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Default Crate Entertainment's - Grim Dawn - 01-20-2010, 20:25 | posts: 4,246 | Location: San Antonio

Are you a Diablo or Titan Quest fan? Did you enjoy playing Torchlight, Hellgate London, etc? Well I have GREAT news for you! Crate Entertainment has been hard at work on their newest action RPG Grim Dawn, released exclusively for the PC! "Who is Crate Entertainment?" you might ask. Well, here's a little background information:

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Crate Entertainment is an independent development studio founded by the former design and art leads of Iron Lore Entertainment. Our mission is to continue developing original titles that feature deep, addictive gameplay and high production values.

Crate has acquired the rights to use Iron Lore's technology on all future projects; the same engine and toolset used to create Titan Quest. Crate is currently developing a new action-RPG but is still seeking additional funding to complete the project. This new game is set in a dark fictional world and will carry forward successful gameplay elements from Titan Quest while introducing many improvements and innovations.

Crate has also acquired the rights to two other original properties that were being developed at Iron Lore before the studio closed.

For more information about Crate Entertainment or for business inquiries, please contact us at: business@crateentertainment.com.
And now Let me shed a little more light on this exciting new game.

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Introduction

Grim Dawn is an action role-playing game intended for digital distribution on the PC. It is being developed by veterans of Iron Lore entertainment, the makers of Titan Quest. Grim Dawn is being built with Crate's own improved version of the Iron Lore engine and toolset; the same technology used to create Titan Quest. As a spiritual successor, Grim Dawn will attempt to better perfect the magical formula of exploration, character advancement, and loot collection pioneered by Diablo.

Players will be thrust into the dark, war-torn world of Cairn where a once proud empire has been brought to ruin and the human race driven to the edge of extinction. Cairn has become ground zero of an eternal war between two otherworldly powers, one seeking to use human bodies as a resource, the other intent upon destroying the human race before that can happen. This cataclysmic war has not only decimated human civilization but is warping the very fabric of reality and, in its wake, giving life to new horrors.

For humankind it is the dawn of a grim new age where iron has replaced gold as currency and the importance of salt as a weapon makes it far too valuable to waste on food. Small enclaves of human survivors exist scattered throughout the world, holed up in hidden refuges. These humans have quietly watched the warring invaders destroy one another and have become wise to the strengths and vulnerabilities of their otherworldly foes. A few survivors have begun to exhibit strange new abilities after surviving possession or exposure to the warp. These unnatural powers are feared by some but give many new hope of launching a resistance to fight the "outsiders" and reclaim what's left of their world.





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Combine any of five distinct skill classes each with multiple skill trees in which to specialize. Advance your class mastery up to 75 levels to unlock dozens of powerful skills and synergistic modifiers. New classes will be periodically released through downloadable content.

Gameplay systems design for 200 levels of character progression, equipment, and enemies to fight makes for ridiculous amounts of replay value.

Connect with old friends or make new allies in glorious multiplayer. Specially balanced multiplayer encounters will put your teamwork to the ultimate challenge.

Collect blueprints that allow you to combine salvaged components into unique crafted items and then, later, use those basic crafted items with higher-tiered recipes to complete items of unprecedented badassness.

Camera rotation enhances the three-dimensionality of the world and gameplay while levels are still designed so that players are not forced to rotate the camera.

Refined loot system drops less junk items and ensures more consistent rewards from hero and boss monsters.

Satisfying enemy damage and death effects with an option to enable blood and gore.

The ability to spend money to reclaim skill and attribute points alleviates the fear and frustration of having to make early, uninformed decisions that could permanently nerf a character.

More features are in the works and will be announced as Grim Dawn nears release.
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http://www.grimdawn.com

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Default 01-20-2010, 20:42 | posts: 1,560 | Location: US

Oh my! I am so happy to see the Iron Lore team back up and running. I was extremely frustrated when I heard they went under after releasing their first, and only game; Titan Quest. It was a great game, and still has a solid community today. They just never got a chance it seemed, so this is great news, thanks for the info.
   
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Default 01-20-2010, 21:04 | posts: 9,806 | Location: Sweden

Great, I liked Titan Quest and it's expansion (Replayed them via Steam with a unofficial patch a few months ago.) so this is very good news.
   
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Default 01-20-2010, 21:14 | posts: 1,327 | Location: On a hill.

Sweet! I loved Iron Lore's Titan Quest, I am psyched!
   
