27 dead in shooting at Conn. elementary school

Dude was F'd up.
But he's dead.
The perpetrator killed himself, and the person to blame is no more.

But I sympathize in the sense that, the perpetrator who people would want to punish is already dead, and the perpetrator denied people their opportunity to do justice onto him themselves.
So there's no sense of closure, and people still want to do /something/.

40% of homes have guns.
No sense in going after everyone, whenever an individual goes bat sh1t.
Just like you don't ban cars whenever someone runs down someone else.
Discounting the 90% of gun crimes that are suicides (I'm not gonna tell anyone that they can't do what they will with themselves), the remainder leaves guns far less deadly than cars. And we don't freak out when we see a car. So no sense in freaking out now.

-scheherazade

 

if that account was just made today, then the cops need to investigate that guy.

 

well said.

 

Kind of hard for gun control to work properly if no one around you is doing the same so pointing to this as an example just doesn't wash.Plus it wasn't a rifle though he did have one in the car it was 2 hand guns.
My heart goes out to the parents and family members of the dead.

 

Over half a year old

 

Cowards.

At least if you are that depressed/sad have the balls to take your own life, not other innocents.

 

This is terrible. People at my work are leaving to pic up there kids from school. Some are shaking.. We cannot believe this. CNN is saying A 24 year old. Killed his dad. Drove to new jersy. Killed his older brother and his girlfriend. Then drove to Connecticut and killed his mom and entire kidney garden class of 20 5 year olds at the school his mom worked at. Then cops killed him. I don't know what to say but death is to good for this idiot.

 

beggars belief truly it does.

 

fvcked up, and I live just a few miles from the shooter, Hoboken, NJ

 

So true. Seriously.

 

Fox and CNN cocking up big time with the identity of the perp.

 

I'd distinguish between typical gun crime, and events like this.
Most gun crime motivation is financial.
In the exceptionally rare case, it's simply some crazy.

Comments in spoiler block, as I don't want to derail...

Spoiler

Dealing with 'gun crime' isn't simple, particularly with all-out bans.
1) Firearm hunting becomes impossible.
2) Sport shooting becomes impossible
3) Police can't help you, they only come after the fact to clean up. Self defense use becomes impossible.
4) Most people that would turn-in their guns, are not a danger to begin with.
5) Typical criminals still retain their firearms (Felons already aren't allowed to own them, so why turn them in after a ban? Just to get charged with possession?). So you do nothing to reduce typical gun crime.

Typical gun crime, IMO, is better dealt with social engineering and programs to reduce poverty.
Gangs have existed forever, and people have been getting mugged forever.
A large blade is deadlier than a bullet, and almost all shootings happen within a yard or so anyways.
People need help to not be in a situation that would make them resort to violence.

But when it comes to crazy, I'm not sure what you can do.
Without a gun, would the perpetrator just made pipe bombs?
Maybe a pike? Ninja sword? Hell, I donno.
I suspect less people would have died.
But - it's also the rare case.
And it's not sensible to make policy motivated by crazy.

IMO the story would be different if guns had never been available.



And another factor also comes out, which is :
Why should our employees have more rights than we do?
The government works for us. They're not our leaders, we are their leaders.
We pay them to represent us (i.e. do what we want).
If we can't have guns, I don't want the government having guns either.
Frankly, I'm more worried about a police officer shooting me than a criminal shooting me.
They're jumpy, paranoid, stressed out, and all over the place.
A police officer is 8x as likely of committing murder than a typical person. And that's "outside the line of duty" - not police action that's later ruled as unnecessary.





In regards to weapon choice...

Handguns are the weapon of choice for crimes.

You could comfortably say that ~all gun crime (in the typical sense that people imagine... i.e. armed robbery), is committed with a handgun.
And similarly, ~all other gun types are not even a factor in gun crime.

But that's usually because a handgun can be concealed, and most criminals intend to get away with what they're doing.

It's hard to leave an area where there was a loud "bang", with a long gun, and expect no one to notice you...

(Also helps that a cheap handgun can be gotten under $100, and a long rifle will be 5x that, and an AR will be 10x that - and people with money to waste /usually/ don't need/want to commit violent crimes)

However, since in this example the perpetrator committed suicide - I suspect that he may have intended to kill himself all along.
And if he did intend to kill himself all along, I'm honestly surprised that he'd leave a long gun in the car.

I find gun control proposed policy to be a bit 'wacky' - in the sense that the focus tends to be on rifles/ARs, because of "crime", when rifles/ARs aren't even a real factor in crime.

And no politician is willing to ban handguns - I assume because the defensive carry crowd really loves them, and it's a harder task to accomplish a handgun ban given all the support.

But the effort to ban ARs that happens regardless of their lack of criminal use, speaks to alternative motives. IMO, it's simply one party representing those in the population that are simply afraid of guns by ideology/paranoia, and less so due to any significantly posed threat. It gets out the vote from that crowd, and it secures government influence in the eventuality that it goes through. Oh well.


Disclaimer :
I'm a sport shooter.
I shoot cans, and range targets.
No hunting (I love animals).
No home defense (Good area, under no threat).
No carry (I don't feel I'm in any particular danger that would warrant it).
I've never shot anyone, and I'd hate to have my rights stripped for no fault of mine.

-scheherazade

 

No surprise there.

 

I have a theory as to why this happened (actually I have a few) along with the batman massacre... But I'll keep those too myself.


This is some really brutal sh!t right here, even a complete psychopath/sociopath would have to have at least some comprehension of when to stop.


I still believe the world will come to an end by the hands of man...

 

Some peoples minds are broken. -_- so sad that this kind of thing can happen.

 

Sad times. I can see calls for gun control on this. Shame it's a deranged minority that bring it about.

 

First off prayers goes out to all the Kids and there Families , Its going to be a long road to Recovery


We can already see that the Oboma Admin and all the democrats well be exploiting this tragedy for there own political agenda along with the liberal media

Another tragedy , This ones in China
Knife-wielding man injures 22 children in China

http://www.courant.com/sns-rt-us-china-stabbingsbre8bd065-20121213,0,5592318.story

 

It would be hard returning toys for kids who aren't there to open them on Christmas morning.

 

I wonder why no one is reporting that story.

 

Communism?