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Default 03-17-2017, 22:13 | posts: 1,420 | Location: >.>

What if I'm the only human being, and everyone else is simulated?

Ever thought that about yourself? o_o
   
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A computer tech forum and you think a base ten numbering system is binary? Binary has a 1 and a 0, 0 - 9 are a decimal system NOT a binary system.
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Loosen up. The ridiculousness has escaped you. If it has to be explained the silliness of it all is lost. Why so serious? You read like a person who takes themselves too seriously.
   
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Ahh talking b*llocks, got ya!
   
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Default 03-18-2017, 18:40 | posts: 17,551 | Location: 127.0.0.1

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What if I'm the only human being, and everyone else is simulated?

Ever thought that about yourself? o_o
What if when you go to sleep, you are taken every single night and tortured to the point of insanity, memory wiped and placed back in your bed non the wiser the next morning?
   
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Default 03-19-2017, 02:54 | posts: 236 | Location: hot springs, cool summers

mm, no exercise makes us a wandering volatile susceptible being. Take a stroll, exhaust yourself to cause exhaustion nausea, and every fibre of our body will say its real
   
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Default 03-19-2017, 02:59 | posts: 2,744 | Location: Ibaraki, Japan

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mm, no exercise makes us a wandering volatile susceptible being. Take a stroll, exhaust yourself to cause exhaustion nausea, and every fibre of our body will say its real
Yup, that how its programmed


   
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Default 03-20-2017, 15:06 | posts: 2,016 | Location: Chicago

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I have no doubt that something strange is happening. For instance, Wynona Ryder is now Winona Ryder. Sally Fields is now Sally Field. In The Empire Strikes Back, the line "Luke, I am your father" is now "No, I am your father". C3PO now has a silver leg, instead of being all gold. In the movie "ET", he now says "ET home phone" instead of "ET phone home". Things in this reality are being altered, without question.
The Mandela effect seems odd to me because it only affects media. What's the purpose?
   
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Default 03-22-2017, 18:59 | posts: 667 | Location: UK

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The Mandela effect seems odd to me because it only affects media. What's the purpose?
It does not only affect the media, it has affected the bible, well known brands, car makers, old movies/tv shows,

A LOT has changed.
   
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Default 03-22-2017, 19:30 | posts: 2,016 | Location: Chicago

That's all commercial/media related though.

What I mean is, events aren't seemingly different, wars, people in power, etc.

If there is some sort of deception or ...making E.T say home phone instead of phone home isn't concerning me.

The Bible, it has been altered for most of it's existence. I understand the books of revelations is now simply known as revelation. That's an edit for the times, not one without explanation.

I don't buy it.

People trying to alter time and minds need to do more than change the out come of a Sinbad movie.
   
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Default 03-23-2017, 12:00 | posts: 667 | Location: UK

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That's all commercial/media related though.

What I mean is, events aren't seemingly different, wars, people in power, etc.

If there is some sort of deception or ...making E.T say home phone instead of phone home isn't concerning me.

The Bible, it has been altered for most of it's existence. I understand the books of revelations is now simply known as revelation. That's an edit for the times, not one without explanation.

I don't buy it.

People trying to alter time and minds need to do more than change the out come of a Sinbad movie.
I do not think it is a conspiracy but a side effect of CERN smashing particles together sometimes effectively revealing other "timelines" quantum physics does point to a matrix type universe and there are infinite dimensions that exist along side ours as we see it.

D'WAVE computers may also play a part in this.

I am a firm believer in what a lot of people cannot begin to even entertain a thought about,

"Things in this world are only as we make them in our minds"

another example in that if "we are made of atoms then we are not physical beings as we perceive things"

Strange and exciting times ahead as we uncover more and more
   
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Default 03-24-2017, 19:12 | posts: 2,016 | Location: Chicago

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I do not think it is a conspiracy but a side effect of CERN smashing particles together sometimes effectively revealing other "timelines" quantum physics does point to a matrix type universe and there are infinite dimensions that exist along side ours as we see it.

D'WAVE computers may also play a part in this.

I am a firm believer in what a lot of people cannot begin to even entertain a thought about,

"Things in this world are only as we make them in our minds"

another example in that if "we are made of atoms then we are not physical beings as we perceive things"

Strange and exciting times ahead as we uncover more and more
I believe in many things. Typically labeled "conspiracy" so sheep condescend. I agree with the atom theory. If you really look into it, how is something that is 99.4% empty, creating a universe?? Electrons. Bull****. An invisible force is bringing together and filling in the empty parts of the atom? This is plausible but the same people laugh at the idea of God. No one knows anything, but everyone knows everything.