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Default 01-20-2010, 23:04 | posts: 4,246 | Location: San Antonio

For me, Titan Quest was one of the most underrated games of this past decade. Iron Lore simply delivered a Fantastic game with Titan Quest and Titan Quest: Immortal Throne, and I'm more than confident the team will deliver yet again.

Support Crate Entertainment!

Unlike Iron Lore was with TQ, Crate Entertainment is NOT privately funded or supported from a big name publisher, distributor, or organization. They have simply started from their own pocketbooks and budget. For those of you that enjoyed Titan Quest and appreciated what Iron Lore created as much as me, please do your part in showing support for this great team of devs. They now have an early Pre-Order setup so that you can reserve your copy of the game and show how much you support their new project and game Grim Dawn.

http://www.grimdawn.com/contribute.php
   
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Default 01-20-2010, 23:47 | posts: 942 | Location: Guildford, Surrey, UK

Titan Quest had pretty standard Diablo-clone gameplay and was fun for a little while with friends over LAN.

Part of what made Diablo II great was Battle.net. Titan Quest failed because it didn't have a solid multiplayer component. Grim Dawn will fail twice as hard because it will be competing with Diablo III.
   
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Default 01-20-2010, 23:52 | posts: 9,449 | Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha

I loved Titan Quest and its expansion. I think i actually might pre-order the game to support them.
   
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Default 01-21-2010, 04:12 | posts: 4,246 | Location: San Antonio

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Titan Quest had pretty standard Diablo-clone gameplay and was fun for a little while with friends over LAN.

Part of what made Diablo II great was Battle.net. Titan Quest failed because it didn't have a solid multiplayer component. Grim Dawn will fail twice as hard because it will be competing with Diablo III.
How can you say that it will be competing with Diablo III? Diablo III may be competing with Grim Dawn II at Blizzard's current rate. Diablo III is still a VERY long time from release.

   
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Default 01-21-2010, 04:24 | posts: 7,439 | Location: Canada, Quebec

OMG AWESOME! I can't count how many times I completed TQ and how many chars I made. Definetely my best 2nd Hack&Slash after D2.
   
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Default 01-21-2010, 05:26 | posts: 6,720 | Location: Portland, Oregon

Torchlight was pretty fun, but only singleplayer. DiabloIII you can just forget about. Ill be sure to watch out for this one.
   
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there's room for more than one diablo style game every other year.
   
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Default 01-21-2010, 09:17 | posts: 4,489 | Location: Romania

This could be quite good, it depends on when they want to release it though but then again other than D3 I see no competition in hack and slash RPGs and the release for that one is 2011 at best.
   
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How can you say that it will be competing with Diablo III? Diablo III may be competing with Grim Dawn II at Blizzard's current rate. Diablo III is still a VERY long time from release.
I wouldn't expect Grim Dawn anytime soon either unless they rush it out, in which case it will suck. They don't even have a screenshot up on their site and this is the first I've even heard of it.

As Diablo III gets nearer to release (supposed to be 2011), the media hype and advertising train will ramp up. Nobody will even know about Grim Dawn.

Even if it beats Diablo III out the door and has decent multiplayer, the game will die the day D3 is released. So yeah I'd say it does compete with Diablo.
   
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Default 01-22-2010, 21:57 | posts: 4,246 | Location: San Antonio

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I wouldn't expect Grim Dawn anytime soon either unless they rush it out, in which case it will suck. They don't even have a screenshot up on their site and this is the first I've even heard of it.

As Diablo III gets nearer to release (supposed to be 2011), the media hype and advertising train will ramp up. Nobody will even know about Grim Dawn.

Even if it beats Diablo III out the door and has decent multiplayer, the game will die the day D3 is released. So yeah I'd say it does compete with Diablo.
Diablo III will not be 2011. Well, maybe christmas 2011. At the current rate, we will be LUCKY to see Starcraft 2 this year. Blizzard is a slow moving, yet intelligent giant. They won't release Diablo III anywhere NEAR the release time frame of Starcraft. They don't want the titles to compete with each other and they know to maximize the attention they will hype up both titles at seperate time frames.

Beyond Diablo III, Grim Dawn has its own fan base already. Everyone that loved Titan Quest and what Iron Lore created will support Crate Entertainment and Grim Dawn. They actively participate and listen to the community and that goes a long way. Something Blizzard would never do.
   
