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Default 03-23-2017, 14:02 | posts: 5,562 | Location: EU, CZ, Brno

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And that some gaming titles struggle with Ryzen...

...currently

He is asking for a mainly gaming system, therefore we cannot "factually" recommend Ryzen at this moment in time...
I do not presume that he is unable to use process lasso for those poorly threaded games to prevent them from jumping between CCXes.

I am personally waiting for 6C/12T review and 3200MHz DDR4 general compatibility.
I already know that 4 Core CPUs are not going to last for next 4 years.

Everyone knows it. That, what you call struggle is still well above 60fps. But considering that Games themselves use today at least 2 threads. And that DX12/Vulkan use currently up to 6/8 threads to feed GPU...

I can count those threads, and values are much higher than 4, HT/SMT is not miracle. One needs 6C/12T as minimum if system is to last for 3~4 years.

And as we will get those 6C/12T and 8C/16T into general population, you will see use for them. It is likely that advanced CPU physics will return in some form and will utilize additional threads.
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TL;DR: 7700k Is faster in most of games today. Good, but it is faster in range where most gamers no longer need more fps.
Even 6C/12T Ryzen will last longer than 7700k. If I did not think so, I would already have it as my CPU is obsolete.
   
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Lightbulb 03-23-2017, 22:14 | posts: 3,116 | Location: HolyWater Village

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If you can get Ryzen + MB + DDR4 3200MHz to work, then get Ryzen. My 4 Core is choking rest of system as much as yours does.

Maybe OnnA can share CPU-Z memory tab screenshot and add some story on how hard/easy it was to get memory running on 3200MHz.

We know that there were initial issues. And that support improved since then. But biggest stop for Ryzen is in us not knowing that memory will work way we want it to.
My Memory is not Sam B-Die so i can't go up to 3200MHz right now (waiting for BIOS Updates, Yes it will be fixed soon, so my 3200 will run NP)
Now i have 2801MHz CL14-13-13-30 1T 1.44v/1.115v SOC
UPD - OLD..2805MHz CL16-16-16-37 1T 1.4v/1.115v SOC

-> http://valid.x86.fr/9jtn9j (like this)

Not 100% Stable like this -> http://valid.x86.fr/3ln5a8

But Gaming is really OK right now, no single drop ! Solid as Titanium

https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-16gvk

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Default 03-23-2017, 22:30 | posts: 45 | Location: Portugal

So will i see much difference going from a i5-3570k@4.2Ghz to a ryzen7 1700@3.8or3.9 with memories at 3200mhz with the same fury graphic card?

Remember i have 1440p 144hz monitor.

I am not a Intel or Amd fanboy i am just a regular guy that wants to make the best choice.

I have this 3570K since 2011 and until now it's my best cpu so far and i had many,i have this CPU OC since then and i game everyday,so you see i want another cpu to last the same.

If you guys say buy the ryzen an OC it and it will improve more and more over time i do it.

But if you say buy the 7700k and OC to 5ghz it will last you no problem 5 years also i do it.

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Default 03-23-2017, 22:39 | posts: 17

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I can get either for the same price. I predominantly game. Which one would be my best choice?
Trust me, no one of those.
Wait for the 6 core 1600x, just 2 weeks. here's the reasons

1) wait a bit more, motherbords BIOS are litteraly horrible, specialy when it came to ram suport

2)6 core are more than enough

3)first incarnation of ryzen still have some arch problems, so, if you plan an am4 sistem, take now a 1600 for 250, then in 2018 or even later when 8 core may be realy useful just take a zen2 o zen 3 8 core and drop it onto your mobo!

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Default 03-23-2017, 22:41 | posts: 17

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too much fanboys.

today and up to next year, intel 4 core with HT is a relative safe bet.
wow, next year, buy now a new rig and up to the next year you are good to go
   
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Default 03-23-2017, 23:21 | posts: 74 | Location: New York, USA

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Trust me, no one of those.
Wait for the 6 core 1600x, just 2 weeks. here's the reasons

1) wait a bit more, motherbords BIOS are litteraly horrible, specialy when it came to ram suport

2)6 core are more than enough

3)first incarnation of ryzen still have some arch problems, so, if you plan an am4 sistem, take now a 1600 for 250, then in 2018 or even later when 8 core may be realy useful just take a zen2 o zen 3 8 core and drop it onto your mobo!
If the 2 other cores are still on a different CCX then the 1600x will also have the same arch issues

Personally, I MOSTLY game but occasionally do video rendering or streaming, and I went with the 1800x and I'm pretty satisfied. Even if you're just keeping a bunch of stuff open in the background, the extra cores will assist for gaming in that scenario as well.
   