The Hologram Principle doesn't make sense to me in that there are too many things that don't correlate with a hologram. Thought, physical pain, emotion, etc.
   
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Default 03-24-2017, 19:54 | posts: 979 | Location: ...........In a corrupt country

Vibrations create the illusion of solidity....Nick Cage...Sorcerer's Apprentice.

The earth's magnetic field, our body's main organs eg. brain and heart magnetic fields are being bombarded by negative energy.It's called feedback from the countless things we do on a day to day basis without even realizing it.When a thought happens it carries a certain amount of emotion and a multitude of feeling, but varying in magnitude...for every action there's a reaction...these vibrations interact with one another.

Control the interaction between all those emitters and receivers, you run the board.Electricity carries spirit energy also.It wasn't just lingering in the universe for billions of years before us, just so we can power our Pcs.
   
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Default 03-24-2017, 20:29 | posts: 5,358 | Location: EU, CZ, Brno

None of us sees colors same way. None of us hears same sound as someone else. None of us feels what others feel.

Every single person lives in reality of his/hers own. Because what we perceive is actually construct of our mind based on our inputs.
There are blind people who think that they see...

What does it matter if this is computer simulation or world made of physical particles. We as well may be physical experiment in some gigantic petri dish.
It only matters that we perceive, we feel and we have freedom of choice.
   
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Default 03-24-2017, 20:50 | posts: 2,016 | Location: Chicago

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None of us sees colors same way. None of us hears same sound as someone else. None of us feels what others feel.

Every single person lives in reality of his/hers own. Because what we perceive is actually construct of our mind based on our inputs.
There are blind people who think that they see...

What does it matter if this is computer simulation or world made of physical particles. We as well may be physical experiment in some gigantic petri dish.
It only matters that we perceive, we feel and we have freedom of choice.
I see your point. But spiritually, that means we have no decent after-life to look forward to since we aren't "real". That bothers me. I'm not speaking of Heaven. Just an after-life in general.

If we are simulated, how do we know we have freedom and aren't just on a train track, a path already set for us. We may feel it's a choice but it's really a digital path already programmed for us to follow. Like a scripted video game.

EDIT: And I just want to thank you guys for being able to have a civil conversation about this. Nice we all don't have to agree, but can still enjoy conversation and respect each other.
   
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Default 03-24-2017, 21:18 | posts: 667 | Location: UK

Agreed great convo.. kudos to all

As for after-life, I have always felt that my consciousness is not really apart of me but the real me, guiding this physical experience we call life

I have a few spiritual/weird encounters in my life to realise not all is as it seems to be
   
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Default 03-25-2017, 02:07 | posts: 2,753 | Location: M.K. England.

I think that when you dream you go of to a different space, time, continuum. And when you wake up and think hmm I liked that dream, it becomes a contender for a new life when you die. Or the opposite. Maybe when you die you got so many choices of a new life.

I belive your soul flies of to new planets and lives on when you die.

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Default 03-25-2017, 08:24 | posts: 667 | Location: UK

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I think that when you dream you go of to a different space, time, continuum. And when you wake up and think hmm I liked that dream, it becomes a contender for a new life when you die. Or the opposite. Maybe when you die you got so many choices of a new life.

I belive your soul flies of to new planets and lives on when you die.
Same as me mate, the soul and consciousness are eternal
   
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Agreed great convo.. kudos to all

As for after-life, I have always felt that my consciousness is not really apart of me but the real me, guiding this physical experience we call life

I have a few spiritual/weird encounters in my life to realise not all is as it seems to be
Stories about soul. If you could track their source, you would realize that no human being truly experienced anything that could hint soul in last few hundreds years.

Do not expect your existence to continue by other means than fragments of genetic memory you give to your children.
And I say it even through I had my share of weird stuff too.
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I see your point. But spiritually, that means we have no decent after-life to look forward to since we aren't "real". That bothers me. I'm not speaking of Heaven. Just an after-life in general.

If we are simulated, how do we know we have freedom and aren't just on a train track, a path already set for us. We may feel it's a choice but it's really a digital path already programmed for us to follow. Like a scripted video game.

EDIT: And I just want to thank you guys for being able to have a civil conversation about this. Nice we all don't have to agree, but can still enjoy conversation and respect each other.
If you are helpful or harmful to other people, it should come from you, not from some faith in God or promise of afterlife. Then you are expressing your choice.

