Buying a new CPU - Phenom Vs. Phenom II

ShadowMyth · *Last edited by ShadowMyth; 10-11-2009 at 16:37.*

Sorry, I know this has been discussed, but I can't find specifics. I currently have a Phenom 9550 clocked at 2.64 GHz & I am happy with it's performance for the most part. Generally I can play what I want, maxed out with no issues, but have noticed it is definetly holding back my GTX 275. I'm thinking of buying a new CPU, probably the Phenom II x4 965 BE. I need something that will play some of the new games coming out without issue. If I go with the Phenom II x4 965 BE, what kind of increase in fps can I expect in some of the popular games that were recently released? Is AMD going to release any faster CPU's in the next 2-4 months? Sorry dual thread posts, don't know how that happened!

RKOver · 10-11-2009, 16:33 | posts: 1,928 | Location: Oakham, UK | User is Offline

I doubt they will release another one YET but if they do I won't bother because it will be the 965 but 200MHz faster for example so 975(?) but I'd buy the 955 instead.

ShadowMyth · *Last edited by ShadowMyth; 10-11-2009 at 16:37.*

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Originally Posted by RKOver

I doubt they will release another one YET but if they do I won't bother because it will be the 965 but 200MHz faster for example so 975(?) but I'd buy the 955 instead.

Yeah I heard the 955 overclocks better due to the lower voltage.

RKOver · 10-11-2009, 16:35 | posts: 1,928 | Location: Oakham, UK | User is Offline

Yeah plus the 965 IS the 955 but 200MHz more lol. 955 + a nice overclock is a nice jump over your current CPU. I reckon you could get easy 3.5GHz on air with it.

ShadowMyth · 10-11-2009, 16:39 | posts: 963 | Location: West Chester, PA | User is Offline

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Yeah plus the 965 IS the 955 but 200MHz more lol. 955 + a nice overclock is a nice jump over your current CPU. I reckon you could get easy 3.5GHz on air with it.

Nice! I like the price difference too. $245 Vs. $189 @ newegg.

RKOver · 10-11-2009, 16:48 | posts: 1,928 | Location: Oakham, UK | User is Offline

Yeah 955 then mate

Karnage3099 · 10-11-2009, 16:50 | posts: 154 | Location: Florida | User is Offline

yeah the 955 would be a big improvement even if you didn't overclock it.....but you should

8IronBob · 10-11-2009, 17:41 | posts: 419 | Location: Cleveland, OH, USA | User is Offline

Heh...you're making the same upgrade I am! Only mine's on a different motherboard, so yeah, I'd go with the 955 BE, and flash the BIOS of the mobo to get the latest support.

ShadowMyth · 10-11-2009, 18:23 | posts: 963 | Location: West Chester, PA | User is Offline

Looks like it's the AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition.

deltatux · 10-11-2009, 20:01 | posts: 7,219 | Location: Toronto, Canada | User is Offline

I back the 955 as well.

deltatux

dudecat64 · 10-11-2009, 20:49 | posts: 3,084 | Location: nystate | User is Offline

Yep that would have been my second choice had the 95w 945 not been in stock.

ShadowMyth · 10-11-2009, 20:52 | posts: 963 | Location: West Chester, PA | User is Offline

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Yep that would have been my second choice had the 95w 945 not been in stock.

What kind of speed/fps increase are you seeing from the 945 compared to the 9550?

Titan7170 · 10-11-2009, 20:54 | posts: 121 | User is Offline

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Yeah I heard the 955 overclocks better due to the lower voltage.

I havent seen a 955 hit 4.1 or 4.2ghz like my 965 on water yet, where did you hear that?........

ShadowMyth · 10-11-2009, 21:05 | posts: 963 | Location: West Chester, PA | User is Offline

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I havent seen a 955 hit 4.1 or 4.2ghz like my 965 on water yet, where did you hear that?........

I was just trolling the net trying to get an idea on Phenom Vs. Phenom II speeds. It seemed to come up in alot of other forums. Made sense do to the fact there is a 15w difference. But what do I know.... Thats why I'm asking.

dudecat64 · 10-11-2009, 21:52 | posts: 3,084 | Location: nystate | User is Offline

Well for the most part fps in most games almost doubled. If i had known that quad would slow down my 4870 so much i would have gotten rid of it last year. For the most part the pc seems faster and games are much smoother now.

