Is there a way to take my refresh rate above 60hz at 1680x1050 res?

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My LCD is Samsung SyncMaster 226BW the max refresh rate i have is 60 at 1680x1050. I heard it wont hurt eyes that much when the refresh rate is high but 60 is the max for me. Do i have to change my moniter to get high refresh rate or what?

Belz · 08-05-2008, 11:23 | posts: 546 | Location: Brussels, Belgium

Max refresh rate for any LCD monitor is 60Hz i think.
Only CRT screens support higher Hz.

Don't worry though, LCD screens don't hurt the eyes as CRT screens do.

roguesn1per · 08-05-2008, 11:34 | posts: 9,514 | Location: Aussie Perth WA

changing the hz on a LCD doesnt change the same as CRTS.

Sprig · 08-06-2008, 00:24 | posts: 223 | Location: Wellington, NZ

really? My LCD is at 75 Hertz :S

Threewheels · 08-06-2008, 03:31 | posts: 376 | Location: Los Angeles

some LCDs can display 70, 72, 75 hertz. MOST can only do 60 though. Check the manual that came with your monitor to see what frequency it supports at its native resolution.

LCD's don't refresh the same way a CRT does, so 60hz is quite comfortable on an LCD.

Zeppo · 08-09-2008, 11:34 | posts: 1,418 | Location: London, UK

The latest batch of LCD HD TV's are 100Hz and they look wicked sick.

roguesn1per · 08-10-2008, 09:17 | posts: 9,514 | Location: Aussie Perth WA

lol ok

ide say thats the "motion plus" "movie mode" actually making it "look" smoother/better

NeoElNino · 08-18-2008, 23:35 | posts: 928 | Location: Canada

There was a 120Hz version of my current 40inch HDTV Samsung but i got the 60Hz one bcse the price gap was too big (300$) for something that you might not really notice.

Kollunz · 08-19-2008, 07:45 | posts: 321 | Location: San Francisco, California

most people's eyes cant see or notice a difference past 60 hertz...

Zeppo · 08-19-2008, 12:04 | posts: 1,418 | Location: London, UK

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Originally Posted by Kollunz

most people's eyes cant see or notice a difference past 60 hertz...

Not sure about video games, but when you watch movies or standard TV the extra hertz really make a difference.

Pill Monster · 08-19-2008, 12:48 | posts: 20,464 | Location: NZ

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Originally Posted by Kollunz

most people's eyes cant see or notice a difference past 60 hertz...

What a load of Bollocks.

Where did you get that misinformation from???

LedHed · 08-19-2008, 13:53 | posts: 6,828 | Location: North Carolina, USA

http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frame...humans_see.htm

Pill Monster · 08-19-2008, 18:39 | posts: 20,464 | Location: NZ

http://www.health24.com/medical/Cond...1692,29508.asp

http://www.computerpoweruser.com/edi...03%2F58c03.asp

ST19AG_WGreymon · 08-19-2008, 19:53 | posts: 4,654 | Location: Maryland, USA

Are there any pros or cons to runnig my CRT at 100Hz?

LedHed · 08-19-2008, 22:44 | posts: 6,828 | Location: North Carolina, USA

You want to run your CRT as the highest supported refresh to reduce eye strain and flickering.

Helpful · 08-19-2008, 23:56 | posts: 628 | Location: Cape Cod,USA

An LCD monitor should be run at its native refresh rate, usually 60Hz.
If you suffer eye strain it is not from the refresh rate, but rather it is from BRIGHTNESS setting too high. Try lowering Brightness in the onscreen menu to 60%.

LedHed · 08-20-2008, 00:16 | posts: 6,828 | Location: North Carolina, USA

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Originally Posted by Helpful

An LCD monitor should be run at its native refresh rate, usually 60Hz.
If you suffer eye strain it is not from the refresh rate, but rather it is from BRIGHTNESS setting too high. Try lowering Brightness in the onscreen menu to 60%.

Refresh Rate causes more eye strain if it is too low.

Pill Monster · 08-20-2008, 10:01 | posts: 20,464 | Location: NZ

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Originally Posted by ST19AG_WGreymon

Are there any pros or cons to runnig my CRT at 100Hz?

The higher the refresh rate is, the faster your monitor will wear out, most people seem to be happy with 85hz. I think 100hz is a bit extreme but of course it's up to you...

CRT's are harder on your eyes because they are basically just a big gun that fires Proton Beams at you all day long - whereas LCD monitors simply have shutters on the monitor that open and close. This is a rough explanation of why you can run an LCD at a lower refresh rate than a CRT.

