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Default 06-05-2017, 00:18 | posts: 13,053 | Location: Scotland

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Most of the porn you watch nowadays could very well have links to underworld cartels.
1, evidence of this

2, does that mean it's okay to spy and record every activity on the internet you might do in case of "jihadis"

ISIS is a crazy oppressive regime, what sort of mind games do you need to play to think they're running eastern European porn rings

ISP's can now record everything, iplayer says you must now click yes to having a TV license. The people in detector vans are an independent company making commission from strong arming people into signing up. New snoopers charters laws what's to stop virgin/bt/whoever selling this info to the ISPs then onto the private company "tv detection" vans.

This is a small example.

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Default 06-05-2017, 00:23 | posts: 3,752 | Location: UK

I don't usually curse, but what a ****ing cretin of a woman to use this event as political gain for her and her parties politics, i just can't convey my disgust at this, heartless selfserving bastards every last one of them.

Angry rant over.
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 00:52 | posts: 4,856

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1, evidence of this

2, does that mean it's okay to spy and record every activity on the internet you might do in case of "jihadis"

ISIS is a crazy oppressive regime, what sort of mind games do you need to play to think they're running eastern European porn rings.
I was thinking more along the lines of prostitution. Many people have voiced concern about this for many years. Modern porn is very demeaning to women too. An example of this is if you look at, say a porn movie from the 1970's or 80's and compare to the ones now. The differences are shocking.
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 01:13 | posts: 13,053 | Location: Scotland

You are talking whole other ball games compared to this.

May has been harping on about this nonsense for a while. Porn is an old time "big bad" the kids can't see this. And it's a thinly veiled excuse for total control extreme internet surveillance.

Are you really ok with the idea of "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to loose"? This is media censorship on a bad scale

If you want to fix this, fix the background behind the exploitation of women in eastern Europe
   
 
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Default 06-05-2017, 03:10 | posts: 118

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I was thinking more along the lines of prostitution. Many people have voiced concern about this for many years. Modern porn is very demeaning to women too. An example of this is if you look at, say a porn movie from the 1970's or 80's and compare to the ones now. The differences are shocking.
We already have laws for those issues. The problem is getting to women before they fall into these traps where they are used and abused and that problem stems from social issues, low wages and poor job opportunities, so they turn to selling themselves or are pressured.

Well off Uni students tend to escort and d ocam work to pay off student debt.

We also have anti trafficking laws, the UK govt didnt care about that. may want to talk about the children, they dont care about hte children:

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A story of rampant child abuse—ignored and abetted by the police—is emerging out of the British town of Rotherham. Until now, its scale and scope would have been inconceivable in a civilized country. Its origins, however, lie in something quite ordinary: what one Labour MP called "not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogersc.../#575becb9754a


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The first cover-up came in 2002. An academic named Adele Gladman had been seconded to Senior’s team, where she collated existing files to show the weight of evidence that already existed against the Hussain brothers. Gladman shared her report with the council, and local and South Yorkshire police commanders, with the result that social services raided Senior’s office and confiscated the files. Gladman was sacked. Information leaked a second time in 2008 when a young policeman took evidence directly from Senior and logged it on the national police computer where it was accessed by Sheffield police.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/wha...g-was-covered/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/351906...girls-victims/

And as of 2016, its still going:

ROTHERHAM ABUSE SCANDAL: Horrific reality of 'industrial scale' child grooming revealed

All this just makes Mays statement even more disgusting.



In a world thats is on this anti fake news and show me your sources business, id like may to present atleast 1 peer reviewed paper that links sex to being the cause of terrorism.
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 03:42 | posts: 19,895 | Location: US East Coast

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Most of the porn you watch nowadays could very well have links to underworld cartels.
Same could be said of cigarettes, cigars and alcohol...


   
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Default 06-05-2017, 06:16 | posts: 5,358 | Location: EU, CZ, Brno

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I thought this was the standard, normal way. To think other countries had it so well people could vote candidates they actually liked.
I am voting here for party which actually wants to give people basic democratic power... REFERENDUM.
Yes, we have no law for referendum and people can't trigger it.

And it happens that same party wants to give people power to remove politician from power by same means.

And it is same party which believes that politician should take responsibility for their actions.

So yes, after many years of choosing between punch to the shoulder and kick to the stomach, there are some alternatives.
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 07:04 | posts: 111

isis is funded by the USA and its allies.


the manchester bombings were likely allowed to occur to suit government policy direction.
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 07:39 | posts: 110 | Location: UK

The top BBC news item on the radio last night about the arrests of people in London had a couple of the 'possibly linked to the internet' lines in it.

Scary times as I have said before.

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An example of this is if you look at, say a porn movie from the 1970's or 80's and compare to the ones now. The differences are shocking.
Very true, we have electric shavers nowadays, some of those 70's bushes are bone chilling.

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Default 06-05-2017, 08:46 | posts: 1,899 | Location: Earth

WAAAIIIITTT

Porn is the EXACT opposite of terrorism.

I mean terrorists take lives, porn (sex) creates it.

We should fight terrorism with porn!!!!

Who is with me?

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Default 06-05-2017, 09:17 | posts: 4,705 | Location: Netherlands

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70's bushes
What that exact Google search came up with
REMOVED

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Default 06-05-2017, 09:35 | posts: 10,627 | Location: Toledo

Yep, its easy to blame something irrelevant to placate people and avoid fixing the root cause.
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 09:56 | posts: 4,856

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Same could be said of cigarettes, cigars and alcohol...
The government can tax those to make money though.....
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 10:31 | posts: 118

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The government can tax those to make money though.....
Unlike religion, the porn industry pays tax. The porn industry has even done more to encourage safe sex than all the religious entities who oppose contraception and sex before marriage.

