Anyone found stable OC app for X1950 Pro? - Page 3

binormalkilla · *Last edited by binormalkilla; 12-05-2006 at 00:13.*

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Originally Posted by Kain

Well, At least I have my card. Already Watercooled but with naked memory and VRM.

Temps in core are 30 Idle and 35ºC load.

Will post results later (first 3Dmark05 result was 10,400).

Nice....idle=42-45C, load (BF2142)=55-60C.............Zalman VF900 Cu LED coming on Wednesday. Sapphire sent a response back saying that I should RMA the card to their RMA dept or newegg.com's, but I don't want to pay for shipping. I asked if I can at least buy the Ultimate X1950 Pro VRM heatsink. I also asked if putting VRAM sinks on the VRMs would void my warrenty. I'll post temp updates as soon as I get the fan installed.

Kain · 12-06-2006, 18:13 | posts: 3,856 | User is Offline

Well, 3dmark 06 results (lower than I expected) are 4400-4500.

Now, I tryed the new ATI Tray Tools and seems to be overclocking well the card.
So, I added the Swiftech ramsking to the VRMs and got it stable but not able to OC a lot. Now, I added a 90mm fan directly to the ramskins and all my problems seem to be solved.

Will post results later.

And please, start posting here instead of making another thread just to say you found a good OCing tool.

Greetings.

InfDaMarvel · 12-06-2006, 18:20 | posts: 3,140 | User is Offline

Yea lol, those vrm need some serious cooling. From what I see the mem can go all the way up to 800, since thats what Saphire has did on their ultimate edition. No clue if it can go farther but that would be nice.

binormalkilla · 12-06-2006, 22:29 | posts: 388 | Location: Arkansas | User is Offline

The Sapphire card is complete BS, and I am RMAing the card for the Powercolor 512Mb model tommorow. I installed the VF900 tonight, and the card would have a core temp of 35C, but mediately would display a black screen, then crash. This is apparently due to the VRMs being naked. I cannot wait any longer to see if the RAMsinks on the VRMs will fix this issue, nor do I care: the Powercolor doesn't have this issue becuase they actually have a X1950 Pro that works out of the box, and that can acually be overclocked worth a damn. I am done with Sapphire for now, unless I see something completely revolutionary. I now have wasted too much time on this, when I could have been studying more for my Cal III final tommorow. Good luck to anyone with the Sapphire card. The Ultimate looks ok, but I am not going to take the risk, as I have spoken to many guys with the Powercolor, and they can OC fine, way beyond what I even dreamed with my Sapphire.

InfDaMarvel · 12-07-2006, 03:53 | posts: 3,140 | User is Offline

I still dont understand why you think those cheap looking heatsinks on the powercolor one is going to help you overclock. Maybe its the area where is exhaust air.

BlueStinger · 12-07-2006, 09:33 | posts: 627 | Location: England | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by InfDaMarvel

I still dont understand why you think those cheap looking heatsinks on the powercolor one is going to help you overclock. Maybe its the area where is exhaust air.

Cheap looking heatsinks? That is an Arctic Cooling Accelero X2. It is an excellent cooler.

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/accel/

InfDaMarvel · 12-07-2006, 12:06 | posts: 3,140 | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by BlueStinger

Cheap looking heatsinks? That is an Arctic Cooling Accelero X2. It is an excellent cooler.

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/accel/

I was talking about the ones on the vrms, I know exactly the performance the X2 brings.

BlueStinger · 12-07-2006, 12:16 | posts: 627 | Location: England | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by InfDaMarvel

I was talking about the ones on the vrms, I know exactly the performance the X2 brings.

