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Default 08-12-2016, 09:50 | posts: 12,886 | Location: Finland

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You don't have Fury Nitro Promo there?
In all Europe Sapphire has some Major Promo for it.
There's Nano for 349 but I don't think it's worth it. Only 4GB vram and people are reporting coil whine issues. It's also noisier and hotter. It's not semi passive and doesn't have hardware VP9 decoding. It's also 50 more expensive and actually slower in games that I play at least.

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Default 08-12-2016, 11:07 | posts: 4,747 | Location: Finland

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There's Nano for 349 but I don't think it's worth it. Only 4GB vram and people are reporting coil whine issues. It's also noisier and hotter. It's not semi passive and doesn't have hardware VP9 decoding. It's also 50 more expensive and actually slower in games that I play at least.
I got nano cause it will be a beast in future games and fast enough with DX11. 4GB is enough as u might have read in game tests.


   
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Default 08-12-2016, 13:34 | posts: 274 | Location: Vinita, OK

So where are all the custom RX 480 hell nVidia has all ready crank out a 2nd batch 1060 there always in stock
   
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There's Nano for 349 but I don't think it's worth it. Only 4GB vram and people are reporting coil whine issues. It's also noisier and hotter. It's not semi passive and doesn't have hardware VP9 decoding. It's also 50 more expensive and actually slower in games that I play at least.
Hmm You can customize BIOS the way you like for Nano
Easily 1080/570 with 220tW ! and if you have good Chassis it will stay inder 70deg.

And in Game it will be an Monster

Good price you have for it BTW.
   
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Default 08-12-2016, 16:16 | posts: 12,886 | Location: Finland

You just don't overclock the Nano with the stock cooler. Undervolting would be the best option i.e. trying to prevent from throttling. <70c is not realistic at all and even less so when overclocked. It would be noisy.

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I got nano cause it will be a beast in future games and fast enough with DX11. 4GB is enough as u might have read in game tests.
Tomb Raider is already hitting the 4GB wall easily, so is Mirror's Edge. If I buy a card now it sure as hell is not a 4GB version.

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Default 08-12-2016, 16:29 | posts: 4,747 | Location: Finland

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You just don't overclock the Nano with the stock cooler. Undervolting would be the best option i.e. trying to prevent from throttling. <70c is not realistic at all and even less so when overclocked. It would be noisy.



Tomb Raider is already hitting the 4GB wall easily, so is Mirror's Edge. If I buy a card now it sure as hell is not a 4GB version.
yet mirrors edge is working better with Fury X 4GB than 390x 8GB at 4K

I cant see memory problems ar all..



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Default 08-12-2016, 17:07 | posts: 6,767

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There's Nano for 349 but I don't think it's worth it. Only 4GB vram and people are reporting coil whine issues. It's also noisier and hotter. It's not semi passive and doesn't have hardware VP9 decoding. It's also 50 more expensive and actually slower in games that I play at least.
Dunno man. Depending on the resolution that Nano could prove a monster. It's surely better than the 480/1060.
   
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Dunno man. Depending on the resolution that Nano could prove a monster. It's surely better than the 480/1060.
In Doom using Vulcan Fury/Nano beats 480/1060 by a nice margin. It packs quite a bit more power indeed.

It all depends on the resolution and games you gonna be playing.
   
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yet mirrors edge is working better with Fury X 4GB than 390x 8GB at 4K

I cant see memory problems ar all..
I don't know what settings you use but I assume these benchmarks are accurate: http://www.***********.net/game-benc...1080-1070-390x
As far as I know, hyper will rape any 4GB card out there.

If you think it's going to be enough for you then great. 4GB wasn't enough for me.

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Dunno man. Depending on the resolution that Nano could prove a monster. It's surely better than the 480/1060.
That depends on what games you play. 4GB is potentially going to cause issues in the future since the VRAM usage is only going up.

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Default 08-12-2016, 17:35 | posts: 6,767

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I don't know what settings you use but I assume these benchmarks are accurate: http://www.***********.net/game-benc...1080-1070-390x
As far as I know, hyper will rape any 4GB card out there.
That's OpenGL.
   
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That's OpenGL.
Mirror's Edge?
   
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That's OpenGL.
I though it was running on Frostbyte which should be DX12.
   
