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Default 03-05-2017, 09:45 | posts: 2,775 | Location: the hollywod multiplex

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Now that I'm thinking about it.. Well, we already have the 1800X that runs stock at 4.0Ghz so logically it should be no problem for the MSI B350 TH and its 6-phases to run a R7 1700 at 4.0-4.1 aswell.
someone on [H] did some thermal/electrical testing on his 1700 with an old thermalright & found that voltage past ~1.37ish iirc increased power draw significantly, but yet the VRM heatsinks on his asus b350 prime plus were only in the 60s?? measured with IR...mosfets dont have to overheat to crap out or just fluctuate...but thats usually when they do it. so im at a loss to explain his preliminary findings succinctly.

as long as you dont have to pump tooooo much voltage through your chip, & as long as MSI b350 power phases are decent, then yes, itd be reasonable for you to expect the board to run your chip @~3.9ghz ballpark on air (as long as the silicon is capable of it in the first place)

tl;dr itll probably be fine but im not going to try it
   
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Default 03-05-2017, 10:03 | posts: 835 | Location: Worksop, England

I saw this on another forum, it's a voltage / mhz chart for the process that Ryzen is built on. Basically it is pretty linear up to 3.3Ghz which is the sweet spot for power usage, after that the voltage needed starts to ramp up and after 4Ghz really shoots up.



TBH it's looking like 4Ghz is is probably a nice spot for 24/7 OC, as you go higher you're likely to need proper watercooling to keep the heat at bay.
   
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Cool 03-05-2017, 10:10 | posts: 1,389 | Location: Germany

I played NFS and Diablo (reaper of souls) with and without SMT (same Scene more or less) -> no visible difference!

Edit, that was not SMT, only cores disable/enable!! Cannot find SMT yet in the bios, can be that is not available for MSI B350 Tomawk yet!!

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Default 03-05-2017, 10:57 | posts: 16 | Location: London

again, more info about SMT issues:
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads...#post-38775732
   
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Default 03-05-2017, 11:02 | posts: 16 | Location: London

another test regarding specifically CCX
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads...#post-38776310
   
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Default 03-05-2017, 11:27 | posts: 88 | Location: Germany

What BIOS are you guys currently running?

I tried the 5704 beta for my Crosshair VI but was irritated by the wrong temp readings that have already been discussed here. With the 0702 version the readings are as expected.

As for memory atm I can't seem to get my ram working at above default speeds, which is unfortunate
   
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Cool 03-05-2017, 11:38 | posts: 1,389 | Location: Germany

cannot find SMT enable/disable in bios! Where is that function or how it's called? I disabled C6 state and no difference in Valley Benchmark (@720p)!
   
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Default 03-05-2017, 11:50 | posts: 1,389 | Location: Germany

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What BIOS are you guys currently running?

I tried the 5704 beta for my Crosshair VI but was irritated by the wrong temp readings that have already been discussed here. With the 0702 version the readings are as expected.

As for memory atm I can't seem to get my ram working at above default speeds, which is unfortunate
I'm runing Version 1, there is no update from MSI yet. I hope MSI will fix the temps readings too!
   
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Thumbs up 03-05-2017, 12:25 | posts: 7,813 | Location: In Paradise :)

Thanks for the updates , pictures , windows tweaking /registry editing findings and feedback guys . @ __hollywood|meo awesome cpu , looking forward to your results as well. Nice looking Ryzen build you got there @ Kohlendioxidus.

I will leave those windows tweaking / registry editing to the experts on software , keep posting your finding guys as i'm not that tech savy when it comes to windows 10 tweaking / registry editing in order to extract more performance in windows OS. I will stick to what i'm good at ( hardware ) , and that's extracting the maximum performance in pure hardware overclocking. Keep up the good work guys , let's keep the ball rolling. Very exciting and fun times ahead !

I have an idea that might really help everybody concerning cpu and memory overclock and performance , we need raw data. I will be doing a spreadsheet ( Soon Hopefully ) in the overclocking guide with everybody's 24/7 stable cpu overclocking , memory overclocking , cpu used R7 1700 - x1700 - x1800 & v.Core used , motherboard used as well as memory overclocking , speeds and timings used & voltage + memory type ICs and density ( Samsung B-die , C -die , D-die : Hynix AFR and MFR : Micron ) , dual channel , 2 memory slot populated and 4 slot populated.