I thought as much

Kain · 12-07-2006, 13:14 | posts: 3,856 | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by binormalkilla

The Sapphire card is complete BS, and I am RMAing the card for the Powercolor 512Mb model tommorow. I installed the VF900 tonight, and the card would have a core temp of 35C, but mediately would display a black screen, then crash. This is apparently due to the VRMs being naked. I cannot wait any longer to see if the RAMsinks on the VRMs will fix this issue, nor do I care: the Powercolor doesn't have this issue becuase they actually have a X1950 Pro that works out of the box, and that can acually be overclocked worth a damn. I am done with Sapphire for now, unless I see something completely revolutionary. I now have wasted too much time on this, when I could have been studying more for my Cal III final tommorow. Good luck to anyone with the Sapphire card. The Ultimate looks ok, but I am not going to take the risk, as I have spoken to many guys with the Powercolor, and they can OC fine, way beyond what I even dreamed with my Sapphire.

You need to be faster.

It inly tooked me about 5 minutes to open my case and install a ramsking in the VRMs.

With thism the card was 100% stable (even at several 3dmark loops and FEAR gaming) but not overclockeable.

Now, I installed a fan near ramsinks and its overclockeable again.

Now, I need to tweak in another way the drivers and OCing (since its limited) becuase I have Ilde temps at 25ºC and 30-32ºC at load temps.

Will post pics (of the WCed card) later.

binormalkilla · 12-07-2006, 20:35 | posts: 388 | Location: Arkansas | User is Offline

LOL I wasn't referring to the VF900 install, I was referring to the entire affair of troubleshooting the card crashing. I eventually was directed to the thread at Sapphire tech forums where others had the same issue, but it's all good now, becuase I'm going to get the HIS X1950 Pro. Also, I didn't get the RAMsinks in the mail yet, tech support said that the VF900 should cool the VRMs enough, and I also saw a thread where someone else didn't need the VRMs sinks with the VF900 to run stock speeds, so I think that my card may have been slightly defective....oh well shoulda coulda woulda I'm getting the HIS woo hoo! I would still like to see your pics, Kain, becuase your card sounds like quite the beast! Maybe you could send a pic to ATI and/or Sapphire and show them how to cool an X1950 Pro properly!

Kain · *Last edited by Kain; 12-07-2006 at 21:31.*

Well Well.
Right now, Im running 100% stable at 650/1760.

Here some results:
Temps

Idle
Core: 25ºC
Environment - Ambient: 30ºC
VMR 100% stable with Swiftech ramskins and 90mm fan

Load
Core: 30-32ºC
Environment - Ambient: 33-35ºC
VRM 100% stable.

Here some 2dmark 05 and 06 results.
Im pretty sure there is a CPU bottleneck (seems that this could go up to 12-13k with some E6400-6660.

Kain · *Last edited by Kain; 12-09-2006 at 22:31.*

Ok, this is using the new WarCat drivers from XG.

3dmark 05
Catalyst 6.11: 10,757
Warcat: 11,351

3dmark 06
Catalyst 6.11: 4,800
WarCat: 4,909

This is what I call a more mature driver.

600 extra points for 3dmarlk 05 and more than 100 in 06 reflects a good driver.

Thanks for the link to the driver

Some 3dmark 01 results:

3DMARK 03 RESULTS ALSO:

Kain · *Last edited by Kain; 12-08-2006 at 15:13.*

EDITED BY ME (results added to the post above).

binormalkilla · 12-08-2006, 15:23 | posts: 388 | Location: Arkansas | User is Offline

Kain: glad to see that those Warcats did you some good! I ordered the HIS card today with 2nd day UPS, so it should arrive monday afternoon....I'll post scores then.

Thrall7 · **Memory**: OCZ 6400 1GB@4-4-4-12

I just upgraded my pc and i did a mistake of being too rush about the gfx. My advice is , just don't get the GeCube 1950Pro...

It has the same hs like Diamond and strangely they thought that pointing the noisy airflow to the front was a good idea... Seems impressive at first covering VRM and all. The backplate is "pure" aluminum with copper paint

. I believe the only copper on that hs is on the fins.

Anyway i installed 6.11 drivers & CCC but no OC tab found. I can't enable it anywhere. Beside that, i saw that Sapphire shows temps as well. Mine doesn't seem to have the thermal sensor (enabled?) as i read in Ati tool log.

