Regarding 59hz Bug.

[Squall Leonhart]

The 59hz itself is not actually a bug and It will not be fixed by display drivers, so stop asking.

Many of you, are of the thought that, the base refresh rate of most monitors is 60hz, However, the true frequency for most monitors is 59.94hz. Some monitors are infact true 60hz, but these are only certain models/brands.

Windows XP and Vista, both round the Refresh rate display up from 59.94, to the nearest whole number, which is 60, the same way the Config UI on a monitor, would also say 60.

Windows 7 was changed to further conform to the EDID standard, and as such many monitors will only run at 59hz (59.94 actual). The reason for this is windows no longer rounds the number to the nearest whole, though most monitors still will. (Check yourself if you like).

Many of you are having a problem with getting 60hz to stick. This is because the DDC/CI information provided from the display is telling the system that the max refresh rate is 59.94, as such only 59hz is exposed as a supported mode.

Nothing here has actually changed. Most displays have always run at between 58 and 60hz, but have just displayed the running mode as 60hz due to the rounding up.

However, some games are hard coded to only support a 60hz refresh rate. This is neither nvidia's or microsofts fault, it is a fault with the game developer for being the geniuses they are, and hard coding refresh support.

Originally Posted by The explanation, taken right from one of the developer blogs

“If you have a monitor that exposes ~59.94 (and no other frequency that we would use for 60), we enumerate both 59 and 60 and whichever you set, we set 59.94 and persist 59.94. When the UI asks what mode we’re in we tell it we’re in 59, as you see. This is the issue we had back at the end of February when we were trying to make the last minute fixes but in the end we decided that it was too late. So it is by design for now.”

(PS, i don't know which blog, its probably internal to technet users or something)

There are several work arounds to play these games, for instance

• Using a VGA cable, many displays will only allow 60hz minimum via VGA cable.
• Disabling DDC/CI in the monitors controls.
• Pulling the Pin responsible for EDID (DDC/CI) from the VGA cable. and then installing a modified inf.
• Injecting a regkey which overries the EDID information.

Other then these, the only people who can fix this issue are Microsoft, and the Game developers who's oh so intelligent programmers decided to hard code refresh rate modes.

Whether to you, its a bug or not. Stop asking about it in the driver threads. ITS NOT A DRIVER BUG.

Anyone with any other work arounds to force 60hz, please post them here

Edit
Someone asked for some games, lol

Games i've read/found so far to not work under 59hz are.
BF2 (and any sequel, or game based off the BF2 engine)
WiC (works at 59hz according to pSXAuthor)
CoH

[Andyus]

finally someone who sayd "its not a driver bug" =D every new release many people say, this driver fix 59hz? anyway thanks for tips

[AdamK47]

I haven't used Windows 7 yet, but when I do I'd like to know what games won't work because of this issue. Anyone know of a list or can name a few off of the top of your heads?

[BeLGaRaTh_67]

I would like to have a list of games that are reported not working too, as I am going to be upgrading to Win7 and don't want to run into any issues later on

[blunden]

Maybe this should be a sticky?

[Denial]

This should be stickied.

[Pill Monster]

It's a driver bug..

[Redemption80]

FYI, i can select 59 or 60hz, but use 59 as it seems to be better with BluRay movies, could be placebo effect though.

[Zer0K3wL]

when i set 60 hz it just drops back 59hz heck its a bug.
also if i force 59.885 refresh rate aka 60hz reported by os.
it just stay altough i cant set 59 hz anymore.
and this fixes a lot dual screen issues for me.
since games stay to 1 refreshrate and dont force 60hz anymore while desktop is 59hz.

[Hog54]

I dont see what the big problem is?Who cares if your desktop is 59hz or 60hz,can you really see any difference?And what games are you playing that you cant set the refresh rate in the game?

[cricket bones]

If you were to look at the info shown with your monitor's OSD, it will most likely say 60 hz, regardless of what the control panel says regarding 59 hz.


Inane whining about pointless things.

[zimzoid]

its bs i think, control panel says 59 but lcd says 60 and i see no difference between the two so no big deal really lol

[ethne]

Originally Posted by zimzoid

its bs i think, control panel says 59 but lcd says 60 and i see no difference between the two so no big deal really lol

WiC and CoH are affected using HDMI. If you use a stock VGA cable they are fine. I'm going to try fooling around with DDC as I haven't tried that before.

Seems to be a problem with any driver after 182.50 and these 2 games (I'm sure there are others but these are the only 2 I have experienced it with).

Eth

[Zer0K3wL]

Originally Posted by Hog54

I dont see what the big problem is?Who cares if your desktop is 59hz or 60hz,can you really see any difference?And what games are you playing that you cant set the refresh rate in the game?

i care cous it gives me many issues with dual screen setup.

[ethne]

Originally Posted by Squall Leonhart

The 59hz itself is not actually a bug and It will not be fixed by display drivers, so stop asking.

Many of you, are of the thought that, the base refresh rate of most monitors is 60hz, However, the true frequency for most monitors is 59.94hz. Some monitors are infact true 60hz, but these are only certain models/brands.

