I got the h1n1 shot and now I feel...

[Passion Fruit]

If people susceptible to Flu and other illnesses need vaccines then that's fine, let them take it. I'm sure some people do and don't have the luxury to make an informed choice, but I'm not going to endanger my own health just because some random person i come into contact with "might" get the virus. If they need the vaccine and can't fight the virus then it's their job to make sure they have medical intervention. If not, then that's their problem.

[wubbles]

Originally Posted by Passion Fruit

If people susceptible to Flu and other illnesses need vaccines then that's fine, let them take it. I'm sure some people do and don't have the luxury to make an informed choice, but I'm not going to endanger my own health just because some random person i come into contact with "might" get the virus. If they need the vaccine and can't fight the virus then it's their job to make sure they have medical intervention. If not, then that's their problem.

So if a family member caught it off you it would be their fault?

[allesclar]

Originally Posted by Passion Fruit

I wouldn't take the H1N1 flu vaccine if they paid me.

+1 agree

[Passion Fruit]

Originally Posted by wubbles

So if a family member caught it off you it would be their fault?

You may or may not be aware that just because you have been vaccinated, it doesn't stop you from being a carrier of the virus.

[allesclar]

Originally Posted by wubbles

So if a family member caught it off you it would be their fault?

totally pointless comment. Why not just say that about hte source of where flu comes from? "if they had taken it" blah blah

You take a shot not to stop the spread, but to stop it over coming your own bodies defences.

I think its daft that people are being called stupid for not taking a drug when its THEIR CHOICE. If someone is healthy and not in the vulnerable group why should they take it? If it was so imperitive that everyone should take it, why do they split the availability of getting the shot into risk categorys? Dont give me that crap about not enough medicine being available, they have enough here in the UK to immunise everyone.

[Passion Fruit]

Originally Posted by allesclar

totally pointless comment. Why not just say that about hte source of where flu comes from? "if they had taken it" blah blah

You take a shot not to stop the spread, but to stop it over coming your own bodies defences.

I think its daft that people are being called stupid for not taking a drug when its THEIR CHOICE. If someone is healthy and not in the vulnerable group why should they take it? If it was so imperitive that everyone should take it, why do they split the availability of getting the shot into risk categorys? Dont give me that crap about not enough medicine being available, they have enough here in the UK to immunise everyone.

Indeed, whether people take the vaccine or not is completely irrelevant.

All a vaccine does (or at least is supposed to do) is boost your own immune defence.

Whether or not i was vaccinated would have no effect on anyone close by me for the simple fact that i'd still be carrying the virus, vaccinated or not.

Of course if i was in danger of giving a deadly virus to a family member and there was a CURE, then yes i would of course take it.

A vaccination is not a cure, and every vaccinated person can still transmit the virus to someone else.

I would appreciate not being made out to be a cold heartless bastard when people indeed need to learn what a vaccine actually does... no offense

[Mr.Bigtime]

on tv a doctor was saying that: with those shots they do ;(including normal flue each year people been shot) breaks ur BODY SELF DEFENSE MECHANISM. Normally body develops its own defense against viruses. he says. And he adds, the target group for the shot needs extra defense support. thats ok. but if u can DO, its best not to DO SHOTs to yourself. One another doctor replies to him: thats wrong, u cant risk it.U all should do shots. and other Doctor replies: u work for the those medicine companies? how much they bribed u? ..and argument went sht.

LoL man, i really dont know whats going on...i keep saying i wont get shot but ofocurse i afraid of the virus

[UnclePappi]

They want to make my son get the shot at school or he can't attend. Pfft WTF? My bloodline is resistant to the flu. Nobody in my family ever gets the flu. We just don't.

[wubbles]

Originally Posted by Passion Fruit

You may or may not be aware that just because you have been vaccinated, it doesn't stop you from being a carrier of the virus.

The vaccine boosts your immune system so that you combat the virus reducing the symptoms which actually cause the transmission(cough, runny nose ect). Evidently you did not pay attention in biology class.

