location: France

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Yeah, this is a 'good' setup, but there's down side. You cannot install ATI only you have to have Intel too which is just lame. Although this will not
affect gaming in performance sense specifically if you drop it on HDMI and HD 1920x1080.

The driver I added should work pretty well to consider that all of the crap they have for public are drawing incorrectly in these boxes. So, at least that
plus a minor processing tweak there. Ideally I received best results while using 10.7a and 10.8 with most stable scenario playing GRID and Dirt 2, but
this patch adds a notch to that however users will be forced to launch the games at either 720p or 1080p since that is the only way you can be sure
that driver actually hardware accelerates correctly or ofcourse disabling DXVA acceleration is another style, but it's not that good way to go.



As soon I know where they are from I am having day break, atm, since I know there's gonna be more than 1 package even while this might be the missing part from 10.9 series (which I haven't tested).

I was referring this missing part that ATI might release preview driver against it soon which this new beta might be, but cannot and will not check that as for today.


@ TwL :
dual GFX is a good thing, but there's no mobility driver from ATI we can use, only MSI's ones

the official ATI/AMD ones doesn't work, and it's clearly written at the DL page too.
(i saw that after tried many times to install officials without success)

by chance the one from MSI seems not so old (i think) : v 8.733


[The real dream for our configs would be modded drivers each month that could be in fact installed & working on dual GFX laptops]


i didn't tested so much after applying the "mobility patch", but on Borderlands & SC2 there's no problem at all (no crash, quite fast but i didn't benchmarked, what particular point should we look at ?).

by the way my laptop res. is 1366x768 (not sure if ATI thinks it's "HD" and works as it should)


thx again for the improved drivers & the time you work on them !


- EDIT -
maybe you should separate your "desktop drivers" thread and "mobility drivers" thread for the future if you develop both of them ?

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