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Default 06-05-2017, 13:14 | posts: 4,856

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Unlike religion, the porn industry pays tax. The porn industry has even done more to encourage safe sex than all the religious entities who oppose contraception and sex before marriage.
The last time I checked porn was free on the internet and has been for a number of years.
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 13:24 | posts: 118

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The last time I checked porn was free on the internet and has been for a number of years.
What you use maybe for free, but the majority of it is pirated. The companies that produce it still pay taxes.

site likes the well known ones are the equivalent of sites that let you stream full movies and anime. Its pirated content.
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 13:27 | posts: 9,941 | Location: Amir0x did nothing wrong

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WAAAIIIITTT

Porn is the EXACT opposite of terrorism.

I mean terrorists take lives, porn (sex) creates it.

We should fight terrorism with porn!!!!

Who is with me?
Absolutely Haram!

You must go on without me

   
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Default 06-05-2017, 13:47 | posts: 4,856

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What you use maybe for free, but the majority of it is pirated. The companies that produce it still pay taxes.

site likes the well known ones are the equivalent of sites that let you stream full movies and anime. Its pirated content.
That's my point. I'd say 95% of people who visit porn sites will never pay any money, why would they? So they can put anything they want on there. Which makes it a very dangerous place. No one is getting paid on these site, it's all homemade.
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 13:48 | posts: 118

And now they're going after Youtube!

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Counter-terrorism officers secretly recorded an alleged Isil-inspired terror cell in Barking last month discussing how to use YouTube to plot a van and knife attack in London, The Daily Telegraph can reveal.
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An unnamed friend of one of the terrorists claimed he had reported the man to the police anti-terrorist hotline after he became radicalised by watching extremist videos on YouTube. He said the attacker had listened to hate speeches by the infamous American Islamist Ahmad Musa Jibril.
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He said the plot would involve driving at pedestrians and then getting out of the vehicle to attack others. He added: “YouTube videos all make it properly easy to do.”
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/...piZ?li=BBqdmGR
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 13:51 | posts: 4,856

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And now they're going after Youtube!







http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/...piZ?li=BBqdmGR
It can never be regulated because it has become to big to manage. Unless the videos get flagged. Even then there must be thousands that fall under all different criteria.
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 18:10 | posts: 3,103

Sorry can I ask who exactly is making the causal link here between porn and terrorism? Is it the people responding in this thread, my understanding is that the Conservatives have always had a major hard-on (no pun intended) for internet regulation time and again using the excuses of violent porn being linked to violent sexual crime (or 'won't someone PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!') and preventing terrorism as the primary reasons. I can't remember them actually stepping forward and saying porn = terrorism.

That link seems to have been made by the people responding in this thread.

No matter, knowing how long the Tories have wanted to push this agenda it is frankly disgusting that they are using this atrocity as an opportunity to push this utterly ridiculous agenda. Not only is it ridiculous on a technical level, given how many alternative channels and means are available for people who do not want to be caught to communicate with each other, it is ridiculous on a practical level since the majority of ISPs have already stated they neither have the means or the intentions to monitor the activity of it's users and that's before you get on to the whole area of it just being a plain and simple breach of a persons right to privacy.
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 18:13 | posts: 4,856

It all depends on how you use the internet. For me personally I use it as a means to learn new stuff. I do like my YT videos from my selected channels. But other than that not much else. I don't use social media either.
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 18:21 | posts: 7,353 | Location: Wolverhampton/United Kingdom

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She should take a closer look at the prison system to do something about terrorism.
Oh she has already done this.

Her husband basically owns the security company G4S, who have not long got the contract to now supply all prisons in the UK (including young offenders) with prison guards.....

I wonder who helped push that deal through then??

I HATE the conservatives, and its a shame that will win this week. I have read both Labour and Tory manifesto's (yes, every page). Labour has by far, the most fair, and well structured beliefs and ideas for this countries future. Tories have and always will be focused on taking care of their own, the rich, privileged, spoon-fed millionaires of this country.

Makes me sick to hear people at my work talk about how they are voting Tory and they have not even read anything about either party. They just seem to blame immigration (which this country was built on), they seem to all hate the EU.

Makes me sick to my stomach. It won't be a landslide victory like she wanted but they will still win. All I hope for now is they lose a lot of seats on the commons and lose a lot of power there. Or we get a hung parliament where it will Labour who will win by forming another coalition with either Lib Dem's or SNP.
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 18:27 | posts: 979 | Location: ...........In a corrupt country

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WAAAIIIITTT

Porn is the EXACT opposite of terrorism.

I mean terrorists take lives, porn (sex) creates it.

We should fight terrorism with porn!!!!

Who is with me?
With you all the way.
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Default 06-05-2017, 18:51 | posts: 9,941 | Location: Amir0x did nothing wrong

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Oh she has already done this.

Her husband basically owns the security company G4S, who have not long got the contract to now supply all prisons in the UK (including young offenders) with prison guards.....

I wonder who helped push that deal through then??

I HATE the conservatives, and its a shame that will win this week. I have read both Labour and Tory manifesto's (yes, every page). Labour has by far, the most fair, and well structured beliefs and ideas for this countries future. Tories have and always will be focused on taking care of their own, the rich, privileged, spoon-fed millionaires of this country.

Makes me sick to hear people at my work talk about how they are voting Tory and they have not even read anything about either party. They just seem to blame immigration (which this country was built on), they seem to all hate the EU.

Makes me sick to my stomach. It won't be a landslide victory like she wanted but they will still win. All I hope for now is they lose a lot of seats on the commons and lose a lot of power there. Or we get a hung parliament where it will Labour who will win by forming another coalition with either Lib Dem's or SNP.
Well... good luck. Difficult times ahead, I hope you guys do alright.
   
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