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Default 06-13-2017, 14:53 | posts: 8,155 | Location: FLA,USA

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It's different leadership so maybe turning over a new leaf.

Hopefully that is the case, but he will be the person that gets the abuse if something in the future gets exclusive content.
Paying for exclusive content is likely expensive as well, so there is a financial incentive for them.

Just noticed what thread this is, assuming that was posted here because it's an AMD GPU?? Not sure if it quite fits though.
Yes but he is representing a company that was engaged in this very activity less than two years ago. I don't care if he wasn't in charge. It's still Microsoft/XBox. It's not how he should have made the statement. It has an air of arrogance to it. Like, "These peasants won't remember all the shady **** we were doing before."

No wait it's Spencer he was in charge when this was happening. SMH

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Lightbulb 06-13-2017, 16:36 | posts: 2,865 | Location: HolyWater Village

Radeon Pro SSG: Enabling 4K and 8K Content Creation Workflows





   
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Default 06-14-2017, 14:05 | posts: 39

Need amd hardware to run pubg, this game runs poorly..

The wait is killing
   
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Default 06-14-2017, 19:17 | posts: 6,767

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It was fine when they had timed exclusives though right? RotTR, map packs for COD and many more. Sounds like he wants to take his ball and go home.

Remember this was the company that was going to lock disks to your account, require your console to connect to the internet just to play a single player game and require you to buy the Kenect even though you didn't want it. Yeah you guys are for the gamers. GTFOH
These are still exclusives, it's just that people don't realize that Microsoft is interested in Windows Platform exclusives, and not Xbox exclusives. They don't care if you're using a PC or an Xbox, as long as you run Windows. The idea is the same, the target is a software platform instead of a device.
   
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These are still exclusives, it's just that people don't realize that Microsoft is interested in Windows Platform exclusives, and not Xbox exclusives. They don't care if you're using a PC or an Xbox, as long as you run Windows. The idea is the same, the target is a software platform instead of a device.
Yes that's exactly what I'm getting at. M$ is mad Sony beat them at their own game with PS4 for 3 years. Just with they would stop all this anti-consumer $hit.
   
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Smile 06-14-2017, 19:52 | posts: 2,865 | Location: HolyWater Village

Personally? Im more interested what i have from this exclusive etc. PR
So:
-> Apex/Forza H3/F7 etc. Joy & DX12

Now what we have from Sony?
-> PS4 JoyPad & Tekken 7



I will be Full in Heaven when i get this kind of GFX in Game (it can be less "dense")
And with new APIs + CPU 8/16 or more & H/W with HBM with Compute GPU workload (Async) it is possible....

Hmm, im just wondering where is Crysis 4 or who will be the first to show us CGI like Game?
SW BF2 Maby? or Metro?






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Default 06-14-2017, 20:13 | posts: 8,155 | Location: FLA,USA

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Personally? Im more interested what i have from this exclusive etc. PR
So:
-> Apex/Forza H3/F7 etc. Joy & DX12

Now what we have from Sony?
-> PS4 JoyPad & Tekken 7
Forza is a Microsoft studio game like Halo and the such. That's not what this is about. This is about third party Devs favoring a platform over another in the form of Sony gets an exclusive mission in AC or Microsoft gets map packs 1 month prior to PC and Sony getting them in COD. Or the best one Rise of the Tomb Raider the entire game being a timed exclusive on XBox One. That right there is what he is now talking down about. It sounds more like Sony beat M$ out this go round for exclusive content.

BTW Sony gets The Last of Us 2, Knack2, God of War and a few other exclusives from their first party developers.
   
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Default 06-14-2017, 20:42 | posts: 17,651 | Location: Glasgow

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Yes that's exactly what I'm getting at. M$ is mad Sony beat them at their own game with PS4 for 3 years. Just with they would stop all this anti-consumer $hit.
I don't think they are mad at all, but I do agree it's massively hypocritical to go for the moral high ground when it was only yesterday they were doing the same thing.
MS is definitely heading in a better direction than Sony though, but the top dog at the time always does.

