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Default 05-21-2017, 14:48 | posts: 8,155 | Location: Kansas, USA

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The rise and fall of Crytek. If their next upcoming game doesn't sell, I think it'll be the nail in the coffin. For Crysis, they really screwed up the story line. I mean in C1 you had these aliens with flying machines that could freeze their environment which in turn kills everything while producing tornadoes n such and they stupidly adapt to the very environment that humans thrive in while abandoning their anti gravity machines....stupid.

If you can change the weather to the extreme environment that your enemies cannot deal with, you use that to defeat them which means you save from physically fighting them instead. Yeah let me step out of my flying octopus here, don on my exo skeleton suit that apparently doesn't resist bullets too well and jump attack on these guys over there that have some pretty heavy fire power cause...why not?
Where did the aliens put those hundreds of flying octopus's that we saw in the distance at the end of Crysis 1? Did they bury them? Give them away in a raffle?

Unfortunately Farcry 1 was Crytek's greatest achievement and in retrospect, the gameplay wasn't all that. Then they took a great idea that was Robinson Journey and made it trash by turning it into a walking sim with a bunch of climbing stuff that was a chore to do not to mention made for horrid gameplay.

Crytek gets exactly what they deserve imo.
Crytek made changes to the Ceph's design because of feedback from gamers. People didn't like the aliens in the first Crysis, there were tons of complaints and negative feedback on their design, fighting them... all of it.

And personally, I was glad. Fighting the Ceph in Crysis was easily the worst part of the game. While the snow/cold look to the final levels looked cool... it was used poorly.
Adding a cheap gameplay gimmick to funnel you down a narrow, set path. Forcing you to forget everything you learned from the first half of the game. Exploring, taking your time... playing (kind of) how you wanted.
Dropped in favor of forcing you into a narrow path, escort mission that requires you to stop every few feet and warm yourself.

The Ceph becoming a major enemy in the final levels of Crysis didn't evolve the gameplay or move it forward. It stalled it, almost grinding to a halt or even pulling it backwards.


Crytek's recent problems came from them over-expanding. They grew the studio far too quickly. There was no need for 10+ different studios around the world.
But, after the success of the Crysis series they made some poor business decisions.
Personally, I hope for the best for them. They are a talented studio that have made some great games in the past.
I didn't play Ryse on PC because you can't remap controls... and playing with WSAD is uncomfortable for me.

I hope one day they get the chance to make another shooter.
But, them changing the Ceph design in Crysis 2 and 3 was them doing the one thing people claim developers don't do. Listen to the players.
   
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Default 05-21-2017, 15:07 | posts: 1,874 | Location: Mars

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To be fair, Crysis had low and medium settings, no one put a gun to their head saying they had to play at Ultra mega maxed out mode. It's like PC gamer's refused any setting below pics displayed online.
This was another big problem with Crysis, when it was released we could play every other game at max settings without any problem. In my case i had an overclocked E6400 with a 8800GT (my favourive GPU so far!) and i could run games like Bioshock and Call of Duty 4 maxed out without any problem at 1080p. Crysis i had to play it at medium settings... Many people couldnīt accept this fact and didnīt buy/like the game because of this issue. Ironic that Crysis in medium settings looked much better than all the other games at max settings...

The gameplay of Crysis, i really like it even after the aliens appear the same way i like Far Cry even after the monsters appear although those guys are hard as hell!

As for the story, yea itīs stupid and senseless but i donīt care because, itīs only there to provide context nothing more. The same way i donīt care Mario keeps losing and saving the princess or that 90% of stories are about saving the world/universe from evil/darkness/whatever...
If i really care about stories in games, i would have stopped playing them a long time ago...

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Default 05-21-2017, 15:16 | posts: 8,155 | Location: Kansas, USA

Yeah.
I know several people who canceled their pre-orders after playing the demo because of the performance.
Partially because a lot of Crytek's talk about how well it would run on various hardware seemed like BS after the demo.
But, also a lot of people couldn't find a good balance. For some, it was either "make it look worse then FarCry, or have it unplayable."

And, I remember a friend telling me... "Why pay for something that I can only play if it looks worse then FarCry? I own FarCry, I'll just play it again"
   
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Default 05-21-2017, 20:27 | posts: 17,643 | Location: Glasgow

Yeah, it was common to see people talk about pirating it until they had the hardware to max it.

It pretty much led to the game selling most of the copies at a reduced price, which is why it is pretty much the last big budget PC exclusive.

There have been many PC exclusive FPS since then though, just not big budget stuff.

The game is definitely poorly optimised as well as it still runs crappy, and even the devs admitted optimisation was not the priority.
I remember when Crysis 2 was released and wishing the original game would be ported to the CE3 used in Crysis 2 as it would have looked better and performed better.
   
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Default 05-21-2017, 20:48 | posts: 8,155 | Location: Kansas, USA

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Yeah, it was common to see people talk about pirating it until they had the hardware to max it.

