X1950XT BottleNeck

[Matt.Higgins]

Hey Guys i am new here just need to now

i just had a Asus EAX1950XT 256mb graphics card for crimbo

first thing i did was do a 3Dmark05 test and when i only got 7453
i have

pentium 4 3.4ghz
RAM 2gb corsair 667 dual channel
asus p5b mobo
650watt
EAX1950XT graphics

7453
i was shocked i seen some with 9000+

i read somewhere about CPU bottlenecking can you explain to a newbie what this is please

or do i have a fault with the card i really dont no what to do

if you could help me i would be very thankfull

[Cadoam]

Yes, it is a CPU bottleneck, A CPU bottleneck is when your CPU ( you have a P4 ) isn't fast enough for your video card, and your video card has to wait up for your CPU. The entire Pentium 4 line is bad in benchmarking, Intel opted to sell by showing " oh wow, look it runs at 3 ghz, and that equivelent AMD product is only 2ghz, lets get the 3ghz one!" But in reality the amount of actual work they do in one CPU cycle, is far less then AMD, allowing the AMD to be faster... Get what I mean? kinda hard to explain.

[Matt.Higgins]

yeah man

exactly now what you mean

when i was buying i was look "WOW LOOK ITS 3.4ghz AMD for same price 2 something" they sucked me in

i didnt realise the memory controller stuff on AMD chip, DAM IT!

does this mean a new processor

[guruboy]

They always said ati video card were not so needy of the cpu
Maybe the new ATI video cards ,, just suck,, and they got to blame it on something !!!

[Matt.Higgins]

hmm.....
how come people with the same card are gettin 11,000 with AMD and C2D processors

[Laykun]

Originally Posted by guruboy

They always said ati video card were not so needy of the cpu
Maybe the new ATI video cards ,, just suck,, and they got to blame it on something !!!

What a load of bollocks. ATi cards CAN'T be CPU independant, they need to recieve the same information from the CPU as any nVidia card. Calculate your geometry data, run your Direct X shader programs, run it off to the GPU. There isn't some sort of magical link between the CPU and your graphics card, that link is Direct X and your video driver, depending on how fast your CPU can feed your graphics card information from these programs determines how much of a bottleneck you have. Not to mention that in games your CPU may get tied up with other calculations, like physics, AI, sound, and may not even have time to commit to outputting graphics information.

It is time for a new CPU.

[terrastrife]

Originally Posted by Matt.Higgins

hmm.....
how come people with the same card are gettin 11,000 with AMD and C2D processors

because the A64 and Core 2 architecture is waaaay waaaay waaaaay faster then the P4 Netburst architecture. you will need a P4/PD close to 4.3Ghz to match even a lowly 2.4Ghz A64, or a 2Ghz Core 2.

[Matt.Higgins]

thanks for the help chaps

every time someone says something i learn summit new

processors though i aint to sure who is the best how about this one

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/s....html?IL-E6600

is it anygood

and would it be worth the up grade, i mean will i actually see changes in the games like armed assault, battlefield, ghost recon

and would it be FPS or just eye candy at same FPS

please if you could help me again thanks

[Tawton9]

Originally Posted by Matt.Higgins

thanks for the help chaps

every time someone says something i learn summit new

processors though i aint to sure who is the best how about this one

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/s....html?IL-E6600

is it anygood

and would it be worth the up grade, i mean will i actually see changes in the games like armed assault, battlefield, ghost recon

and would it be FPS or just eye candy at same FPS

please if you could help me again thanks

Yeah mate..the E6600 is suppose to be really g00d in games..

[Laykun]

Especially when it's overclocked, they are beasts.

[Matt.Higgins]

yes but what are the advantages of buying this new processor

[allstopp]

Originally Posted by Matt.Higgins

yes but what are the advantages of buying this new processor

Well, for starters it's dual core, it has a much better core architecture, runs cooler, overclocks better. And at it's standard 2.4Ghz it will literally run circles around your current CPU 3Ghz.

[Clements]

I'd have to agree with all of the above. Dual-core optimisations are appearing all over the place, and single-core CPUs are no longer cutting the mustard in OS responsiveness, multitasking, multithreaded compression apps (such as WinRAR and 7zip) general applications and even modern (and future) PC games such as ES: Oblivion. The Core 2 Duo E6600 is an excellent choice - being dual-core and all - even one of those two cores is enough to beat any purchasable single-core Netburst chip by a considerable margin. The E6600 also puts most of AMD's current high-end to shame right now too.