I used Ati Tool 0.25 beta16 and the memory didn't like me getting my hands on it. It crashed my comp. The core can be o/c'ed a little though.

Get any other card ...just not GeCube

Kain · 12-08-2006, 16:48 | posts: 3,856 | User is Offline

Thrall7

Try using ATI tool .26 BETA version.

Im using ATI Tray Tools (lastest version from 2 or 3 days ago).

The overclocking tab in ATI CCC is named Overdrive (I think so).

Could you post some photos from Gecube?

binormalkilla · *Last edited by binormalkilla; 12-08-2006 at 17:00.*

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrall7

I just upgraded my pc and i did a mistake of being too rush about the gfx. My advice is , just don't get the GeCube 1950Pro...

It has the same hs like Diamond and strangely they thought that pointing the noisy airflow to the front was a good idea... Seems impressive at first covering VRM and all. The backplate is "pure" aluminum with copper paint

. I believe the only copper on that hs is on the fins.

Anyway i installed 6.11 drivers & CCC but no OC tab found. I can't enable it anywhere. Beside that, i saw that Sapphire shows temps as well. Mine doesn't seem to have the thermal sensor (enabled?) as i read in Ati tool log.

I used Ati Tool 0.25 beta16 and the memory didn't like me getting my hands on it. It crashed my comp. The core can be o/c'ed a little though.

Get any other card ...just not GeCube

I would try reinstalling your drivers by doing to following, becuase something isn't right....your card has the LM63 chip that allows temp monitoring, the only difference in the ATI refernece and the vendor card should be minor bios settings, the heatsinks/fans, and such, but you should still have all of the integrated circuit chips, with the exception of the ATI Rage theater chip which controls the video in (I think), as I didn't see this chip on my Sapphire that just RMAd. BTW that sucks about the cu plated Al, becuase I saw a pic of the Diamond, and though "woa" that's a nice HS. Anyhow, do this:
1) Download Driver Cleaner Pro from this site's downloads section.

2) Use the ATI software Uninstall utility to uninstall all of the software (redundant, I know

)

3) Reboot your pc in safe mode by pressing F8 repeatedly when booting. Select safe mode, or safe mode with networking if you think that you may need to access the internet for any reason.

4)Run driver cleaner pro: select ATI, ATI Hydravision, ATI software uninstall utility...pretty much every ATI option availible and clean it. Also, if you have an onboard graphics chipset, as I do (Nvidia), select NVidia and clean. DON'T pick the NForce, or you will uninstall you network card's software (LOL I did this on accident, no biggie though)

5) Reboot your PC in normal mode, and when prompet to install a driver by the "add hardware wizard", just click cancel: it should ask twice, once for primary, once for secondary.

6)Also, make sure that the driver you have is the one for your OS, like XP Pro or Media Center Edition, but this is usually the same driver, at least for my card

7)Run a registry cleaner like Regsupreme Pro (not absolutely necessary, but it will ensure that you remove all of the ATI files that may cause conflict)

8)Install the driver that you have ensure is the right one.

9)If the problem persists, try the same process using the CD driver that came in the box of the card.

10)If this still doesn't work, I would say RMA the card, or search a bit using "GEcube+X1950 Pro+LM63" and see what pops up (no quotes btw)

As I said earlier, you definitely should be able to access Overdrive and the software monitoring.
To further troubleshoot, download Rivatuner 16.2 or ATI Tray Tools and see if you can monitor temps using either one of these.

Your's isn't the 512 Mb Champion Edition, like here:
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...?cid=1&id=2114
I haven't found a spec list on the 256 Mb yet...........

binormalkilla · 12-08-2006, 17:11 | posts: 388 | Location: Arkansas | User is Offline

Thermoelectric cooling on this one. This is the 512, I don't even think a 256 exists, or I couldn't find one at least.....even on GeCube, I searched for "X1950 Pro" and it said "no results!"

