Water Cooling - Buyers Guide - Page 15

benqbiggis · 08-10-2012, 14:42 | posts: 40 | Location: Brazil

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhazeDelta1

Get this cpu block instead. It's better
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14...tl=g30c323s835

You wont need the copper sulfate drops because the fluid you have listed has corrosive and algae inhibitors already mixed in. Everything else looks fine.

thanks

but for what reasons that cpu block is better than that one i previous selected ?
and in both cpu blocks that compression fittings will work normally ? cause they are a bit large

another doubt... is any good that pump ? works with that compression fittings sizes ?

PhazeDelta1 · 08-10-2012, 22:26 | posts: 9,344 | Location: 90° N

Yes your compression fittings are fine. The pump you have listed will be enough for your setup.

Here is a review on that cpu block I recommended
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ago%B4s-Review

The Laughing Ma · 08-11-2012, 00:07 | posts: 1,926

My setup

- XSPC RS120 Radiator - Black
- XSPC EX240 Slim Line Dual Fan Radiator
- 2 x Yate Loon 120mm D12SH-12 - 2200 RPM
- 2 x Yate Loon D12SL-12C with plug (1350rpm) (Slim) 120x120x20mm
- 6 x XSPC Coin Fit G1/4 to 7/16 ID 5/8 OD Compression Fitting - Black
- 2 x EK Water Blocks EK-PSC 16/12mm compression fitting G1/4 (ID 7/16)
- Primochill tubing PrimoFlex Pro 16/11 (7/16\"ID) UV red - 1m
- EK Water Blocks EK-Supreme LTX - Acetal+EN (Nickel) 775/ 1156/
- EK-FB ASUS Maximus III Formula - Acetal+Nickel
- 12V Laing DDC-1T Pro (10w)
- Laing DDC Acrylic Tank Reservoir - XSPC

The results

The system actually idles a bit warmer than I thought, around 30C the real difference though is under load, the system rarely gets above 45 even when under full load for a prolonged period of time.

BlackZero · *Last edited by BlackZero; 08-11-2012 at 02:46.*

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhazeDelta1

Yes your compression fittings are fine. The pump you have listed will be enough for your setup.

Here is a review on that cpu block I recommended
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ago%B4s-Review

@ PhazeDelta1 + benqbiggis

According to that review the apogee HD performs lower than most of the other blocks, it has quite high restriction/low flowrate and also has the highest deltaT i.e highest temps.

I would personally recommend the XSPC Raystorm, probably cost less than the others and is one of the best performing blocks currently available. The AC Kryos performs marginally better than the raystorm according to that review linked though with more restriction (can be an issue as loop grows), but will likely cost a lot more and so probably not worth the extra.

XSPC RayStorm High Performance Acetal CPU Liquid Cooling Block - Intel (Sockets LGA 775 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / 2011)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14...1366_2011.html

As for a pump, the laing ddc is a very good pump design and should work great with most loops, you might also want to checkout the variable speed laing D5 based pumps. These are generally preferred over the DDC and due to the variable speed allow for better noise/performance management.

Here's a link to the mcp655 (1/2" ports with 3/8" conversion kit)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/61...GPH.html#blank

Or fully customisable with g 1/4" threaded ports
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16...tl=g30c107s153

If you want the same performance and to save some cash then grab this
Alphacool VPP655 Variable Speed Pump w/ RPM Monitoring - Single Edition
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13...e_Edition.html

The alphacool vpp655 comes with no fittings and will plug directly into the top/res. For any of the pumps above you can pickup a top/res suited to D5/MCP655.

Frozencpu stock the following:
EK D5 X-Res Top 140 Pump Top / Reservoir Combo - Black Acetal (EK-D5 X-RES TOP 140 - Black Acetal)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12...ck_Acetal.html

or the smaller version
EK D5 X-Res Top 100 Pump Top / Reservoir Combo - Black Acetal (EK-D5 X-RES TOP 100 - Black Acetal)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12...tal.html#blank

They are g1/4" so just pickup any fittings and you're good to go

benqbiggis · 08-11-2012, 05:45 | posts: 40 | Location: Brazil

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackZero

@ PhazeDelta1 + benqbiggis

According to that review the apogee HD performs lower than most of the other blocks, it has quite high restriction/low flowrate and also has the highest deltaT i.e highest temps.