[Mr.Bigtime]

Originally Posted by UnclePappi

They want to make my son get the shot at school or he can't attend. Pfft WTF? My bloodline is resistant to the flu. Nobody in my family ever gets the flu. We just don't.

he can still wear a mask and go to school...or cant? some kids here do that and nobody forces them.

[allesclar]

Originally Posted by wubbles

The vaccine boosts your immune system so that you combat the virus reducing the symptoms which actually cause the transmission(cough, runny nose ect). Evidently you did not pay attention in biology class.

The fact is that you will have already passed the disease on before you even show having symptoms for having it. You can still pass it on with symptoms, but the fact is that you are more likely to pass it on when you have no symptoms as you dont tihnk you have it, hence dont take precautions.

[UnclePappi]

Here you have to get the shot or you can't go. No masks.

[wubbles]

Originally Posted by allesclar

The fact is that you will have already passed the disease on before you even show having symptoms for having it. You can still pass it on with symptoms, but the fact is that you are more likely to pass it on when you have no symptoms as you dont tihnk you have it, hence dont take precautions.

The main cause of transmission is coughing and sneezing, this is more likely to happen when symptoms, even mild ones, have emerged. Vaccination cuts the recovery time and severity, thus the probablity of transmission is reduced.

[allesclar]

yes but it doesnt STOP THE SPREAD!!! it will help to lower the possiblilty of spreading it on but thats it.

Now going out while you know you have the disease coughing everywhere spreading the disease etc thats ignorant for.

[blisbell]

Im 36 and very rarely get sick if I do is less than a day.Havent had shots sence I was a kid.I was born with an congetial heart block,and had to get a pacemaker when I was 19.My doctor told me that I had a over developed immune system because of my body adapting to my slow heart rater it was 35-45 beats a min.Ill never get any shot.

[smnoamls]

clarifications.
In my usual easy to read list style.
1) Yes, vaccinations do stop spread of the disease. Its actually its main point. No symptoms = no spread. Also , once you are vaccinated and flu proof you are NOT a carrier. you are a carrier of the anti bodies.
2) Yes, its the needs of society which ultimately affect you. You cannot say, "screw all those 1/10 of those which may have adverse affects" because such a pandemic, and I do not use that word lightly can have devastating effects on society. You may wish to choose not to understand it, but that doesn't make it not so.
3) For crying out loud read into the numbers. The amount of people hurt by the vaccine is TINY compared to the healthy young people who died from it. Sure, not ALOT died but a significant amount more than regular flu. In Israel yesterday a 31 year old non smoking athlete died from it. Just for example.
4) A country, if realizing that it needs to mobilize its people for the greater good can force them to do things they dont want. Like recruiting to the army, help fight forest fires, national guard, and yes even put their blood up for vaccination.

[wubbles]

Originally Posted by allesclar

yes but it doesnt STOP THE SPREAD!!! it will help to lower the possiblilty of spreading it on but thats it.

You seem to be caught in a false dichotomy where it either it does or doesn't work. A vaccinated person who is infected does not carry the virus indefinably, coupled with the greatly reduced probability of transmission the virus could stop with them. Even if the vaccination is unable to stop spread entirely it slows it, taking pressure off our healthcare systems.

[Passion Fruit]

Originally Posted by smnoamls

clarifications.
In my usual easy to read list style.
1) Yes, vaccinations do stop spread of the disease. Its actually its main point. No symptoms = no spread. Also , once you are vaccinated and flu proof you are NOT a carrier. you are a carrier of the anti bodies.
2) Yes, its the needs of society which ultimately affect you. You cannot say, "screw all those 1/10 of those which may have adverse affects" because such a pandemic, and I do not use that word lightly can have devastating effects on society. You may wish to choose not to understand it, but that doesn't make it not so.
3) For crying out loud read into the numbers. The amount of people hurt by the vaccine is TINY compared to the healthy young people who died from it. Sure, not ALOT died but a significant amount more than regular flu. In Israel yesterday a 31 year old non smoking athlete died from it. Just for example.
4) A country, if realizing that it needs to mobilize its people for the greater good can force them to do things they dont want. Like recruiting to the army, help fight forest fires, national guard, and yes even put their blood up for vaccination.