Secondly you are free to toss coin for every decision you are about to make. That's how you can experience: "giving up on your choice", but even then if result of toss is too negative, you will still ignore it and experience your free will.

And then there is thing about simulation: If we were some kind of restricted simulation without having ability to chose for ourselves, there would be no reason to run it. It would be much more resource efficient to reduce complex iterative systems into more 'simple' sets of integrals representing each system with many variables.

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Default 03-28-2017, 18:04 | posts: 2,016 | Location: Chicago

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Stories about soul. If you could track their source, you would realize that no human being truly experienced anything that could hint soul in last few hundreds years.

Do not expect your existence to continue by other means than fragments of genetic memory you give to your children.
And I say it even through I had my share of weird stuff too.

If you are helpful or harmful to other people, it should come from you, not from some faith in God or promise of afterlife. Then you are expressing your choice.

Secondly you are free to toss coin for every decision you are about to make. That's how you can experience: "giving up on your choice", but even then if result of toss is too negative, you will still ignore it and experience your free will.

And then there is thing about simulation: If we were some kind of restricted simulation without having ability to chose for ourselves, there would be no reason to run it. It would be much more resource efficient to reduce complex iterative systems into more 'simple' sets of integrals representing each system with many variables.
All due respect. But you're just dismissing my opinion for your own. No one knows what happens when we die or the point to any of this.
   
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All due respect. But you're just dismissing my opinion for your own. No one knows what happens when we die or the point to any of this.
You simply should not care. It is pointless way to waste time. You are not going to find till you die.
Make best of your life (based on your moral standard). And if there is something afterwards... You will deal with it later.
Because even if there is something after death, not one person has a map for it. Not one person knows what will matter there.

Are there rules? Maybe, but we have no other rules than universal rules of physics... And we do not even understand those.
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And if you think about free will. You can always find your own way. Even as kid, I often picked up things on random.
Q: "Which Ice cream do you want?"
A: without even looking: "3rd one from the left."

Your will is as free as you make it. So called "Yes Man" has no other free will than his "submission" to others.
- - - -
I'll tell you small story from today. I went shopping and in one corner of shop, there was large container blocking so much space that just one person could walk there.
On both sides there were dozens of people wanting to get to another side. They looked like newborn chicken hiding in corner from rain.

I wanted to walk through that place too, because right in that corner was thing i went there for.
So I grab that large 1.5*1.5*1.5m container and drag it away. I nearly hit one of the zombies there. If I did, I would not care anyway.
And then I walked right through space I freed as 1st person, because zombies were still mentally blocked by fact that it was customer and not shop clerk who moved something around.

Those people probably did not experience true free will for months. They were not even thinking for themselves.
I am disruptive element to all I consider stupid from childhood. If that is not my free will, then I like my programing and design. If only there were more people like me.
   
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Default 03-28-2017, 20:24 | posts: 2,016 | Location: Chicago

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You simply should not care. It is pointless way to waste time. You are not going to find till you die.
Make best of your life (based on your moral standard). And if there is something afterwards... You will deal with it later.
Because even if there is something after death, not one person has a map for it. Not one person knows what will matter there.

Are there rules? Maybe, but we have no other rules than universal rules of physics... And we do not even understand those.
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And if you think about free will. You can always find your own way. Even as kid, I often picked up things on random.
Q: "Which Ice cream do you want?"
A: without even looking: "3rd one from the left."

Your will is as free as you make it. So called "Yes Man" has no other free will than his "submission" to others.
- - - -
I'll tell you small story from today. I went shopping and in one corner of shop, there was large container blocking so much space that just one person could walk there.
On both sides there were dozens of people wanting to get to another side. They looked like newborn chicken hiding in corner from rain.

I wanted to walk through that place too, because right in that corner was thing i went there for.
So I grab that large 1.5*1.5*1.5m container and drag it away. I nearly hit one of the zombies there. If I did, I would not care anyway.
And then I walked right through space I freed as 1st person, because zombies were still mentally blocked by fact that it was customer and not shop clerk who moved something around.

Those people probably did not experience true free will for months. They were not even thinking for themselves.
I am disruptive element to all I consider stupid from childhood. If that is not my free will, then I like my programing and design. If only there were more people like me.
So you consider yourself unique for moving something out of your way? lmao! You must live with some really dumb people. That story would not happen in Chicago.

I think for myself and act as I want. That doesn't mean I'm not allowed to follow a moral code. The world needs them.