Anyway, a single discovery has me not just wanting the One X but might switch back to AMD GPU's.

I'm probably late to realise this but the One X has Freesync support and apparently Freesync TV's are now a thing
   
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Default 06-14-2017, 21:41 | posts: 8,155 | Location: FLA,USA

Phil is at it again.

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GC: What also frustrates me is that the only number I do care about is the only that you and Sony donít obsess over. Which is 60fps, which I understand is easier to do on the Xbox One X than any other console.

PS: Thatís correct. ButÖ [laughs] Why do you care about 60fps?

GC: Itís the only number that affects gameplay and yet itís the only one you two never go on about! No-one can tell the difference between 4K and 1080p and all that nonsenseÖ

PS: You just broke your whole argument now!

GC: How?

PS: You just said these games could run on a Commodore 64, they would not run at 60 frames per second on a Commodore 64.

GC: Uridium did.

PS: [laughs] Iím not disagreeing with you. But itís a subjective opinion that thatís the only one that matters.

All: [laughs]

GC: Itís the only one that affects gameplay.

PS: Övisuals do affect gameplay.

GC: Not the resolution though. Not in any manner close to the difference a good frame rate makes.

PS: Donít get me wrong. I love frame rate. I love Ori, itís one of the reasons I love playing Forza Motorsport. But you have to go back to what you said before: most people. What frame rate does Minecraft run at?

GC: I know, but if the frame rate is below what it needs to be Ė and it does vary for different games Ė they do notice. They might not identify the problem, but they know somethingís wrong.

PS: Some people do. Some people just want to have fun playing Lego Batman.
   
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At what? GC is clearly some sort of troll.
   
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Default 06-14-2017, 22:58 | posts: 274 | Location: Vinita, OK

Beyond Good and Evil 2 I WAITED 15 YEARS FOR THIS!, Now can die happy now with Best E3 trailer of year, Ubisoft just saved E3 2017 LoL.
   
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Default 06-15-2017, 00:59 | posts: 8,155 | Location: FLA,USA

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At what? GC is clearly some sort of troll.
Defending not targeting 60FPS as a standard.
   
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Default 06-15-2017, 01:03 | posts: 17,651 | Location: Glasgow

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Defending not targeting 60FPS as a standard.
He's defending a personal preference, and doing it in a way that comes across like a forum user and not a professional.

Slightly more on topic, I've been doing a bit of reading and so far it's just seems to be Samsung, but having Freesync on a TV is a deal breaker for me as i won't go back to a monitor.

Looks like I've eventually found a reason to get an AMD GPU.

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Default 06-15-2017, 08:36 | posts: 6,501 | Location: Finland

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He's defending a personal preference, and doing it in a way that comes across like a forum user and not a professional.
Which is the way it usually goes for everyone. People do not tend to stay professional if emotion is even remotely part of the argument.
   
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Default 06-15-2017, 16:45 | posts: 5,345 | Location: EU, CZ, Brno

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Defending not targeting 60FPS as a standard.
That entire conversation there is stupid as one can get.

Does not play at 60fps, should not be released. End of the story.

It is F*ing console, they can control this. If they don't, they do not deserve any sales at all.
   
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The market for 60fps on a console is pretty small though.

There is a reason most devs avoid 60fps outside of MP.
   
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They're doing things backwards if they can't even make splitscreen halo games anymore.

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Default 06-16-2017, 01:02 | posts: 654

AMD 100-506061 Radeon Vega Frontier Edition Air Cooled 16GB HBC Workstation Graphics Card - $1,199.00
https://www.sabrepc.com/amd-100-506...ooled-16gb-hbc-workstation-graphics-card.html
   
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AMD 100-506061 Radeon Vega Frontier Edition Air Cooled 16GB HBC Workstation Graphics Card - $1,199.00
https://www.sabrepc.com/amd-100-506...ooled-16gb-hbc-workstation-graphics-card.html
Them workstation cards. Still costs quite a bit less then quadros.
   