Thrall7 · **Memory**: OCZ 6400 1GB@4-4-4-12

I'll try DriverCleaner and reinstall. The reason i haven't tried it already is that my bro got the exact same card and neither of us have temp readings or the Overdrive capabilities through Cat6.11. An older MSI 6600GT of mine, had a temp sensor but MSI had it disabled in BIOS. Had to employ a mod to enable it.

I guess that Ati tool 0.26 doesn't support 1950Pro voltmod by saying it doesn't support the 1950Pro.

As for the pics what do u mean? I'll post some tomorrow. Hope u don't want me to strip the HS off too.

cheerz

binormalkilla · 12-08-2006, 19:01 | posts: 388 | Location: Arkansas | User is Offline

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrall7

I'll try DriverCleaner and reinstall. The reason i haven't tried it already is that my bro got the exact same card and neither of us have temp readings or the Overdrive capabilities through Cat6.11. An older MSI 6600GT of mine, had a temp sensor but MSI had it disabled in BIOS. Had to employ a mod to enable it.

I guess that Ati tool 0.26 doesn't support 1950Pro voltmod by saying it doesn't support the 1950Pro.

As for the pics what do u mean? I'll post some tomorrow. Hope u don't want me to strip the HS off too.

cheerz

Hey, I are you sure that it is the 256 Mb version, becuase I haven't seen it anywhere.....also, what does the heatsink/fan look like? Does it look like the purple thremoelectric one that I showed you above? I searched the GeCube site and it didn't even show that they had an X1950 Pro, even though they obviously do!

Thrall7 · **Memory**: OCZ 6400 1GB@4-4-4-12

I'll post some pics of my own but here's the Gecube link for now:

http://www.gecube.com/products-detai...&prod_id=63438
http://www.gecube.com/products-detai...#Specification

InfDaMarvel · 12-09-2006, 10:15 | posts: 3,140 | User is Offline

Problem with the TEC cooler is it doesnt cool the memory nor do a see a place for it to cool vrms but it might have a different design that doesnt need them to be cooled.

binormalkilla · 12-09-2006, 15:20 | posts: 388 | Location: Arkansas | User is Offline

Hey Thrall, how is the card running after cleaning and reinstalling the driver (s)?

Thrall7 · **Memory**: OCZ 6400 1GB@4-4-4-12

Actually i messed up something during the process... i uninstalled all: CCC, driver, uninstall tool and then without restarting i uninstalled "both" adapters. I used the Add/remove programs in CP. Not any ati utility. After that i entered in Safe Mode and used Driver Cleaner to clean Driver,CCC & Ati uninstall. When i restarted(several times) i had problems with Explorer.exe that didn't let me do pretty much anything. Luckily i restored XP back to the point just before CCC uninstall. So it didn't go that well and i'm kinda scared to try it again.:-). Seems off topic anyway... sorry

Beside that, i couldn't resist taking the HS off to inspect the GDDR3. As u can see it's pretty high quality JUNK... Not at all like Sapphire's layout and VRMs
Samsung K4J55323QG-BC14 chips.I'll check later at Samsung

binormalkilla · *Last edited by binormalkilla; 12-09-2006 at 17:16.*

The BC14 is rated at 700 MHz, I believe. The Sapphire chips are BC12, which are rated at 800MHz.
BTW about the thermoelectric cooling, yea it is pretty inefficient, as it required additional power as more heat is experienced, so with OCing, it can really get wasteful.....then again is supposedly can lower the temp below room temp, according to a review that I read.

Hey Thrall , where did you buy the card? If newegg, then just RMA....you only have to pay for round trip shipping, which will be like $15-20. I did this because my Sapphire X1950 Pro was having VRM issues due to the poorly designed cooling....they had no sinks on the VRMs, only the sinks on the cooler that contacted (allegedly LOL) them.

I would get the HIS model (I ordered this) or the Ultimate X1950 Pro. They are the same price after rebate, and the HIS looks like it has better cooling. All copper heatsinks, seperate heatsinks for the memory, core, and VRMs to prevent heat from migrating from one component to another.