In my quest to find how to squeezed every bit of performance out of our Ryzen platform , i'm following closely at Jon ( Elmor's tread at hwbot ) - http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=167530&page=3 where he has posted a set of pictures with data regarding performance gain across memory speeds and timings scaling. It seems the sweet spot it's at DDR4-2666~2933 Cas 12-13 or 14 where the performance its at middle ground and plateau. Higher performance can be achieved with higher memory clocks that keep scaling but it will be a balancing act with lots of tweaking and higher voltages involved hence it will be hard to obtain such clocks for everybody.

So realistically speaking let's aim for DDR4-2666~2933Mhz be it Cas 12-13 or 14 , better results is DDR4-3200Mhz Cas 14 , absolutely best results is DDR4-3466Mhz Cas 14. Ryzen memory controller it's very very efficient even at lower memory speeds , so do not sweat it if you cannot reach very high speeds ( Mhz ) memory wise.





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Talking 03-05-2017, 12:55 | posts: 3,116 | Location: HolyWater Village

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I played NFS and Diablo (reaper of souls) with and without SMT (same Scene more or less) -> no visible difference!

Edit, that was not SMT, only cores disable/enable!! Cannot find SMT yet in the bios, can be that is not available for MSI B350 Tomawk yet!!
Yup

Now we need to wait until Windows understands ZEN uArch
So next week patch
   
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ASUS Crosshair VI Hero X370 VRM Analysis with Buildzoid





   
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SB#8: Overclocking AMD Ryzen 7 1800X with ROG Crosshair VI Hero and G.SKILL Trident Z





   
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Cool 03-05-2017, 14:44 | posts: 1,389 | Location: Germany

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Yup

Now we need to wait until Windows understands ZEN uArch
So next week patch
Why cannot get acces to SMT? Is this an issue with B350 chipset or only an bios update required?
   
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Cool 03-05-2017, 15:17 | posts: 1,389 | Location: Germany

I started rising the RAM frequency:

- XMS Profile ofcourse is a NO GO.
- I'm at 2400 CL16, tRCD 18, tRP 18, tRAS 36 and Looks to be stable.

The modules are rated at 3200 CL16, tRCD 18, tRP 18, tRAS 36

I'll try rising up as soon as I'm convinced is fully stable!
   
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Why cannot get acces to SMT? Is this an issue with B350 chipset or only an bios update required?
Hmm IMO you need new BIOS
Or try to Play with RyZEN Master.
   
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I started rising the RAM frequency:

- XMS Profile ofcourse is a NO GO.
- I'm at 2400 CL16, tRCD 18, tRP 18, tRAS 36 and Looks to be stable.

The modules are rated at 3200 CL16, tRCD 18, tRP 18, tRAS 36

I'll try rising up as soon as I'm convinced is fully stable!
Give -> 3200 CL16, tRCD 18, tRP 18, tRAS 36 and 1.4v
   
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Thumbs up 03-05-2017, 15:26 | posts: 1,389 | Location: Germany

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Give -> 3200 CL16, tRCD 18, tRP 18, tRAS 36 and 1.4v
I'm @ 2667 CL16, tRCD 18, tRP 18, tRAS 36, small steps let's see where it goes , I'll be right back!

EDIT:

I'm @ 2933 CL16, tRCD 18, tRP 18, tRAS 36, tRC 69, 1T now and it looks to be stable. Voltages are on Auto (RAM is reported @1,328V). I throw at it a memtest as we speak to see if I get Errors. Cinebench returned almost 100 Points more on all cores compared with 2133!

Temps during Memtest:

- RAM Dimms are at 29C
- Voltage Regulators CPU @ 46C

EDIT Again:

Memtest returned 0% Errors, I think I'm fine. I'll let the frequencies as they are at the Moment and see if I'm 101% stable before rising the bar again!

Benchies:
AIDA64 v5.80.4000:
Memory Read: 46183 MB/s no AIDA error Messages!
Memory Write: 43901 MB/s no AIDA error Messages!
Memory Copy: 38893 MB/s no AIDA error Messages!
Memory Latency: 88,9 ns with an error message that AIDA is not optimised for my CPU.

CPU Queen: 82702 no AIDA error Messages!
CPU PhotoWorxx: 20439 MPixel/s with an error message that AIDA is not optimised for my CPU.
CPU ZLib: 685,6 MB/s no AIDA error Messages!
CPU AES: 65130 MB/s with an error message that AIDA is not optimised for my CPU.
CPU Hash: 22290 MB/s with an error message that AIDA is not optimised for my CPU. I love this test my CPU cracked everything on the list, actually almost broke the monitor frame on the right side !

