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Default 01-29-2017, 11:40 | posts: 31,511 | Location: Hampshire, UK

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Why is that? Try to push it more. My reaches 4.7 easy with 1.38v and i can use it at 4.8ghz but it needs 1.4v+.

Btw, eclap highly overclocked 2500k + fast ram isnt getting spanked by stock 6600/7600k. Its more or less have similiar performance.


Nah, it still looses quite considerably and you can't really use fast ram with a Sandy.
   
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Default 01-29-2017, 11:45 | posts: 9,667 | Location: Serbia, NS

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Nah, it still looses quite considerably and you can't really use fast ram with a Sandy.
You can use up to 2133mhz and if you watched the op video (from DF) you'll see Sandy still benefit much from faster ram. Standard reviews do not bother with. Im sure nexus was testing with stock ram/clocks.
   
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Default 01-29-2017, 15:01 | posts: 1,021

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Why is that? Try to push it more. My reaches 4.7 easy with 1.38v and i can use it at 4.8ghz but it needs 1.4v+.
I run 4.2 at 1.2v. Going to 4.3 isn't stable, and I tried up to 1.27v. So it's probably my mainboard (MSI P67A-C43.) It's not an OC mainboard (you can tell since max vcore setting is 1.35v; OC mainboards allow much higher than that.)

In any event, 4.2GHz is good enough. Runs pretty much every game and doesn't seem to bottleneck my GPU. If I had any issues whatsoever, I would have already upgraded to a newer platform. Money isn't the issue, it's that I still don't have a reason to upgrade since everything runs fine :-)

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Default 01-29-2017, 20:51 | posts: 31,511 | Location: Hampshire, UK

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I run 4.2 at 1.2v. Going to 4.3 isn't stable, and I tried up to 1.27v. So it's probably my mainboard (MSI P67A-C43.) It's not an OC mainboard (you can tell since max vcore setting is 1.35v; OC mainboards allow much higher than that.)

In any event, 4.2GHz is good enough. Runs pretty much every game and doesn't seem to bottleneck my GPU. If I had any issues whatsoever, I would have already upgraded to a newer platform. Money isn't the issue, it's that I still don't have a reason to upgrade since everything runs fine :-)
That's fair play mate, my 2500k still runs most games perfectly fine but in MMOs and race sims, a beefier cpu coupled with a lot faster ram yields some benefits. If it wasn't for these games, I would not even consider upgrading, but going from 35fps to 50fps in some games is massive for me.
   
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Default 01-29-2017, 23:23 | posts: 3,251 | Location: Pennsylvania

The only reason that I can see for anyone to upgrade from Sandybridge to Skylake or Kabylake or even Ryzen if their motherboard is starting to show signs of death no matter how far they lower their OC it acts up.

With my rig I upgraded from a C2Q Q6600 to my i7 that I have now. And I hope to keep my current rig for 5+ years and make the GPU upgrade ever so often.

I own a Dell Precision m4600 laptop from 2011 and it has a SandyBridge i7 2820QM which is one of them mobile quad chips and it is a beast of a of a laptop for the money I paid for it.
   
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Default 01-30-2017, 01:13 | posts: 2,255 | Location: Tennessee

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The only reason that I can see for anyone to upgrade from Sandybridge to Skylake or Kabylake or even Ryzen if their motherboard is starting to show signs of death no matter how far they lower their OC it acts up.

With my rig I upgraded from a C2Q Q6600 to my i7 that I have now. And I hope to keep my current rig for 5+ years and make the GPU upgrade ever so often.

I own a Dell Precision m4600 laptop from 2011 and it has a SandyBridge i7 2820QM which is one of them mobile quad chips and it is a beast of a of a laptop for the money I paid for it.
Just going from a q6600 @ 3.75 ghz to a i7 950 @ 4.1ghz was massive.
6GB DDR2 800 vs 12GB DDR3 1600 was big too.