And again, this is all your opinion. I appreciate your conversation, but you can't tell someone to live like you. If that's the case, start a religion, because you sound like you have an agenda.
   
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So you consider yourself unique for moving something out of your way? lmao! You must live with some really dumb people. That story would not happen in Chicago.

I think for myself and act as I want. That doesn't mean I'm not allowed to follow a moral code. The world needs them.

And again, this is all your opinion. I appreciate your conversation, but you can't tell someone to live like you. If that's the case, start a religion, because you sound like you have an agenda.
I just wrote some examples
My: "If you are helpful or harmful to other people, it should come from you, not from some faith in God or promise of afterlife."
Is pretty clear that I do not want you to follow my example. I want you to be yourself. And I think that it is only natural.

Only thing I would like for other people to really adopt from me is set of questions going like:
"Is this OK, what if everyone behaves like this?"
"What would my family think if I behaved like those people."
...

Basically something like little reality check for your own moral code.
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Btw. if I had religion it would be eugenics. (Not in any harsh way.)
   
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I just wrote some examples
My: "If you are helpful or harmful to other people, it should come from you, not from some faith in God or promise of afterlife."
Is pretty clear that I do not want you to follow my example. I want you to be yourself. And I think that it is only natural.

Only thing I would like for other people to really adopt from me is set of questions going like:
"Is this OK, what if everyone behaves like this?"
"What would my family think if I behaved like those people."
...

Basically something like little reality check for your own moral code.
- - - -
Btw. if I had religion it would be eugenics. (Not in any harsh way.)
Is there a peaceful way to eugenics? Lol. Hitler went too far, what's a happy medium?
   
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I'll tell you small story from today. I went shopping and in one corner of shop, there was large container blocking so much space that just one person could walk there.
On both sides there were dozens of people wanting to get to another side. They looked like newborn chicken hiding in corner from rain.

I wanted to walk through that place too, because right in that corner was thing i went there for.
So I grab that large 1.5*1.5*1.5m container and drag it away. I nearly hit one of the zombies there. If I did, I would not care anyway.
And then I walked right through space I freed as 1st person, because zombies were still mentally blocked by fact that it was customer and not shop clerk who moved something around.

Those people probably did not experience true free will for months. They were not even thinking for themselves.
I am disruptive element to all I consider stupid from childhood. If that is not my free will, then I like my programing and design. If only there were more people like me.
Wow Fox that be 2 heavy. Even for you
   
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Default 03-29-2017, 10:32 | posts: 5,358 | Location: EU, CZ, Brno

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Originally Posted by SerotoNiN View Post
Is there a peaceful way to eugenics? Lol. Hitler went too far, what's a happy medium?
It is simple:
People with serious genetic defects which are inheritable: No breeding unless it can be fixed
For rest: point system where people get points for physical ability and mental ability. (Diminishing returns, so one does not try to go easy way of becoming physically fit brain-dead. And not to encourage people to neglect physical health in improvement of mental abilities.)

In this point system:
Pairs who are way below average may have 1 child, in case of death, they may have another one.
Pairs who are average or slightly below (-10%) may have 2 children, If one dies, they may have another one.
Pairs who are above average may have any number of children.

Points for parents are averaged. Those who breach their limit may no longer have another children, even if all their previous ones die.

This principle would be in effect only in times when human population goes over certain threshold defined by technological sustainability.
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In our western societies, educated people, athletes, and many people who push mankind forward have very few children in average.
But then our western society allows uneducated and lazy people to have dozen children and live from social care money.

Idea is to change current situation. Because when creative people are being out-breeded by parasitic organisms, Life Form which we call Society is going to die. And those working people pay for it due to governments which love progressive taxation.
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There are huge benefits. If below average people have just one child, they can care for him/her better. Give him/her higher chance to succeed in life.
Strain on society would go down. (Social system)
People would generally strife to have healthier life-style. (less wasted resources on medical care)

World population would stabilize after some natural decline. And new, fresh mankind would emerge.
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There is need to understand that we defeated Darwinism at time term has been coined.
And that our society actually penalizes those who are great and cherishes mediocre people in name of some weird concept of "Social Justice".
It is not something we can continue doing for long before it becomes irreversible without genetic manipulation.
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It is same as Western world taking in, and feeding another 4~6 million people who will not contribute every year.
But countries from which those people are coming produce 20~30 million people in that year and they are bound to suffer.
Current approach will break our backs.
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Wow Fox that be 2 heavy. Even for you
It was on pallet with wheels. I am not crazy. Dragging it on the floor in the dust would make so much noise...
   
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