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Default 08-12-2016, 17:49 | posts: 5,628

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That's OpenGL.
No that's DX11.
And Vulkan/Mantle tend to need even more VRAM than DX/OpenGL.

http://media.***********.net/images/...1080-hyper.png

Investing 300+ euros in 4GB card is crazy imho.
980 Ti (400 euros), 1070 (440 euros), 1060 (270 euros).. they are all much better buy than Fury/Nano.

https://abload.de/img/screenshot2016-08-121jhsml.png

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Problem is that Hyper settings in Mirror's Edge is too much for any midrange card. Digital Foundry did a nice test between 970 and 390. On nvidia card Hyper settings was a slideshow (due Vram) while 390 was pushing higher fps but still high 30's lower 40's.

You'll need more GPU power and something like 1070 for that 60fps.
   
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Default 08-12-2016, 19:17 | posts: 8,155 | Location: FLA,USA

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Problem is that Hyper settings in Mirror's Edge is too much for any midrange card. Digital Foundry did a nice test between 970 and 390. On nvidia card Hyper settings was a slideshow (due Vram) while 390 was pushing higher fps but still high 30's lower 40's.

You'll need more GPU power and something like 1070 for that 60fps.
So nano is mid range now?
   
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So nano is mid range now?
No, i meant 480 and 1060 that wont have enough GPU power while Nano have enough GPU power but not enough Vram.

Drawbacks everywhere...
   
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No, i meant 480 and 1060 that wont have enough GPU power while Nano have enough GPU power but not enough Vram.

Drawbacks everywhere...
Oh I see. He was pointing out the 4GB limitation with those benches though. The FuryX and 970 both could not play Catalyst on hyper but anything 6GB+ could. Look in that game you can get away with playing at 30 FPS so anything in the 40's is playable. The 390X was playable.

And I agree the 480 and 1060 can't use 8 and 6Gb respectively but can use more than 4 and 3GB. The Fiji cards were held back looks like by HBM1's 4GB limit.

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Default 08-12-2016, 19:31 | posts: 9,667 | Location: Serbia, NS

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And I agree the 480 and 1060 can't use 8 and 6Gb respectively but can use more than 4 and 3GB. The Fiji cards were held back looks like by HBM1's 4GB limit.
That is what i was always saying for 390 and now 480. Even if it cant use all 8GB effectively it can still use atleast 5-6gb before it runs out of GPU power. Still better than 4GB.
   
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Cool 08-12-2016, 20:44 | posts: 2,865 | Location: HolyWater Village

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yet mirrors edge is working better with Fury X 4GB than 390x 8GB at 4K

I cant see memory problems ar all..
Yeah, the Benchmark Thinking is the sole Problem with ppl
They just blindly believe what they read

HBM is not a problem Now and it won't be in near (3-4 Years) future - Period.

@Anarion
As for OC with Undervolt go there and read -> http://www.overclock.net/t/1547314/o...ners-club/0_50

And some BIOS Moding Help -> http://www.overclock.net/t/1592384/f...n-pro-duo/0_50

I think, you'll be Most pleased with Fiji now and in the future
But as always it's My Opinion.

Best for the Money?
Fury -> Nano or Nitro (Mantle/DX12/Vulcan)
GTX -> 1070 or 980Ti (Good DX11 Perf.)

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You guys know when BIOS editor 10x series be available?
   
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You guys know when BIOS editor 10x series be available?
Try here -> http://www.overclock.net
   
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It is dead silence there. 2.5 months since release
   
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Default 08-12-2016, 23:17 | posts: 12,886 | Location: Finland

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No, i meant 480 and 1060 that wont have enough GPU power while Nano have enough GPU power but not enough Vram.

Drawbacks everywhere...
I used to have GTX 680 SLI. It had a lot of power but when it hit the VRAM wall... It was a big problem in Skyrim. When that happened it was beyond unplayable. I REALLY don't want to get burned again.

GTX 970 was showing those signs (i.e. games using all 4GB) and things will only get worse in the future. While the Nano has attractive pricing it's not quite worth the extra 50 over GTX 1060 with custom cooler. The difference in performance is not that big and it varies from game to game. Also for me idle noise is important too and unfortunately Nano isn't semi-passive.

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It is dead silence there. 2.5 months since release
Hmm maby its not ready yet?
You need to be patience i think (Yes i know ;-))
   
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Hmm maby its not ready yet?
You need to be patience i think (Yes i know ;-))
I tried my best to be patient, but with the rumors being 2017-2018. I just couldn't wait. If Vega is a hit when it eventually launches, I may well pick one up. Sorry AMD, but your silence is deafening.
   
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