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Diablo III will not be 2011. Well, maybe christmas 2011. At the current rate, we will be LUCKY to see Starcraft 2 this year. Blizzard is a slow moving, yet intelligent giant. They won't release Diablo III anywhere NEAR the release time frame of Starcraft. They don't want the titles to compete with each other and they know to maximize the attention they will hype up both titles at seperate time frames.

Beyond Diablo III, Grim Dawn has its own fan base already. Everyone that loved Titan Quest and what Iron Lore created will support Crate Entertainment and Grim Dawn. They actively participate and listen to the community and that goes a long way. Something Blizzard would never do.
It is true. I suspect that Blizzard will release Star Craft 2 first and then release Diablo III. And when i mean release Star Craft 2 i mean all 3 parts of it and then we will probably see Diablo III. Considering this is Blizzard we are talking about it is very possible that it might happen.
   
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Diablo III will not be 2011. Well, maybe christmas 2011. At the current rate, we will be LUCKY to see Starcraft 2 this year. Blizzard is a slow moving, yet intelligent giant. They won't release Diablo III anywhere NEAR the release time frame of Starcraft. They don't want the titles to compete with each other and they know to maximize the attention they will hype up both titles at seperate time frames.
Pure speculation.

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Beyond Diablo III, Grim Dawn has its own fan base already. Everyone that loved Titan Quest and what Iron Lore created will support Crate Entertainment and Grim Dawn. They actively participate and listen to the community and that goes a long way. Something Blizzard would never do.
If Crate doesn't have the resources to create a service similar to Battle.net (and I doubt they do), Grim Dawn will fail just like Titan Quest did. Doesn't matter if they have a few Titan Quest fans sticking around.

Blizzard doesn't give a crap about their community, but they have the money to make a solid AAA title. Hopefully they still have the talent to make another great Diablo game.
   
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Part of what made Diablo II great was Battle.net. Titan Quest failed because it didn't have a solid multiplayer component. Grim Dawn will fail twice as hard because it will be competing with Diablo III.
I don't see why you would consider Titan Quest a failure? It had very positive reviews, an active community, and sold well enough to warrant an expansion. If you are trying to compare Iron Lore's first ever game to the sales and public success of one of the most popular PC franchises ever, I think you are a bit disillusioned to what kind of expectations Iron Lore probably had. On top of that, I don't see the games single player and LAN focus as an issue, just because Diablo is focused on multiplayer, doesn't mean every game of the genre has to be. Anyway, I don't think Titan Quest was the entire story of why Iron Lore shut down.

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I don't see why you would consider Titan Quest a failure? It had very positive reviews, an active community, and sold well enough to warrant an expansion. If you are trying to compare Iron Lore's first ever game to the sales and public success of one of the most popular PC franchises ever, I think you are a bit disillusioned to what kind of expectations Iron Lore probably had. On top of that, I don't see the games single player and LAN focus as an issue, just because Diablo is focused on multiplayer, doesn't mean every game of the genre has to be. Anyway, I don't think Titan Quest was the entire story of why Iron Lore shut down.
Well clearly it wasn't much of a success if it led to Iron Lore closing down. I remember someone from Iron Lore making a forum post after the company shut down crying about how nobody bought the game.
   
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Same here, that's a shame
   
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Well clearly it wasn't much of a success if it led to Iron Lore closing down. I remember someone from Iron Lore making a forum post after the company shut down crying about how nobody bought the game.
They sold over one million copies of Titan Quest. What exactly do you consider "no one buying the game?"
   
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Same here, that's a shame
They're a small company with a modest budget. Unless a publish wants to jump on board and fill in that void, making a digital distribution is the only solution that makes sense for Crate Entertainment.
   
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What exactly do you consider "no one buying the game?"
Ask the Iron Lore producer who was crying about their game flopping.

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They sold over one million copies of Titan Quest.
What, total including expansion sales over the 3.5 years the game has been out? And including practically giving the game away during Steam sales?

Bottom line is that the company literally went out of business after Titan Quest came out. That says something.
   
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Ask the Iron Lore producer who was crying about their game flopping.



What, total including expansion sales over the 3.5 years the game has been out? And including practically giving the game away during Steam sales?

Bottom line is that the company literally went out of business after Titan Quest came out. That says something.
Did someone from Iron Lore sleep with your wife or something?
   
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http://worthplaying.com/article/2010/1/27/news/71881/

Screens, also it seems you can no longer pre-order from their website.
   
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