Belz · *Last edited by Belz; 08-20-2008 at 11:06.*

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Originally Posted by Zeppo

Not sure about video games, but when you watch movies or standard TV the extra hertz really make a difference.

From my understanding it's the opposite.

Movies or standard TV only do 24fps/30fps. Cartoons are only 15fps.
Only in video games like fast paced firstperson shooters you will benifit from 60+ fps.

Then only reason they bring out 120Hz TV sowadays is because it's more easy to get 15fps, 24fps, 30fps and 60fps "upscaled".

15fps * 8 = 120
24fps * 5 = 120
30fps * 4 = 120
60fps * 2 = 120

So the algorithm to repeat the same frame each refresh cycle is easier and you get a less jerky feeling.

/offtopic

Zeppo · 08-20-2008, 12:41 | posts: 1,418 | Location: London, UK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belz

From my understanding it's the opposite.

Movies or standard TV only do 24fps/30fps. Cartoons are only 15fps.
Only in video games like fast paced firstperson shooters you will benifit from 60+ fps.

Then only reason they bring out 120Hz TV sowadays is because it's more easy to get 15fps, 24fps, 30fps and 60fps "upscaled".

15fps * 8 = 120
24fps * 5 = 120
30fps * 4 = 120
60fps * 2 = 120

So the algorithm to repeat the same frame each refresh cycle is easier and you get a less jerky feeling.

/offtopic

Whatever the case, higher hertz is always better.

Belz · 08-20-2008, 13:13 | posts: 546 | Location: Brussels, Belgium

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeppo

Whatever the case, higher hertz is always better.

Not necessarily.

Playing a 24fps movie at 24Hz will be better then playing it at 60Hz.

Pill Monster · 08-20-2008, 15:23 | posts: 20,464 | Location: NZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belz

From my understanding it's the opposite.

Movies or standard TV only do 24fps/30fps. Cartoons are only 15fps.
Only in video games like fast paced firstperson shooters you will benifit from 60+ fps.

Then only reason they bring out 120Hz TV sowadays is because it's more easy to get 15fps, 24fps, 30fps and 60fps "upscaled".

15fps * 8 = 120
24fps * 5 = 120
30fps * 4 = 120
60fps * 2 = 120

So the algorithm to repeat the same frame each refresh cycle is easier and you get a less jerky feeling.

/offtopic

Mate, it sounds like you're getting your FPS and your refresh rate mixed up. You keep referring to FPS. 60Hz does not equal 60fps

Refresh rate and FPS are two completely different things altogether,
and the subject of this thread is Refresh rate.

I don't mean to sound condescending but It might pay you to go and do a bit more research before you get any further into your debate....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belz
Playing a 24fps movie at 24Hz will be better then playing it at 60Hz.

I'd be very interested to see how long you could stand to watch something on a monitor running at 24Hz.

WhiteLightning · 08-20-2008, 15:32 | posts: 20,450 | Location: Netherlands

i remember sitting behind my crt @ 60HZ.... after some time, i felt i needed glasses

Threewheels · *Last edited by Threewheels; 08-20-2008 at 17:08.*

either way, LCDs don't "refresh" like a CRT, there is no flickering like a CRT, since the LCD does not scan the image from top to bottom like a CRT, it just basically turns the pixel "on".

also, keep in mind, that a higher refresh setting on an LCD *may* increase ghosting, depending on what the pixel response time is on the panel. My old 19" LCD ghosted really bad at 75hz when running games - to the point where it was almost unplayable, but was perfect at 60hz. Most newer panels should be fast enough so this doesn't happen though.

Belz · *Last edited by Belz; 08-21-2008 at 11:57.*

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillmonster

Mate, it sounds like you're getting your FPS and your refresh rate mixed up. You keep referring to FPS. 60Hz does not equal 60fps

Refresh rate and FPS are two completely different things altogether,
and the subject of this thread is Refresh rate.

I don't mean to sound condescending but It might pay you to go and do a bit more research before you get any further into your debate.....

FPS = the frames per second that you videocard produces (in games) or the number of frames per second that are encoded in a movie. Your videocard sends these frames to your monitor.

Hz = the number of times your monitor refreshes its image per second.

Basically you want those 2 things to be in sync.
Ever heard of Vsync in games and why it magically gives you 60fps when you have a refresh rate of 60Hz for your monitor?
It so your videocard sends a frame (fps) each time your monitor refreshes (Hz) the image it displays.

EDIT: On CRT monitors, I agree. 24Hz would kill your brain with all that flickering. On an LCD it will be ok (Hz here is just the number of times a pixel changes it's color per second).

Do some research