In my testing 4 cores is not enough anymore for anything older then i5 4570k @ 4.5ghz.

When I ran my 3930k with 4 threads at 4.6 it struggled alot more then 6 threads at 3.6.
   
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Default 01-30-2017, 17:07 | posts: 31,511 | Location: Hampshire, UK

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Just going from a q6600 @ 3.75 ghz to a i7 950 @ 4.1ghz was massive.
6GB DDR2 800 vs 12GB DDR3 1600 was big too.

In my testing 4 cores is not enough anymore for anything older then i5 4570k @ 4.5ghz.

When I ran my 3930k with 4 threads at 4.6 it struggled alot more then 6 threads at 3.6.
Yeah, the 6C/12T 6800k is actually only some £50 more than the 7700k, it looks pretty strong on paper. Probably a better buy than the 7700k.
   
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Default 02-04-2017, 09:19 | posts: 10

My friend was kind to hook me up with his old parts i7 2700K, 660ti for free. How future proof is the CPU? I'm looking to replace the gpu later this year. Would a 1060 GTX be bottlenecked by a OC'ed 2700K? If the i5 2500k still fares well I guess the i7 2700K is more than enough for the time being?
   
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Default 02-04-2017, 09:32 | posts: 52 | Location: Romania

You are perfectly fine with i7 2700K, as games tend to favor more and more multi-threading over the raw single thread power. GTX 1060 would very likely be the donkey as you go higher on resolution scale.
   
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You are perfectly fine with i7 2700K, as games tend to favor more and more multi-threading over the raw single thread power. GTX 1060 would very likely be the donkey as you go higher on resolution scale.
Thanks man. I'll mainly game in 1080p but I do have two 1440p monitors from my old build that will be of use. I guess that at that resolution some bottleneck will be noticed?
   
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Default 02-04-2017, 11:32 | posts: 52 | Location: Romania

It depends on the game, of course, but in general GTX 1060/RX 480 will have a hard time with two 1440p monitors.

P.S. I feel like we are stealing the thread

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Default 02-04-2017, 11:57 | posts: 3,251 | Location: Pennsylvania

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Thanks man. I'll mainly game in 1080p but I do have two 1440p monitors from my old build that will be of use. I guess that at that resolution some bottleneck will be noticed?
Yeah that is where your 1060 would struggle using 2 1440p monitors. 1070/1080 would be the cards of choice for that resolution because you would be over 4k @ 2880p depending on the settings of said game and how greatly or poorly optimized said game is. But even then the 1070 and the 1080 would probably struggle beyond 4K.
   
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Default 02-05-2017, 11:16 | posts: 3,598 | Location: Germany

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The only reason that I can see for anyone to upgrade from Sandybridge to Skylake or Kabylake or even Ryzen if their motherboard is starting to show signs of death no matter how far they lower their OC it acts up.
That's the kind of situation I'm in right now.

My 2600k started off with a P67 board, then later (after that board had died) I upgraded it to a Z77, then later to a different Z77 after that board had gone sour also. Now, my current board is showing issues again... (I guess they don't like to sit around in idle for way too long with sparse venting from my low rpm fans).
I tried to upgrade two times in between, once with a 4770k and once with a 4790k.
My chip is set to run at 4.3GHz, default vcore, and none of the newer chips were considerably faster (not even with the overclocks I got out of them right away). So I kept it.
Now, with newer games like BF1 or racing games I think I've seen enough evidence to get something with more cores finally.
I certainly wouldn't consider an upgrade if my board hadn't shown signs of serious issues again.
This way, I could get PCIe 3.0 and two more cores. I'd always get something with HT again.
   
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My own personal view on this is that it is also somewhat dependent upon your motherboard and what features it supports. My main reason for going from the X58 wasn't all about or even mostly about my 980x performing bad. It was everything else that was falling behind. Memory speed, SATA speed/lack of native ports, USB, PCIe, broken sleep power states, no UEFI. Now I realize that isn't exactly comparable in degree, but in context. This new systems is zippy smooth....it's soon enough it still has than new smell...