Windows XP and Vista, both round the Refresh rate display up from 59.94, to the nearest whole number, which is 60, the same way the Config UI on a monitor, would also say 60.

Windows 7 was changed to further conform to the EDID standard, and as such many monitors will only run at 59hz (59.94 actual). The reason for this is windows no longer rounds the number to the nearest whole, though most monitors still will. (Check yourself if you like).

Many of you are having a problem with getting 60hz to stick. This is because the DDC/CI information provided from the display is telling the system that the max refresh rate is 59.94, as such only 59hz is exposed as a supported mode.

Nothing here has actually changed. Most displays have always run at between 58 and 60hz, but have just displayed the running mode as 60hz due to the rounding up.

However, some games are hard coded to only support a 60hz refresh rate. This is neither nvidia's or microsofts fault, it is a fault with the game developer for being the geniuses they are, and hard coding refresh support.

There are several work arounds to play these games, for instance

• Using a VGA cable, many displays will only allow 60hz minimum via VGA cable.
• Disabling DDC/CI in the monitors controls.
• Pulling the Pin responsible for EDID (DDC/CI) from the VGA cable. and then installing a modified inf.
• Injecting a regkey which overries the EDID information.

Other then these, the only people who can fix this issue are Microsoft, and the Game developers who's oh so intelligent programmers decided to hard code refresh rate modes.

Whether to you, its a bug or not. Stop asking about it in the driver threads. ITS NOT A DRIVER BUG.

Anyone with any other work arounds to force 60hz, please post them here

It may not be Nvidia's or MS fault but the simple fact is that since 185.85 and as of 190.56 this has been a problem and it renders some games unplayable. Im sure it's not difficult to have a checkbox that overides this problem (or the rounding you mentioned in XP and Vista).

Win 7 is still unreleased so it's definitely not "rant time" yet. But when it is released, some one will have to pony up and fix this (and I could care less whether it's MS, Nvidia or whoever) because breaking a pin off the connector is not now, and never will be, an acceptable solution (neither is reverting to a standard VGA connector).

Regards,

Eth

[sava700]

Funny thing is it worked fine and showed 60hz in Vista and now with Win7 its not...its showing 59hz. I remember asking yesterday in a recent driver thread if the latest beta fixed it cause ya know what....something is WRONG!

I've tried the display drivers for my Dell 24" Ultra and they are not needed since Win7 already picks it up unlike Vista and XP... but again its something with Windows7/Nvidia that won't let the 60hz stick when changed. Sure it might not harm nothing or do much at all but its a number and 1 off from where I want it to be and a selection that should work regardless of the cause.

So post all the threads about you not liking people asking or talking about it everyday for all I care..but there is a problem and some games are not playable as it is. Not to mention the suggestion about breaking a pin off a connector is just border line freakin ignorant!

[Redemption80]

Don't think some people are reading this, its not one number off, its not one off from where you want it to be either, ignore what the CP is telling you, what does your monitor tell you?

I personally don't see this ever getting "fixed"
1: Because its a fix for an old bug rather than it being a bug itself.
2: Becuase i can select 59 or 60 on two seperate W7 installations, only got it when i started fannyin about with adding custom resolutions, but i've not been able to duplicate that, and i doubt im the only person who can do this.

[dabrooks]

Originally Posted by sava700

Funny thing is it worked fine and showed 60hz in Vista and now with Win7 its not...its showing 59hz. I remember asking yesterday in a recent driver thread if the latest beta fixed it cause ya know what....something is WRONG!

I've tried the display drivers for my Dell 24" Ultra and they are not needed since Win7 already picks it up unlike Vista and XP... but again its something with Windows7/Nvidia that won't let the 60hz stick when changed. Sure it might not harm nothing or do much at all but its a number and 1 off from where I want it to be and a selection that should work regardless of the cause.

So post all the threads about you not liking people asking or talking about it everyday for all I care..but there is a problem and some games are not playable as it is. Not to mention the suggestion about breaking a pin off a connector is just border line freakin ignorant!

Boy, did you miss the point. Re-read again, slowly.

[Squall Leonhart]

Actually, the games effected are probably fixable with a simple hex patch.

its the developers faults for not allowing for rates below 60hz though.

[cricket bones]

Originally Posted by zer0kewl

i care cous it gives me many issues with dual screen setup.

I have dual screens with no problems. One is 1680x1050 and the other is 1280x1024.

[Zer0K3wL]

try play movie with media player clasic on 2e screen with 60 hz
and main screen on 59 hz with bug.
let game go full screen asswell for me media player clasic just freezes.

if i force 60 hz on my main screen then this aint a problem anymore.

[Squall Leonhart]

thats a CODEC bug, not a 59hz bug.

[Redemption80]

Why are you running MPC at 60hz anyway, 59 or 24hz are better for most NTSC or BluRay sources.
Also does the same movie crash in WMP when you do the same thing?

[Squall Leonhart]

....if he wants i can tell the developer of MPC?... i am sort of aquainted to gabest.

hmm... actually mpc seems to play videos at 59hz fine :\

[Redemption80]

Yeah, thats what i meant, but seemed to write some giberish instead lol.