I would personally recommend the XSPC Raystorm, probably cost less than the others and is one of the best performing blocks currently available. The AC Kryos performs marginally better than the raystorm according to that review linked though with more restriction (can be an issue as loop grows), but will likely cost a lot more and so probably not worth the extra.

XSPC RayStorm High Performance Acetal CPU Liquid Cooling Block - Intel (Sockets LGA 775 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / 2011)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14...1366_2011.html

As for a pump, the laing ddc is a very good pump design and should work great with most loops, you might also want to checkout the variable speed laing D5 based pumps. These are generally preferred over the DDC and due to the variable speed allow for better noise/performance management.

Here's a link to the mcp655 (1/2" ports with 3/8" conversion kit)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/61...GPH.html#blank

Or fully customisable with g 1/4" threaded ports
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16...tl=g30c107s153

If you want the same performance and to save some cash then grab this
Alphacool VPP655 Variable Speed Pump w/ RPM Monitoring - Single Edition
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13...e_Edition.html

The alphacool vpp655 comes with no fittings and will plug directly into the top/res. For any of the pumps above you can pickup a top/res suited to D5/MCP655.

Frozencpu stock the following:
EK D5 X-Res Top 140 Pump Top / Reservoir Combo - Black Acetal (EK-D5 X-RES TOP 140 - Black Acetal)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12...ck_Acetal.html

or the smaller version
EK D5 X-Res Top 100 Pump Top / Reservoir Combo - Black Acetal (EK-D5 X-RES TOP 100 - Black Acetal)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12...tal.html#blank

They are g1/4" so just pickup any fittings and you're good to go

Thanks a lot dude

out of these 3 which would you pick ?

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14...c323s835#blank

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14...5_CPU-601.html

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14...011.html#blank

and about these ?

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16...c107s153#blank

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/94...c107s153#blank

Veteran · 08-11-2012, 07:48 | posts: 7,405 | Location: United kingdom

Go for the mcp 655 pump(variable speed version)

As for the blocks ive had the Apoogee since early 2010 and it was the best block that you could get at the time,although there are better blocks now regarding restriction flow etc the gains that you get will be minimal as all custom watercooling setups are only as strong as the weakest link in the chain.

Go with any block that you fancy out of those as there all good.

I would still put a silver coil in your reservoir,it wont do you any harm and will last much longer than any liquid based biocide.

Ive had my loop running for nearly 3 years with the same water,ive never changed it and my temps are still the same and my performance is still the same,i put this down to useing silver coil+PT nuke(2 drops) and the fact that i dont and never will use coolants with fancy colours as they do nothing but clog up and stain your blocks over long periods of time,hence ive never had this problem as everything i use is clean.

BlackZero · 08-11-2012, 14:19 | posts: 8,078 | Location: United Kingdom

Quote:

Originally Posted by benqbiggis

Thanks a lot dude

out of these 3 which would you pick ?

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14...c323s835#blank

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14...5_CPU-601.html

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14...011.html#blank

and about these ?

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16...c107s153#blank

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/94...c107s153#blank

I'd still take the raystorm, performs about the same as the DD and also costs 20 USD less.

Regarding the pumps, as stated in my last post the D5/mcp655 based pumps are better than the laing DDC so it would have to be the mcp655 out of those two. Though you might want to consider the Alphacool VPP655 with the top/res combo in my last post for the same performance and some cash savings as well.

Also about restriction in blocks, restriction will effect the loop's overall flow rate and pressure based on the pump's head pressure, or in the case of a closed loop the dynamic head pressure. The more restriction you add the more this pressure will start to drop and the lower the flow rate will become.