ShadowMyth · 10-11-2009, 21:55 | posts: 963 | Location: West Chester, PA | User is Offline

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Well for the most part fps in most games almost doubled. If i had known that quad would slow down my 4870 so much i would have gotten rid of it last year. For the most part the pc seems faster and games are much smoother now.

SOLD! Double the fps, then I'm getting a Phenom II 955 BE next week. Thanks!

Titan7170 · 10-11-2009, 23:02 | posts: 121 | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by ShadowMyth

I was just trolling the net trying to get an idea on Phenom Vs. Phenom II speeds. It seemed to come up in alot of other forums. Made sense do to the fact there is a 15w difference. But what do I know.... Thats why I'm asking.

I hear you, well I dont want to make it sound like every 965 is like this plus its watercooled so I would say you are correct to believe that it would run hotter and might just match a 955.

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SOLD! Double the fps, then I'm getting a Phenom II 955 BE next week. Thanks!

Thast a awsome choice, you are going to see a huge difference compared to your current cpu.

good luck I hope you get a good one

ShadowMyth · 10-11-2009, 23:03 | posts: 963 | Location: West Chester, PA | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by Titan7170

I hear you, well I dont want to make it sound like every 965 is like this plus its watercooled so I would say you are correct to believe that it would run hotter and might just match a 955.

Thast a awsome choice, you are going to see a huge difference compared to your current cpu.

good luck I hope you get a good one

Thanks!

Titan7170 · 10-11-2009, 23:08 | posts: 121 | User is Offline

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Thanks!

You will be able to hit 3.7-3.8ghz at stock voltages

Alexis444 · **Memory**: OCZ Gold 4gb 800 5-5-5-18

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Originally Posted by Titan7170

I havent seen a 955 hit 4.1 or 4.2ghz like my 965 on water yet, where did you hear that?........

I got a friend who has a PII 955 BE @ 4.4ghz on watercooling. We ensemble the watercooling unit & he overclocks it. The mobo its a Asus but I dont remember the model.

deltatux · 10-12-2009, 13:33 | posts: 7,219 | Location: Toronto, Canada | User is Offline

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I got a friend who has a PII 955 BE @ 4.4ghz on watercooling. We ensemble the watercooling unit & he overclocks it. The mobo its a Asus but I dont remember the model.

any CPU-Z validations?

deltatux

8IronBob · *Last edited by 8IronBob; 10-12-2009 at 13:38.*

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Originally Posted by ShadowMyth

SOLD! Double the fps, then I'm getting a Phenom II 955 BE next week. Thanks!

You won't regret it. For the same price it would've cost me to upgrade the graphics card to the HD5870 alone, I decided that for about the same price, I'd just to upgrade my CPU to the 955 BE, and grab the HD5850 GPU. Sounded like a good tradeoff to me. I wasn't about to risk holding onto the 9550 myself, either, and risk bottlenecking on DX11 gaming in the long haul. By the time Win 7 comes out, the original Phenom may be useless, if not obsolete by the time the first DX11-based games start showing up.

Titan7170 · 10-12-2009, 22:48 | posts: 121 | User is Offline

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any CPU-Z validations?

deltatux

Thats what Im saying if you going to say something like that post up some screenies or something........maybe he just booted for a few seconds at 4.4ghz.........I got superpi1m to run at 4.4ghz. Im sure Im at the top end of overclocks as far as I can see on air/water, I dont ever see anyone running 4.1 or 4.2ghz gaming stable.

Kohlendioxidus · 10-13-2009, 05:21 | posts: 355 | Location: Germany | User is Online

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SOLD! Double the fps, then I'm getting a Phenom II 955 BE next week. Thanks!

you won't regret it. Have fun with it and post some benches

rogue71 · 10-13-2009, 21:48 | posts: 391 | Location: Canada | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by Titan7170

You will be able to hit 3.7-3.8ghz at stock voltages

depends on the chip and board. some do some dont. my setup doesnt go over 3.4 on stock voltage.