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Default 03-23-2017, 23:28 | posts: 17

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If the 2 other cores are still on a different CCX then the 1600x will also have the same arch issues

Personally, I MOSTLY game but occasionally do video rendering or streaming, and I went with the 1800x and I'm pretty satisfied. Even if you're just keeping a bunch of stuff open in the background, the extra cores will assist for gaming in that scenario as well.
yea, indeed. My opinion is just that because those chips are still not perfect, but they came whit a new and long lasting platform, could be wise to buy a slightly cheaper cpu, and change whit a more mature in the future
   
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Default 03-23-2017, 23:42 | posts: 74 | Location: New York, USA

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yea, indeed. My opinion is just that because those chips are still not perfect, but they came whit a new and long lasting platform, could be wise to buy a slightly cheaper cpu, and change whit a more mature in the future
Yeah I suppose, but I had my 2600k for like 6 years, and even in its currently "buggy" state I'm happy with the performance that I think the 1800x will last another 6 years, and I'm sure software updates will help with the issues even more.
   
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Default 03-23-2017, 23:55 | posts: 17

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Yeah I suppose, but I had my 2600k for like 6 years, and even in its currently "buggy" state I'm happy with the performance that I think the 1800x will last another 6 years, and I'm sure software updates will help with the issues even more.
I bought some week ago a 2x16 GB kit ddr4 gkill trident z 3200 cas 15 for a good price. Very cool ram, but today there is no am4 mobo able of handle such a kit at the frequency that is designed for, witout issues. for me is not acceptable. I'll wait, but not too much.
   
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Default 03-24-2017, 12:52 | posts: 152 | Location: Belgium

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If you guys say buy the ryzen an OC it and it will improve more and more over time i do it.

But if you say buy the 7700k and OC to 5ghz it will last you no problem 5 years also i do it.
I don't think you would last 5 years with a i7 7700k, i might be wrong...but i would not bet on it.
If you plan to keep your cpu for a long time i would recommend at least an ryzen r5 1600x or wait for Intels new upcoming 6core cpu.
Or just get an r7 1700, it has a great pricetag for an 8core cpu.

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Default 03-24-2017, 17:05 | posts: 1,269

If you play ARMA or any CPU intensive game, emulators, 7700k all the way. No substitute for raw IPC and MHZ in those situations. Get one that OCs like crazy and you will be good for a long time.

Otherwise, R5 or R7 depending on your needs but only after revision 2 for the motherboard. There are still enough bugs out there that unless you have a spare system already, it is not stable enough for no headaches 24/7. There will be growing pains.

If AMD made the CPU that can plug into an Intel MB, I would have upgraded to Ryzen right away too.
   
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Default 03-25-2017, 23:07 | posts: 45 | Location: Portugal

Guys,

I really want the ryzen 7 I am tired of giving.money to intel parasites.

Please give me the best configuration deal regarding cpu,memory,mb,aio water cooling and case the graphics card I am satisfied with my r9 fury with tunning from onna bios
   
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Default 03-26-2017, 01:29 | posts: 169 | Location: Texas! What country you from

my 1800+ doesn't struggle doing anything.Got no problem recommending one
   
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Lightbulb 03-26-2017, 03:07 | posts: 3,116 | Location: HolyWater Village

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Guys,

I really want the ryzen 7 I am tired of giving.money to intel parasites.

Please give me the best configuration deal regarding cpu,memory,mb,aio water cooling and case the graphics card I am satisfied with my r9 fury with tunning from onna bios
THX

Pick Hero VI (if you have AiO and it's AM3 Compatible)
Pick 1700X/1800X and give it a go on 4-4.1GHz
Next RAM, look here and pick some of the Gskill CL14 Kit
-> http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/r...ng-thread/0_50

Greets and take care

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Default 03-26-2017, 04:02 | posts: 2,866 | Location: Ibaraki, Japan

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But if you say buy the 7700k and OC to 5ghz it will last you no problem 5 years also i do it.
I don't think it will. It won't last as long Sandy Bridge did. You just buying yet another quad core in 2017. CPU demanding engines have evolved to make use of more than 4 cores. We not living in 2011 anymore.

You can see benchmarks for yourself and see how badly can 7700k choke with min fps. Battlefield1, GTA5 all those CPU intensive games can choke 7700k with many events happening at the same time. (multi explosions with lots of calculations).
If you don't have GSync, you gonna have a bad time with quad core.
7700K won't give you more frames that it already does. Platform and software for it already matured. That's it. There nothing more to it.
It's a good and bad thing. It's safe cause there no major bugs in it. So you overall safer with 7700K. While with Ryzen, you taking a risk to discover some not addressed bugs and rely on software to further be optimized for it.


EDIT : Here's benches with some recent memory tweaks. Again, it's just minor memory fix. Nothing major is done on software side.
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too much fanboys.

today and up to next year, intel 4 core with HT is a relative safe bet.
That's totally not fanboy of you. Well constructive and very detailed reply. Good job, Geryboy. I am very honored to have you.



