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Default Ryzen 7 or the 7700k? - 03-07-2017, 23:47 | posts: 234 | Location: Chicago,IL-I want Google wire

I can get either for the same price. I predominantly game. Which one would be my best choice?
   
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Default 03-08-2017, 00:20 | posts: 1,102 | Location: Into the light

Long term: 8c/16t Ryzen 1700 @ the price of i7.
Short term: i7 4c/8t.
   
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Default 03-08-2017, 00:29 | posts: 31,511 | Location: Hampshire, UK

Do you have a long term predictor?
   
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Default 03-08-2017, 01:58 | posts: 2,433 | Location: Munich

you will get worse performance now with a ryzen and then you can hope to get slightly better performance in 2 years or so, very speculative...
if you game on a 144Hz Monitor you would see the difference between intel and amd, if it's only 60 Hz 1080p/1440p it wouldn't matter much.
   
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Default 03-08-2017, 02:07 | posts: 8,516 | Location: GTA, Canada

From what I hear the R7 1700 typically does 3.9GHz at best (with rare exceptions of course), meanwhile it's not that uncommon to expect 5GHz out of a 7700K with the right motherboard and settings, so 4.8GHz is probably a safe bet.

At the same price I think it makes a lot more sense to take 8 cores at 3.8-3.9GHz versus 4 cores at 4.7-5GHz unless you're sure you have programs which aren't properly multi-threaded that need as much clock speed and IPC as they can get. Even then it'd be a bitter choice to make. When DX 12 finally becomes commonly used and things are properly coded it should be a nice boost for Ryzen.

The only things I can think of that truly makes use of such high per core performance due to usually dumping most their load on 1 to 2 threads are emulators, which I often use, so I'm left with a tough choice to make unless the next round of AMD chips up their maximum potential clocks a chunk. Honestly I think I'd just keep waiting until AMD offer the single threaded performance I need, now that I know AMD will eventually offer what I need, I don't want to give Intel another cent.

Anyway, back to what you need, unless you want to run things at very high frame rates at the end of the day so long as you OC your chip it's not going to make much of a difference in games based on what I've seen so far. But as the others have said, for now the 7700K wins in games, in the future who knows, but if things go right DX 12 should power up Ryzen somewhat.
   
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Default 03-08-2017, 02:25 | posts: 3,242 | Location: Upstate New York

What resolution do you game at?
Do you intend to overclock?
What style of games do you play the most?
Will you be using the GTX 770 in your sig or a different GPU?

I don't think either one is a "wrong" choice, but depending on how you answer the above questions would influence my recommendation.
   
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Default 03-08-2017, 13:41 | posts: 1,102 | Location: Into the light

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Do you have a long term predictor?
Yes,6/8 cores will be mainstream,not only enthusiasts.
Because Amd have consoles market they will push 6/8 cores in future gaming development.
Intel will need to lower prices of the future 6/8 cores,not for actual obsolete tech.

Windows 10/7 need an update for Ryzen.

Lets remember Mantle do Vulkan & DX12.Little steps do a great future.
   
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Default 03-08-2017, 14:51 | posts: 31,511 | Location: Hampshire, UK

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Yes,6/8 cores will be mainstream,not only enthusiasts.
Because Amd have consoles market they will push 6/8 cores in future gaming development.
Intel will need to lower prices of the future 6/8 cores,not for actual obsolete tech.

Windows 10/7 need an update for Ryzen.

Lets remember Mantle do Vulkan & DX12.Little steps do a great future.
You say that but we've had quad core cpus for 10 years now and hey ho, they're still king in gaming. Nobody knows what future brings. I for one buy for now, not for future. Maybe that's just me.

It's the same with gpus, people recommend the 480 over the 1060 and they have done so for almost a year now but the fact is the 1060 still beats the 480 in quite a lot of games. The 480 hasn't taken over at all.
   
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Default 03-08-2017, 15:23 | posts: 667 | Location: Kosovo/Pristina

Overclock that cpu to 4.5-5GHz and buy used gtx 980 oc it to 1.4-1.5GHz and you are good to go for some time especially if you have 1080p monitor, but if you have money to burn then see what users here suggests..

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Default 03-08-2017, 16:25 | posts: 1,102 | Location: Into the light

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You say that but we've had quad core cpus for 10 years now and hey ho, they're still king in gaming. Nobody knows what future brings. I for one buy for now, not for future. Maybe that's just me.

It's the same with gpus, people recommend the 480 over the 1060 and they have done so for almost a year now but the fact is the 1060 still beats the 480 in quite a lot of games. The 480 hasn't taken over at all.
When Intel wiil launch the new cpus,who knows when maybe this year,they will forget about 2c/4t ,because the pressure is too much on 4c or 8c level.
Tick-toc is gone,maybe Intel will give us a new architecture next year.

You'll be happy to have an 8 cores CPU,but you will wait to give you Intel another 5-10% on 4c/8t?

Quad-core was good,but we need to improve and evoluate to the next level.Game devs will do that.

RX 480 is good for the money can buy.

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Default 03-08-2017, 16:33 | posts: 31,511 | Location: Hampshire, UK

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When Intel wiil launch the new cpus,who knows when maybe this year,they will forget about 2c/4t ,because the pressure is too much on 4c or 8c level.
Tick-toc is gone,maybe Intel will give us a new architecture next year.

You'll be happy to have an 8 cores CPU,but you will wait to give you Intel another 5-10% on 4c/8t?

Quad-core was good,but we need to improve and evoluate to the next level.Game devs will do that.