Let me know whyt you guys get!!!

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Cool 03-05-2017, 15:51 | posts: 1,389 | Location: Germany

getting back to temps, I Need to confirm that These CPU's are safe up to 95C. The programed fan controllers are going up to 100C with 100% spin above 75C! 2 of the fan headers (Chasis fans) cannot start below 55C actually and they go up to 100C aswell.
   
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Default 03-05-2017, 16:23 | posts: 88 | Location: Germany

Phew, what an odyssey... BIOS flash failed, then nothing would work anymore, after using BIOS Flashback would not POST either. Finally found a newer beta version on the Asus forums and in a last desperate attempt tried it out. Was already preparing to RMA.

Anyway seems to work fine again though now the temperatur readings are a little weird again. What a relief
   
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Phew, what an odyssey... BIOS flash failed, then nothing would work anymore, after using BIOS Flashback would not POST either. Finally found a newer beta version on the Asus forums and in a last desperate attempt tried it out. Was already preparing to RMA.

Anyway seems to work fine again though now the temperatur readings are a little weird again. What a relief
Heads up and don't give up . So was my weekend too (less bios updates as I don't have any), I just wanted to bench alot of games and couldn't do only a few as I spent time optimizing .

Problem is that you also find 0 Information/experience on the web, Windows is clearly not fully optimized for the CPU so you have issues following the Problem to the source. There are alot of settings that I do not understand I think I'll just wait a little and make myself smart in between.

At least I have the impression that my rig is ROCK SOLID at the Moment. The fans are barrely spinning which indicates the CPU is very very efficient .

As soon as you got stable, can you please check some AIDA numbers, the way I reported above?
   
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Default 03-05-2017, 17:00 | posts: 88 | Location: Germany

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Heads up and don't give up . So was my weekend too (less bios updates as I don't have any), I just wanted to bench alot of games and couldn't do only a few as I spent time optimizing .

Problem is that you also find 0 Information/experience on the web, Windows is clearly not fully optimized for the CPU so you have issues following the Problem to the source. There are alot of settings that I do not understand I think I'll just wait a little and make myself smart in between.

At least I have the impression that my rig is ROCK SOLID at the Moment. The fans are barrely spinning which indicates the CPU is very very efficient .

As soon as you got stable, can you please check some AIDA numbers, the way I reported above?
Sorry I only got the Trial version of AIDA so some stuff might be missing.

Memory / Cache wise it is almost the same as Hilbert gets in the review with 2146CL15. The rest:

CPU Queen: 82986
CPU PhotoWorxx: 18633
CPU ZLib: 700.5
CPU AES: 65604
CPU Hash: 22393

edit: Can hear the fans on my cooler spin up once in a while now which they did not using the 0502 BIOS. Kinda makes me wonder which (if any) measurement / tool reports correctly

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Default 03-05-2017, 18:51 | posts: 1,389 | Location: Germany

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Sorry I only got the Trial version of AIDA so some stuff might be missing.

Memory / Cache wise it is almost the same as Hilbert gets in the review with 2146CL15. The rest:

CPU Queen: 82986
CPU PhotoWorxx: 18633
CPU ZLib: 700.5
CPU AES: 65604
CPU Hash: 22393

edit: Can hear the fans on my cooler spin up once in a while now which they did not using the 0502 BIOS. Kinda makes me wonder which (if any) measurement / tool reports correctly
not bad!
   
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Default 03-05-2017, 21:01 | posts: 1,318 | Location: London

Hi there

Can you try this monitoring software, I'm using this mainly on my builds, its good as he can control most of AIO from Corsair or NZXT without installing or using SW from Corsair or NZXT

http://rh-software.com

Hope this helps

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Anyone running a Noctua nh-d15 with a Ryzen? How are the temps?
   
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Default 03-05-2017, 21:58 | posts: 762 | Location: Out There!

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something SUCKS, under stress mode (CPU-Z), it just hits 68C and flatline at that Level and the clock stay at 3697 on an 1800x , any ideas?
You have probably worked this one out by now, but just in case:

The 1800X will run at about 3.7GHz on all cores when under heavy stress. Under slightly lighter loads it boosts on some cores up to 4GHz. (I'm not actually sure right now how many cores boost up to 4GHz by default)

You can of course (most manage) to overclock it to 4GHz on all cores which will boost performance in some situations.
   
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