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Lightbulb 03-26-2017, 04:54 | posts: 3,116 | Location: HolyWater Village

I don't think it will. It won't last as long Sandy Bridge did. You just buying yet another quad core in 2017. CPU demanding engines have evolved to make use of more than 4 cores.

We not living in 2011 anymore. (+1 for this one)

IMO 8/16 is OK for anything, we can argue as for low OC (mine is not low from 3GHz to 4.1GHZ its 1100MHz OC)
We can't have now everything (i mean High OC + RAM etc.) but it will get better in time.

It's AMD new Gen of uArch, and im on this boat right now -> it's a Darn Good HardWare (as it is now)

Remember History:

Old times ->
Don't pick 2 cores, 1 Core is better for Gaming !
Don't pick 4 cores, 2 Cores are better for Gaming !
Now:
Don't pick 8 cores, 4 Cores are better for Gaming !
And in the future:
Don't pick 12 cores, 8 Cores are better for Gaming ! and so on....

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Default 03-26-2017, 05:56 | posts: 74 | Location: New York, USA

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It won't last as long Sandy Bridge did.
Let's just remember that 5GHz also isn't guaranteed on the 7700k. I remember when I bought the 2600k people were talking about how easy and realistic 5GHz was, and when I got it I could only get to about 4.4 stable, and then a few years later the chip degraded (don't remember the voltage I had but it was within the safe recommended range) and I had stability issues even at stock clocks.
   
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Default 03-26-2017, 06:51 | posts: 105

Is there anyone having any types of issues with the Kaby Lake on Z170 boards? I know that the board needs a bois update in order for it to work with the 7th generation intel processor.
   
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Default 03-27-2017, 20:11 | posts: 45 | Location: Portugal

Guys,

What do you think of this configuration,i want your taughts on this:

AMD RYZEN 7 1700X
ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VI HERO AURA
G.SKILL PC4-25600 3200MHZ 16GB FLARE X SERIES (AMD) CL14 (2X8GB) BLACK DDR4
CORSAIR HYDRO SERIES H100I V2 EXTREME

I will use from my previous build the following components do you think i should change it:

PSU CORSAIR TX650 V2
AMD FURY NITRO
   
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Default 03-28-2017, 05:26 | posts: 1,269

You can get a 1700 instead of the X, and put the extra money into a better GPU or even faster RAM 3600 CL16.

I would wait for Vega to come out before considering changing the GPU.
   
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Talking 03-28-2017, 06:05 | posts: 3,116 | Location: HolyWater Village

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Guys,

What do you think of this configuration,i want your taughts on this:

AMD RYZEN 7 1700X
ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VI HERO AURA
G.SKILL PC4-25600 3200MHZ 16GB FLARE X SERIES (AMD) CL14 (2X8GB) BLACK DDR4
CORSAIR HYDRO SERIES H100I V2 EXTREME

I will use from my previous build the following components do you think i should change it:

PSU CORSAIR TX650 V2
AMD FURY NITRO
Yup -> and you are ready to go

I can tell you one thing -> it's Really Great to have 8/16 (that fast SC + MC)
RAM is good but not best -> try to pick GSkill 3600 CL14 (if you can)
   
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Default 03-29-2017, 18:08 | posts: 77

Well I sold my skylake months ago . I was reading my tea leaves at the bottom of my cup and saw the future - Ryzen

So on friday my 1700 cpu and asus micro prime board will be here . I will give results later. Will i cry if it does not reach 4000, nah! In a real world I could not spot the difference between 3800 and 4000.

I am so excited
   
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Default 03-30-2017, 15:59 | posts: 276 | Location: Poland

7700k is the crown of the old architecture. Ryzen is a new baby, born to grow up in the future. If Ryzen is enough to play today, it's a better investment.
   
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Default 03-31-2017, 11:46 | posts: 7,156

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7700k is the crown of the old architecture. Ryzen is a new baby, born to grow up in the future. If Ryzen is enough to play today, it's a better investment.
Agree. But ultimately, all these chips are more than my general usage needs. Performance of both is superfluous to me. My only criteria for an upgrade is to have a more up to date platform, better motherboard features, ports, connectivity, etc. Intel based boards at this point in time seem far more solid, mature and no teething problems. When the future arrives, I'll be happy to switch to Ryzen 2. Or sooner if I develop an over-powering fetish for content creation and unzipping 20gb archives on a daily basis.
   
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Default 03-31-2017, 13:36 | posts: 196

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7700k is the crown of the old architecture. Ryzen is a new baby, born to grow up in the future. If Ryzen is enough to play today, it's a better investment.
Completely agree and ryzen is enough to play games, yes you get higher fps on some Intel chips like the 7700 but are the fps poor on ryzen gaming benchmarks, no they're not.

I will be swapping my 6700k system over to a ryzen setup at some point, just waiting for better support for faster ram speeds.
   
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