[Sfolivier]

"yes but what are the advantages of buying this new processor"

I upgraded from a Athlon XP 3000+, each core of my E6600 is about 5 times faster than my former CPU when I run video encoding. I think your question is pretty much self-answering anyway... (also known as Duh, no offense ). Your processor is slow by today's standard, it's holding your GPU back which means you could have spend a hundred less on a GPU and get the same results. It's time to upgrade or you will never get the best of any new thing you put or run in your computer.

[morfeus02]

Originally Posted by Matt.Higgins

yes but what are the advantages of buying this new processor

well let's say that with my cpu, wich is not the top i get 10330 in 05

Dual core are the future!

the p4 is reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally slow compared to the slowest of dual core cpu

[Matt.Higgins]

Sfolivier

can i ask what do you get in 3Dmark test 05/06 scores

if you could post them please

cause if i get that processor i will have almost the same system as you apart from RAM

thanks

[Sfolivier]

I'm still tweaking my config (everything is still at stock and I'm evn not done finding optimal memory timing), however I'm getting around 6000 with 06 and between 11 and 12000 with 05.

PS: I don't think the memory would matter too much, unless you have some pretty slow modules. What's your timing?

PS: I just ran the demo of Company of Heroes. All maxed out (and with AA), I still get 23 mini, 54 average FPS at 1680x1050 (I think it jumps to 92 average at 1024x768)

[Matt.Higgins]

dude that a big difference to the 7000 i am getting

i clocked my CPU to 3.8ghz and got 8150 3Dmark05 which is a bit better but i think i will get on of thos bad ass chips

i wonder what average frame rate is in game like armed assault

i have 25 as max but because of the bottleneck i get less is this right

increase in FPS with a new CPU

PS also have the same chip set

[Matt.Higgins]

i have the demo i will install it 2morow and tell you my FPS

also does the x1950xt have HDR and what is it, sorry i am a n00b

[terrastrife]

Originally Posted by Matt.Higgins

Sfolivier

can i ask what do you get in 3Dmark test 05/06 scores

if you could post them please

cause if i get that processor i will have almost the same system as you apart from RAM

thanks

<- 11500 in 05 5600 in 06 with system under my forum name. overclocked, the X1950 Pro smacks down its bigger brother the XT and also the 7900GT (cleanly, not by a close margin).

pretty good idea of how much a CPU change will improve your computers gaming performance.

Originally Posted by Matt.Higgins

i have the demo i will install it 2morow and tell you my FPS

also does the x1950xt have HDR and what is it, sorry i am a n00b

yes, and its a pixel shader based lighting effect. makes things look nice and erm, lighty

[Sfolivier]

The 1950Pro is a good card but I like the XT better. You're looking at pro overclocked versus stock XT. What is both are overclocked? And the difference is around 1000 in 3dmark06, that close to 20%. But yeah, the pro is a good card as well.

You get HDR and FSAA at the same time... Which is something you don't get a an nVidia serie 7 card (appart from titles like Far Cry or HL2 that use a integer based "fake" HDR).

[terrastrife]

Originally Posted by Sfolivier

The 1950Pro is a good card but I like the XT better. You're looking at pro overclocked versus stock XT. What is both are overclocked? And the difference is around 1000 in 3dmark06, that close to 20%. But yeah, the pro is a good card as well.

You get HDR and FSAA at the same time... Which is something you don't get a an nVidia serie 7 card (appart from titles like Far Cry or HL2 that use a integer based "fake" HDR).

i meant a 1900XT, not the 1950XT ^^

the Source engine does not work with HDR and AA together, even when you turn them both on... source bug ^^

[Sfolivier]

"the Source engine does not work with HDR and AA together, even when you turn them both on... source bug ^^"

Really??? It surprises me a lot... I'm pretty sure I had both on my rig...

[isidore]

all x1900 & x1950 series have HDR+AA...and change that cpu...with my POS 3200+ stock runing at 2000mhz i get 8730 in 3dmark 05....when i OC it to 2200mhz i get 9721 points...so change the p4

and i don't run the benchmarks with oc in the video card(she's at stock speed's)