It pretty much led to the game selling most of the copies at a reduced price, which is why it is pretty much the last big budget PC exclusive.

There have been many PC exclusive FPS since then though, just not big budget stuff.

The game is definitely poorly optimised as well as it still runs crappy, and even the devs admitted optimisation was not the priority.
I remember when Crysis 2 was released and wishing the original game would be ported to the CE3 used in Crysis 2 as it would have looked better and performed better.
Crytek stated that Crysis would be their last PC exclusive title due to the high level of piracy the game endured.
Which, for 2007, reports showed Crysis was the most pirated game.

It took a while, but Crysis eventually meet their sales goals and turned a profit. But, it took far longer then anyone at Crytek expected.


And, actually, the PS3/Xbox 360 port of Crysis that released a few years back... was on CE3. And while it ran good, it lacked features of the original release, and in some cases... looked a little worse.
   
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Default 05-21-2017, 21:05 | posts: 17,643 | Location: Glasgow

I remember reading an interview a year or so after release and the contempt he had was obvious.

Yeah I actually bought it for the 360, Ģ15 and played about 30 mins, but was meaning for the PC.
   
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Default 05-21-2017, 22:00 | posts: 8,155 | Location: Kansas, USA

It would be interesting on PC. I personally would like the chance to play the original Crysis with the Nanosuit from Crysis 2.
I like the upgrade system in place, and how it lets you really tweak the suit to your playstyle.

Like, replaying the game right now. I just entered the fourth level... and I'm enjoying myself. And really trying to make as much use of the suit as possible.
But, at times, it just feels more fitting to just go in guns blazing and clean them out instead of trying to be creative with your powers.
Mostly because, as this "ultra awesome super suit"... it feels pretty underwhelming. I mean, in armor mode... you can be killed with only a couple shotgun blasts. My super suit is just as strong as Jack's floral shirt in FarCry.


But... Crysis on CE3 on PC, that could be cool. It'll never happen, but would be nice to think about.
Sort of like how Ubisoft did the Special Edition of FarCry a few years back for PS3 and 360. Never saw a PC release.
   
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So you are going on record saying that following a red glowing trail and TW3s combat are good examples of excellent gameplay? Sorry man the actual game play parts of TW3 are terribly bad.
   
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it doesn't look that good now
   
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Default 05-22-2017, 08:45 | posts: 2,612 | Location: Dubai

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it doesn't look that good now
well it certainly looks better than farcry 3 in terms of realism of the foliage and the jungle, a game which is 5 years ahead of it, but the animtions look quite old on the other hand
   
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Default 05-22-2017, 09:07 | posts: 1,190 | Location: Romania

Anyone knows if there still are some working online servers for Crysis wars ? Such good memories.
   
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Default 05-22-2017, 12:44 | posts: 14,883 | Location: England

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Uh so wrong
Skyrim lacks memorable characters, not Oblivion.
I can't remember a single character from Oblivion other than King Septim (who, ironically was killed during the first hour anyway) but then that game suffered from samey-looking NPCs and an extremely limited voice cast so it felt like you were talking to the same character dozens of times over during the game even though they were supposed to be different ones (even races)! That just made them even more unmemorable.

Skyrim was much better in terms of voice-acting and variety than Oblivion but it suffered from even more bland and forgettable characters. Funny though how that didn't affect my enjoyment of the game at the time. It still stands as my favourite Elder Scrolls game (including Morrowind and Oblivion) to date.
   
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I can't remember a single character from Oblivion other than King Septim (who, ironically was killed during the first hour anyway) but then that game suffered from samey-looking NPCs and an extremely limited voice cast so it felt like you were talking to the same character dozens of times over during the game even though they were supposed to be different ones (even races)! That just made them even more unmemorable.

Skyrim was much better in terms of voice-acting and variety than Oblivion but it suffered from even more bland and forgettable characters. Funny though how that didn't affect my enjoyment of the game at the time. It still stands as my favourite Elder Scrolls game (including Morrowind and Oblivion) to date.
I remember many characters from Oblivion, and quests too. For example Elf prisoners in the beginning was awesome, then King Septim, Lucien Lachance from DB, Owyn from Arena, Martin Septim of course, etc. Some Oblivion characters were funny too.

Skyrim characters are one-dimensional, boring. And that Schwarzenegger accent, omg!? Nords don't talk like that. Skyrim is a joke.

How can you not remember this!?