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Them workstation cards. Still costs quite a bit less then quadros.
Frontier aircooled $1199, watercooled $1799 ... Will be interesting to see how much different the "gamer" version is aside from clocks and support.

Anyway, based on AMD's internal benchmarks this card is almost on par with the P4000 quadro card which is around $820 ... some existing reviews even have the P2000 ahead when compared to AMD's released internal benchmarks. Looking forward to some Independent benchmark reviews which should show the true performance differences.

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Frontier aircooled $1199, watercooled $1799 ... Will be interesting to see how much different the "gamer" version is aside from clocks and support.

Anyway, based on AMD's internal benchmarks this card is almost on par with the P4000 quadro card which is around $820 ... some existing reviews even have the P2000 ahead when compared to AMD's released internal benchmarks. Independent benchmark reviews should show the true performance differences.
I would hope it would be quite a bit faster then card comparable to 1070. But if AMD simply doesn't know how to do professional cards oh wey.
   
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AMD 100-506061 Radeon Vega Frontier Edition Air Cooled 16GB HBC Workstation Graphics Card - $1,199.00
https://www.sabrepc.com/amd-100-506...ooled-16gb-hbc-workstation-graphics-card.html
Brand - AMD
Model - 100-506061
Type- Workstation/Desktop
Chipset Manufacturer- AMD
Code Name- Vega
GPU- Radeon Vega Frontier Edition
Memory Size- 16GB
Memory Type- HBC/HBM v2
Memory Bandwidth- ~483 GB/s
Stream Processors- 4096
Core Clock- TBA
Interface- PCI-E 3.0 x16
Overclocked- No
Single Precision Peak Floating Point- 13.1 TFLOPS
Double Precision Peak Floating Point- 26.2 TFLOPS
Low Profile- Yes
Cooling Type- Active Fan
API Support- DirectX 12.1, OpenGL 4.5, OpenCL 3.0, Vulkan 1.0
Max Resolution TBA
Outputs- 3x DisplayPort 1.4 HBR3/HDR Ready, 1x HDMI 4K60
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looking at This ^^ everybody should know that Gaming Vega will be Brutal....

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More and more I suspect AMD is pulling another 2900xt. Brutal power consumption, brutal price, but average performance.
   
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Brand - AMD
Model - 100-506061
Type- Workstation/Desktop
Chipset Manufacturer- AMD
Code Name- Vega
GPU- Radeon Vega Frontier Edition
Memory Size- 16GB
Memory Type- HBC/HBM v2
Memory Bandwidth- ~483 GB/s
Stream Processors- 4096
Core Clock- TBA
Interface- PCI-E 3.0 x16
Overclocked- No
Single Precision Peak Floating Point- 13.1 TFLOPS
Double Precision Peak Floating Point- 26.2 TFLOPS
Low Profile- Yes
Cooling Type- Active Fan
API Support- DirectX 12.1, OpenGL 4.5, OpenCL 3.0, Vulkan 1.0
Max Resolution TBA
Outputs- 3x DisplayPort 1.4 HBR3/HDR Ready, 1x HDMI 4K60
Form Factor- Dual-slot, full length
OS Supported- All
Max Power Consumption- TBA

looking at This ^^ everybody should know that Gaming Vega will be Brutal....
Other sites listing it have the TDP at 300w.

https://exxactcorp.com/index.php/pro...od_detail/2565
   
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Other sites listing it have the TDP at 300w.

https://exxactcorp.com/index.php/pro...od_detail/2565
Seems to say max board TDP 300W for air cooled and 375W for liquid cooled in the small image comparing to Titan Xp which has 250W TDP.

Interesting.

Also this still Pixel Fillrate 90 Gpixels/s means it would be under 1400mhz while that 13.1 tflops says it would be 1600mhz.
   
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