Athlon vs. Duron

04-18-2001, 23:38 | posts: n/a

i wanna buy another amd 400mhz to 900 duron to 1.333 t-bird whats the difference just that t-birds are in the ghz so they call it t-birds? someone help me

Aris · 04-19-2001, 00:11 | posts: 607

Duron's have a little different architecture lower fsb and less cache... It's like intel celeron with PIII... I really like duron chips they are much more stable than t-birds and really cost cheap.

uncleel · 04-21-2001, 15:16 | posts: 751 | Location: Donga Bonga in Bahawalnagar distric

My $42 Duron™ 600 will run @ 1 gig, but I run a "conservative" 800mhz. 
The new 900 looks interesting. 
<A HREF="http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/reviews/cpu/duron_900/" TARGET=_blank> <IMG SRC="http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/reviews/cpu/duron_900/i.gif"> </A>

Dave · 04-21-2001, 15:21 | posts: 8,447 | Location: Lost in boxes

Upon upgrading my pc I encountered chip problems. I own a 1200 Athlon. The shop lent me a duron 800 for a couple of days till they could get the 1200 in. A duron is certainly respectable. 900 would most definitly be interesting.

04-21-2001, 20:04 | posts: n/a

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Aris: 
Duron's have a little different architecture lower fsb and less cache... It's like intel celeron with PIII... I really like duron chips they are much more stable than t-birds and really cost cheap.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> 
actually they don't have a different architecture or lower fsb. T-bird 200fsb duron 200fsb also the durons have the same floating point unit as the t-birds only when compared to the new t-birds with 266fsb but durons are supposed to be gettin that soon too.....they do have less cache though but, it's a combined cache unlike the intel cache that whatever is in l1 cache can be repeated in l2. 
i'd go with an 800 duron and overclock it they can't go over 1ghz very far so gettin a 900 and overclockin' it to the same as the 800 would is kinda dumb but, if ya don't want to overclock get the 900. 
 
celerons are the ones that did have the lower fsb a friend is pretty sure that the celerons don't have an onboard cache too. This message was edited by WeaZel on 21 Apr 2001 02:20 PM

uncleel · 04-21-2001, 21:47 | posts: 751 | Location: Donga Bonga in Bahawalnagar distric

That review is pretty interesting. New 900 is a .18 micro core w/25 million transistors (compared w/ Athlon 37 million) 
Basically w/ the fastest (non-OC'ed ) budget cpu, it puts *ntel in dire straights & may be the Death <IMG SRC="http://www.guru3d.com/forum/usericons/21.gif"> Knell for Celeron™

Aris · 04-22-2001, 23:14 | posts: 607

WeaZel 
 
I agree that the first Athlons had 200Mhz fsb but the case is that now they have 266Mhz and people buy them instead. As for the architecture I really thing it must be different since a Duron is slower than an Athlon on the same system and also it's more stable (ofcourse there is the cache matter). 
 
But I'm not really sure so you maybe right for the architecture stuff <IMG SRC="smileys/cool.gif">

04-22-2001, 23:54 | posts: n/a

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Aris: 
WeaZel 
I agree that the first Athlons had 200Mhz fsb but the case is that now they have 266Mhz and people buy them instead. As for the architecture I really thing it must be different since a Duron is slower than an Athlon on the same system and also it's more stable (ofcourse there is the cache matter). 
But I'm not really sure so you maybe right for the architecture stuff <IMG SRC="smileys/cool.gif"><HR></BLOCKQUOTE> 
 
also the celerons have always been like that(lower Fsb). pII100mhzfsb celeron 66mhz. PIII coppermine 133mhz, celeron2(?)100mhz fsb.

Aris · 04-22-2001, 23:59 | posts: 607

I think celerons aren't going to be around for long. They will be replaced P3s and P3s will be replaced by P4. 
 
Which I think is a good thing <IMG SRC="smileys/smile.gif">

Dave · 04-23-2001, 00:12 | posts: 8,447 | Location: Lost in boxes

Aris, I hope you are right, for Amd's sake. If I were to be buying a celeron or duron, and looked at the mobo compatibility and intels new choices were two totally different setups. Skip that, I'd be looking at the difficulty of a simple chip upgrade later on. The prices drop ya know! Amd makes it too easy.

Aris · 04-23-2001, 00:25 | posts: 607

I think Intel also plunning to release PIII @1.2Ghz

04-24-2001, 00:19 | posts: n/a

Sorry ARIS 
Duron does have a 200FSB but their are some other changes along with a total of only 192k cache

04-24-2001, 05:29 | posts: n/a

I have tested the durons, the 200 fsb tbirds , and the 266 fsb tbirds. For the smartest $ spent, I would go with an 800 Duron, Abit kt7a mobo, and a Swiftech 462 heatsink and fan. With good airflow and a decent case and PS, you would easily run 1050-1100 mhz. Add a geforce 64 mb. Pro and you've got a great gaming system. <IMG SRC="smileys/wink.gif">

04-24-2001, 05:56 | posts: n/a

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by TOO-TURBS: 
Sorry ARIS 
Duron does have a 200FSB but their are some other changes along with a total of only 192k cache<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> 
right but that's a combined cache........whatever is in l1 won't/can't be repeated in l2. where.........did i not already say this?!?

05-14-2001, 09:19 | posts: n/a

Celeron has an inclusive cache architecture while the Duron's cache is exclusive. This only means that the Celeron wastes 32k of L2 cache while the Duron utilizes all of it. The fact that the Celeron has a higher hit rate in the L1 then Duron does not compensate for its other shortcomings(FSB,FPU,etc). The Duron is simply and Athlon with half of the L2 cache memory. Both use the same 200MHz EV6 FSB with the exception of the rev. C T-bird(266MHz) along with the same socket andeverything else. All else aside, NOTHING comes close to the Duron's price/performance ratio. And considering that it allows an easy upgrade path (swap only 1 chip!) it just can't be beat. <IMG SRC="smileys/bounce.gif">

05-16-2001, 01:10 | posts: n/a

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jeff: 
I have tested the durons, the 200 fsb tbirds , and the 266 fsb tbirds. For the smartest $ spent, I would go with an 800 Duron, Abit kt7a mobo, and a Swiftech 462 heatsink and fan. With good airflow and a decent case and PS, you would easily run 1050-1100 mhz. Add a geforce 64 mb. Pro and you've got a great gaming system. <IMG SRC="smileys/wink.gif"><HR></BLOCKQUOTE> 
 
Fact is, Durons are very similar to T-Birds. They just don't have as much cache. You won't "easily" get a Duron past 1GHz though. I've seen very few running much past 1050, and that's with some sort of radical cooling. Mine runs great at 1039, but won't go any higher until I do the KT7A voltage mod. I've heard of Duron 800's doing 1.2GHz at higher voltage with a peltier. I have one on the way. <IMG SRC="smileys/cool.gif"> 
 
 
Oh yeah, at 138, that means my CPU FSB is at 276. I don't know where that 200MHz schitt comes from. <IMG SRC="smileys/rolleyes.gif"> This message was edited by SloppyGoat on 15 May 2001 07:26 PM