RX 480 is good for the money can buy.
Quad core was good? Quad core still is good. It beats 8 cores.
   
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Default 03-09-2017, 06:07 | posts: 3,155 | Location: Tampa Bay, FL

Ryzen is the future. Get the 1700
   
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Default 03-09-2017, 08:47 | posts: 69

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Ryzen is the future. Get the 1700
Dude, the future is today.
   
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Default 03-09-2017, 08:50 | posts: 6,733 | Location: Austria (no kangaroos here)

I will better not comment on this thread because obviously it's heavily biased (by other posters, not OP).
   
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Default 03-09-2017, 08:59 | posts: 135

Swapped my 3930K @ 4.4 for R7 1700 @ 4.0. No regrets.
   
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Default 03-09-2017, 18:48 | posts: 7 | Location: India

I think we are forgetting what the OP is talking about and his needs. He games, he streams, he is not an enthusiast who upgrades on a fetish, he loves to keep his builds for a long time like most user and he is looking for a cpu, not a gpu which needs to be upgraded every 2 years. So, the best case scenario for him AMD's Ryzen unless he can distinguish the 10 or 20 odd frames that the i7 will give him in most games because of all games being optimized for Intel and, unless he is put off by AMD's massive performance in processing power(which a processor is actually meant to do), unless he is burning with jealousy just like every Intel user is right now in the world(face it Intel fanboys, most of you are scared s**tless thinking what happens when AMD and others start dishing out patches for a barely week old architecture against a 7 year old optimized arch). Other than these I dont see any reasons for him to pick Intel, not even the price drops.
   
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Default 03-15-2017, 00:57 | posts: 820 | Location: United States

Personally, I would wait. I want to buy a Ryzen chip myself but the sleep bug for example is just one thing that throws me off. I want to give AMD/Microsoft/Vendors another half year or so to flesh out firmware/software issues. Part of me feels AMD could have stress-tested their new microarchitecture better during the R&D phase but it's easier said than done; however to my credit - they did rush things looking back. Jim Keller didn't seem to stay with the company that long and in my opinion if his work had been 100% finalized there would have been more push for better Quality Control on this new platform. I feel as if Skylake, Broadwell-E, Kabylake - all had roles to play. In short - Intel's fast and aggressive business model might have pushed AMD to act prematurely. Whatever the reason for the bugs - AMD was at a RC stage, but I would advise OP to wait. Check the Vendor's support page for the motherboard you're eyeballing time to time for UEFI updates/revisions. Read the notations on them. See if any of them address current Ryzen issues as time goes buy. (some already have - ie memory / stability issues) ASUS PRIME B350-PLUS for example. Just saying, better to be on the side of caution in the event that AMD doesn't patch these current bugs via motherboard firmware patches or OS-side updates and rather it becomes a Phenom Gen 1 / Gen 2 issue & people have to wait until revision 2 to appear on the market. Which wouldn't be cool at all..

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Default 03-23-2017, 00:04 | posts: 44 | Location: Portugal

So guys should i still wait a little bit more for ryzen to mature?
   
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Default 03-23-2017, 00:37 | posts: 9,408 | Location: USA

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So guys should i still wait a little bit more for ryzen to mature?
That would be a good idea.
Or maybe wait for next iteration of ryzen next year.
   
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Default 03-23-2017, 01:31 | posts: 1,108 | Location: Hawkes Bay

Once mobo's mature and the bugs get worked out I'll be looking at the ryzen way as it's 60 bucks cheaper than the Intel 17 7700K


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Hmm, gaming is OK on my ZEN k17
3.85GHz and 4.02Ghz
Games Tested (no FPS Bench, just eye+ Reshade show FPS):

BF1 70FPS/BF4 74FPS Great experience (~74FPS constant, not observed dips in BF1 DX11 + reshade)
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Default 03-23-2017, 06:00 | posts: 7,095

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Ryzen is the future. Get the 1700
They said that about bulldozer too. Ryzen may indeed be 'the future', but chances are when the future arrives, people will feel the upgrade itch yet again.. and a ryzen v2 shows up. And that will be the new future.. until the next chip comes along .
   
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Default 03-23-2017, 13:22 | posts: 687

Currently, the 7700k is the better bet for gaming only.

BUT

That could change. Zen has quite a few early issues, buggy bios etc - so who knows in a couple of months.

If I was in the same position, and could wait, I'd wait to be sure
   
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Default 03-23-2017, 13:34 | posts: 5,350 | Location: EU, CZ, Brno

If you can get Ryzen + MB + DDR4 3200MHz to work, then get Ryzen. My 4 Core is choking rest of system as much as yours does.

Maybe OnnA can share CPU-Z memory tab screenshot and add some story on how hard/easy it was to get memory running on 3200MHz.

We know that there were initial issues. And that support improved since then. But biggest stop for Ryzen is in us not knowing that memory will work way we want it to.
   
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Default 03-23-2017, 13:45 | posts: 687

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If you can get Ryzen + MB + DDR4 3200MHz to work, then get Ryzen. My 4 Core is choking rest of system as much as yours does.

Maybe OnnA can share CPU-Z memory tab screenshot and add some story on how hard/easy it was to get memory running on 3200MHz.

We know that there were initial issues. And that support improved since then. But biggest stop for Ryzen is in us not knowing that memory will work way we want it to.
And that some gaming titles struggle with Ryzen...

...currently

He is asking for a mainly gaming system, therefore we cannot "factually" recommend Ryzen at this moment in time...
   
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