The pressure will also drop as you add more fittings/tubing/blocks and this can start to become a hindrance to loop performance. Overall with the mcp655/D5 you are unlikely to face any flow rate based issues in a typical or even extended pc water cooling loop however you need to also consider that the pump comes with a 5 speed gauge and the lower the overall loop restriction is the lower you will be able to set the pump speed and this will help with noise, heat and power usage. Regardless, it is always good practice to buy the lowest restriction blocks if the performance is as good as the alternative.

PhazeDelta1 · 08-11-2012, 23:19 | posts: 9,344 | Location: 90° N

Sorry for the misinformation in my last post, I read those graphs wrong. It appears I am in need of new contacts.

benqbiggis · 08-13-2012, 21:31 | posts: 40 | Location: Brazil

thanks guys for the help

my last doubts are

between this 2 radiators

XSPC - EX480
MCR420-XP

and this 2 pumps

PMP-450S
MCP655

???

BlackZero · 08-14-2012, 18:06 | posts: 8,078 | Location: United Kingdom

Quote:

Originally Posted by benqbiggis

thanks guys for the help

my last doubts are

between this 2 radiators

XSPC - EX480
MCR420-XP

and this 2 pumps

PMP-450S
MCP655

???

Radiators, very similar performance.

The swiftech has a fin density of 20FPI, whereas the ex480 has dual rows of 19FPI. They will react similarly to fan rpm and are probably best suited for around 1200 to 1800rpm. Not many reviews on the MCR420-XP but as the fin density has been increased on these compared to the older models they will perform slightly better at higher rpm.

MCR420

Material: Brass tubes and chassis, copper fins
Colour: Satin black
Connection thread size: G1/4"
Outer dimensions (LxWxH): 522 x 128 x 37mm
Weight: 1048g
Fan thread size: UNC 6-32

EX480

- Copper and Brass Core
- Black Matt Paint Finish
- RoHS Compliant
- Dimensions: 121 x 35.5 x 515mm (WxDxH)
- Weight: ~843g
- Ports: G1/4″
- Screws: 6-32 UNC

The dimensions are also similar with the mcr being slightly bigger and thicker.

Make your choice based on space available and cost. If you are after a quieter system with lower rpm fans on the radiator then I would recommend an xspc rx480. Though it is a thicker radiator.

Pumps. Again very similar, both based around the laing D5 and have variable speed settings. Choose based on cost.

Looking at pure performance martin describes the koolance as the “King of Pumping Power”.

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2011/03/...5-strong-pump/

benqbiggis · 08-28-2012, 12:56 | posts: 40 | Location: Brazil

Hi guys,

I have another doubt now about liquid cooling

I was buying this water http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=30634 plus this dead water http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=30213

but in my city i can find standard distilled/demineralized waters for general purpose much cheaper (obvious i'll keep using here the dead water)

I'm wondering if there is a big difference in that WC distilled water to a standard distilled/demineralized waters ?

BlackZero · 08-28-2012, 13:40 | posts: 8,078 | Location: United Kingdom

No difference worth worrying about.

Martin did an interesting article on this.
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/03/...-water-purity/

benqbiggis · 09-22-2012, 01:20 | posts: 40 | Location: Brazil

hi guys

in each hole i connect the tubing from reser to push water ?

i'm afraid to &¨&¨#@ my pump pushing air

PhazeDelta1 · 09-22-2012, 01:40 | posts: 9,344 | Location: 90° N

That's why you prime it before hand. Usually when you fill the res, the water will trickle down into the pump.

mitzi76 · *Last edited by mitzi76; 09-22-2012 at 13:12.*

Quote:

Originally Posted by benqbiggis

hi guys

in each hole i connect the tubing from reser to push water ?

i'm afraid to &¨&¨#@ my pump pushing air

first time you do it be prepared to add more liquid fast. the pump will get through the liquid/coolant very quick so you need to be there topping up as soon as is necessary.

also after a few mins you'll need to add more and then more when the air is flushed out.

can take a good 30+ mins to get the right level plus all the air out. maybe longer....

p.s i dont use coolant. i do use pt nuke.