   
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Default 05-22-2017, 14:03 | posts: 271

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Knowing nothing about computer graphics is different thing from not caring about nice graphics. Unfortunately, likable graphics (in whatever art direction) makes 50% of the game success. Everybody who says that graphics is not important, that gameplay is all that matters is hypocrite. Yerli brothers were pushing it far, yes, but they were mainly right. Who would play their Far Cry without the technological marvels it had?

btw. Crytek went through clinical death. Most of their best engine coders left at that point. Actually quite a lot of coders left after Crysis 2. For me it was the end of Crytek (and probably was). I personally don't believe we will see anything serious from Crytek except of CryEngine maintenance. The engine is also lacking behind. Getting old-fashioned very fast and not just in rendering, but more importantly in tools and workflow.
Do people buy Blizzard games because of graphics! No.
Sure, 2017 games should not have 2005 graphics, and they all look good today. Art direction is more important actually.
But majority of people don't talk about graphics. My two friends for example. One of them likes Skyrim, and he doesn't use even texture mods. He is on PC obviously.
You also don't need best engine and latest features to make good looking game.

Crytek, mainly Cevat has wrong philosophy. That team could make great open world RPG games. They have everything.

Remember this game, which is DX9? It is one of the best looking games, and they achieved this with only good textures and geometry.

   
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Default 05-22-2017, 17:46 | posts: 1,711 | Location: France

It looks great on this oldy dx9.

Nowadays tools are just way too powerful, and allow anyone to achieve great visual.

I did this little scene in UE4, in one afternoon during french elections a couple weeks ago:





   
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I did this little scene in UE4, in one afternoon during french elections a couple weeks ago:
Well if you subtract the hours necessary to model those ships and environment... Putting them together and clicking run is really just matter of a few hours

You can't compare or measure development time of games by this one bit.
   
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It looks great on this oldy dx9.

Nowadays tools are just way too powerful, and allow anyone to achieve great visual.

I did this little scene in UE4, in one afternoon during french elections a couple weeks ago:




Niiiice!

These are standard assets?
   
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Default 05-22-2017, 23:39 | posts: 2,535 | Location: Hellas

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Do people buy Blizzard games because of graphics! No.
Sure, 2017 games should not have 2005 graphics, and they all look good today. Art direction is more important actually.
But majority of people don't talk about graphics. My two friends for example. One of them likes Skyrim, and he doesn't use even texture mods. He is on PC obviously.
You also don't need best engine and latest features to make good looking game.

Crytek, mainly Cevat has wrong philosophy. That team could make great open world RPG games. They have everything.

Remember this game, which is DX9? It is one of the best looking games, and they achieved this with only good textures and geometry.
They achieved it with photogrammetry..
   
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Default 05-22-2017, 23:50 | posts: 17,643 | Location: Glasgow

Based on those screenshots, i don't think that looks good at all.

Lighting, shadows etc.. just look old and dated.
   
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Default 05-23-2017, 00:00 | posts: 9,667 | Location: Serbia, NS

Are those screens from The Vanishing of Ethan Carter? Didnt they do UE3 then UE4 remake? So one is dx9 and other dx11?

I kinda agree with Redemption here, whatever it is looks outdated.
   
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My pics are dx9.
Here is UE3/UE4 comparison. I prefer original in some situations.







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They achieved it with photogrammetry..
Irrelevant because you can achieve the same with standard texture creation.
This is more about art direction.
Btw, with photogrammetry you can only create certain textures in game. Let's say that you have Dragon in you game. You can't create textures for Dragon with photogrammetry.
   
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Default 05-23-2017, 11:08 | posts: 535 | Location: Your PC

Every single crytek engine game I have enjoyed thoroughly from artistic direction to game play.
These include

Ryse:Son of Rome
Sniper ghost warrior 2 +3
Far cry Primal based on dunia engine (cryengine)
Crysis 1, 2 and 3
Yet to play prey.

I will always remember the ending of crysis 1, overheated my gpu. It was that intense.
Long live crytek.
   
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Default 05-23-2017, 15:07 | posts: 1,853

huh, you enjoyed Ryse? I remember playing it for a bout 30 minutes, and then committing suicide. It's my ghost you're talking to right now.

Joking aside, it was terrible.
   
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Default 05-24-2017, 00:20 | posts: 8,155 | Location: Kansas, USA

I never really was able to get into Ryse.
Bought it, couldn't remap the controls... refunded it.

EDIT:
So, replaying Crysis... and I've just gotten past the caves and into the alien ship. And... really... while yes, visually it still holds up, the thing is... it also doesn't hold up.

The outdoor areas, lush and incredibly detailed. The plants, grass and trees... the way they sway in the wind. The water, reflecting sun and rolling over and over.
It truly does hold up, and still impress.

But, in the exact same scene... you can turn around, and realize... how low detail a lot of the textures are. How stiff and rigid the animation is on enemy soldiers.
How flat, dull and lifeless lighting is when inside any building.
The only time the game looks good indoors... is the final level on the aircraft carrier. And, then, it seems like they put extra effort into.


Crysis earned it's stripes back when it was released, but, now... it's definitely a mixed bag. At times, still visually amazing, and at others... it's weaker elements pop out in shocking fashion.

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