I'm only going to say this one more time, a vaccine is NOT a cure and it doesn't stop you from being a carrier of the virus. Yes, it can boost your natural defence of the virus, but it doesn't stop your from contracting it, it simply means that you stand a better chance of defending yourself if you DO get it.

Also, just because someone is physically fit, eats good and doesn't smoke does not have any bearing on how well their immune system will combat a virus. A fat lard lazy couch potato who doesn't give a toss about himself could have a better immunity than the most physically active, healthy person on the planet. Thats the way our immune system works, your lifestyle has absolutely nothing to do with it in most cases.

[smnoamls]

Since you are only going to say this once, I will only reply once.
The vaccine, due to the fact it in fact REMOVES the chances of you contracting the disease de facto makes you a non carrier.
You have automatic antibodies to the disease. The virus does not reproduce in you. It simply doesnt.

Theoretically , for the DAY of infection you can transfer the disease.
Without coughing sneezing or phlegm.
For less than a day.
So you are in fact , compared to even a mildly coughing or even slightly teary infected you are a NON carrier.
Wanna go through this again? I got all the time in the world.

[Passion Fruit]

Originally Posted by smnoamls

Wanna go through this again? I got all the time in the world.

Good for you, it still doesn't change the fact that vaccines don't cure the flu virus, and they don't elimate you from being a carrier.

[wubbles]

Originally Posted by Passion Fruit

Good for you, it still doesn't change the fact that vaccines don't cure the flu virus, and they don't elimate you from being a carrier.

Vaccines are preventative, ofcourse they don't cure it, a cure is something you get after infection. How are we meant to argue this when you don't even know what a vaccine is.

"A vaccine is a biological preparation that improves immunity to a particular disease. A vaccine typically contains a small amount of an agent that resembles a microorganism. The agent stimulates the body's immune system to recognize the agent as foreign, destroy it, and "remember" it, so that the immune system can more easily recognize and destroy any of these microorganisms that it later encounters."

[WhiteLightning]

Originally Posted by smnoamls

4) A country, if realizing that it needs to mobilize its people for the greater good can force them to do things they dont want. Like recruiting to the army, help fight forest fires, national guard, and yes even put their blood up for vaccination.

Do you want our government to force us to take the vaccination ?

[wubbles]

Originally Posted by WhiteLightning

Do you want our government to force us to take the vaccination ?

Governments shouldn't have to force, they just need to explain it properly and improve peoples understanding of science, which is shockingly bad.

[smnoamls]

1) Thank you for explaining to me what a vaccination is. I already know that, but a brush up on it is always helpful. Anyways, it simply states that once you have the correct antibodies your body automatically removes the virus. It will not infect the macrofages and other white cells ( T cells etc ) and therefore not reproduce, making further infection impossible.
2) No white lightning, I do not. First, your goverment and my goverment are not the same ( unless you live in Israel that is ).
I was making a point that if , come autumn the virus does mutate as many immunologists believe it will and may become more dangerous, tha many countries will as an act of preemptive "war" will call upon all its citizens to immunize themselves.
3) http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/

You might not believe the CDC, it has anterior motives, it wants to thin out the population etc. I know a few people who work there, and other than being nerds they are perfectly nice and honest people.
Read , there is alot of information there. I seriously doubt any question or doubt you have will not be answered there including a full reference to other indipendant researches and off shore group findings.
Dont believe me, Im a science troll. I bash anywho who i believe to be wrong.
BUT dont believe the hype either. Dont believe old wives tales and medicine. We are in the 21st century and living the longest lives despite pollution and disease. Why? Because science / logic reign supreme.
You are all with a "knack" for science. Drop your prejudice and read the cdc site. Read the NHS site.
Read the german medical site with google translate ( personally they are the best ).

But don't spout BS. It makes you looks silly.
PS: I was not referring to any one individual, that was a general advice against BS.

[momomo67890]

my 67 year old dad with a heart condition got one and had no symptoms after it.