p.p.s with hindsight i would have got the xspc dual drive bay res+pump but my dk5 pump + res combo does a good job. (even though have had a res crack and also the threads are tricky and I lose a lot of liquid due to evaporation).

benqbiggis · 10-27-2012, 21:21 | posts: 40 | Location: Brazil

guys

i was thinking to water block my two gtx580

my CPU and full mobo are already blocked with a MCR420-XP (quad) radiator and an Alphacool VPP655 (1500l/h) pump.

do you guys think this rad and pump can cooling fine ?
this pump can flow water through this big loop ? this rad can cool the hot water ?

BlackZero · 10-27-2012, 22:16 | posts: 8,078 | Location: United Kingdom

As long as the water is flowing the pump isn't going to make much difference. That pump is one of the better ones, it will be fine. I would consider adding at least another 240mm radiator.

benqbiggis · 10-28-2012, 19:03 | posts: 40 | Location: Brazil

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackZero

As long as the water is flowing the pump isn't going to make much difference. That pump is one of the better ones, it will be fine. I would consider adding at least another 240mm radiator.

do u mean a loop like this ?

reser > pump > CPU > mobo > 240 rad > GPU 2 > GPU 1 > rad quad >....

BlackZero · 10-28-2012, 19:55 | posts: 8,078 | Location: United Kingdom

Quote:

Originally Posted by benqbiggis

do u mean a loop like this ?

reser > pump > CPU > mobo > 240 rad > GPU 2 > GPU 1 > rad quad >....

Yes. Though, it will make very little difference where you place the radiator. I would just place it where ever it fits conveniently.

pcgamers · 12-15-2012, 05:58 | posts: 303 | Location: MYS

Hi Guys,

I hope sifus here can give me some guide for my custom WC setup since this is the most expensive setup I've ever build (actually 2nd time only ;p). The 1st time I'm doing WC was just a simple cpu loop not like this one.

My questions here:
1. Can a D5 Vario dual bay pump/res handle my setup for a long run or I need another loop for better result?

2. At first I use RX360 to cool both my GPUs but 2nd 7970 runs 6-10deg hotter than my 1st GPU so I dont like it. Then I put another 120rad to cool my 2nd GPU however the temp wont improve at all

. So should I keep the 120 rad or just remove it and use older setup with single 360rad for both GPUs?

3. Could you pls advise what is the best casing to setup a high end WC system? as I found HAF-X wasnt good enough for WC due to insufficient space for rads/res etc..

Thanks in advance

oh btw, here's my setup:

Pump/Res > EK360rad > CPU > RX360rad > GPU1 > TFC120rad > GPU2 > Pump/Res

picture:

yasamoka · 01-10-2013, 18:56 | posts: 981 | Location: Lebanon

@pcgamers: can you please update us on the current status of your water loop? I'm interested to know what happened as I've built a similar loop but haven't put the 2nd 7970 in yet.

mitzi76 · 03-23-2013, 15:44 | posts: 7,057 | Location: UK

just tested alphacool res+pump (repack dual laing d5)

http://www.thewatercoolingshop.co.uk...mps-15169.html

the fillport at the front is handy and temps seem to be down a good 5c so far lower at least. well just played wot and max temp was 44c, n thats with side of case off. previous was around 55c.

early days yet but so far glad i upgraded (cept for the hd i fried).

Veteran · 03-23-2013, 16:09 | posts: 7,405 | Location: United kingdom

Thats a good price for the res and pump combined.
Best pump you can get in my opinion (655), I have 2 of them

mitzi76 · 03-23-2013, 16:33 | posts: 7,057 | Location: UK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veteran

Thats a good price for the res and pump combined.
Best pump you can get in my opinion (655), I have 2 of them

can see the water and its lvl now which is great. def recommend this combo although it was a toss up between this and the xspc with the laing d5 vario.

wish i had gone dual drive bay res in the first place, still i dont think the alphacool repack was out then..

p.s shop is midlands so is nice to support a local business. friendly guy as well.