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Default 02-10-2017, 22:41 | posts: 778

Stick with my 2500K @ 4.5 with 2133 DDR3, Need upgrade GPU to keep it for few years till I get major upgrade to 8 core CPU.
   
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Default 02-11-2017, 18:16 | posts: 735 | Location: Peoples Republic of Kalifornia

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Yep, we're talking quite a bit of money too.
I looked back at what I paid for the parts back in early 2012 and I'd get crap for the same amount today.
I just priced out what it would cost me to buy a new i5-7600k, z270 motherboard, and some ram from my local Microcenter and it works out to be almost exactly what I paid for my i5-4670k, Asrock z87 Extreme4, and 16gb DDR3 back in the day.

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Oh.. you're in norway. Im guessing the weakening of the Euro is why it costs so much more there.
   
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Default 02-12-2017, 12:42 | posts: 715 | Location: England

After much debating over a few weeks I've just upgraded from an i7 3770k @4.2Ghz with 1600 DDR3 to a i7 7700k with 3200 DDR4 and for me its been very much worthwhile.

Whilst there were many games where the 3770k was fine, some games like Total War and Forza ran poorly. With the 7700k not only have I been able to max all graphics settings in Forza, but it also never ever stutters anywhere even around surfers paradise.

In Total War Attila, I've been able to increase settings but also again eliminate occasional stutters.

For me its not always about boosting average frames but stopping low minimum frames and stutters.

That's my findings anyway. One other improvement for me with my specific i7 7700k is that it doesn't have the heat issues of Ivy. On air under IBT max temp is 63C @ 4.5Ghz.
   
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Default 03-13-2017, 20:06 | posts: 828 | Location: Old England

Still very happy with mine but would like a second hand 3500k to unlock PCI-E 3.0 on my system. The 2500k is hindering GPU bandwidth to PCI-E 2.0.
   
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2600k also tested now





   
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Default 04-10-2017, 15:21 | posts: 7,095

3570k to 7700k no perceptible difference whatsoever in gaming. But I didnt upgrade to game, rather to have a more up-to-date platform (4 years, longest I've been on a CPU). I can appreciate slight improvements in multi-tasking, archive unpacking, but nothing to qualify as upgrade-worthy in itself. Ah! I do recall one game where there is a nice improvement, chess! Not in FPS but in the time to analyze moves. Noticeably quicker there.
   
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Default 04-11-2017, 14:57 | posts: 354

I'd like to see a test of a 2600k/2500k at 5.0-5.3ghz vs a 6600k/7600k since I've read most chips can do 5ghz+ if you have good water cooling and aren't afraid of 1.5v+
   
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Default 04-12-2017, 12:50 | posts: 1,303 | Location: Southampton, UK

I built my 2500K system at the start of 2012, I immediately overclocked the system to 4.8GHz, coupled with 16GB of DDR3 ram and a speedy SSD I remember the build feeling lightning fast. Over the next 5 years that i5 did a fantastic job of running all manner of games. I think originally I was running a pair of GTX 470s, by the time I eventually decided a new build was required my 2500K was feeding a 980Ti (recently RMAd that card).

I wonít start a red vs blue debate here but certainly in the past 12 months my i5 SB was feeling its age. BF1 at launch was pretty unplayable; in fact gaming meant closing down everything none essential when trying to play 2017 titles.

I have seen a night and day improvement in upgrading throughout my system. A fresh install of Win 10 Iím sure played its part but itís awesome to have system resources to spare when either gaming or using Premiere etc.

4 threads in 2017 is starting to feel really limiting IMHO. I think there are some decent upgrade options available this year either with Kaby Lake or Ryzen..
   
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Also a nice test, 2600k vs 6700k (GTX970). Is it the time to upgrade? No, not really :




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Default 04-13-2017, 12:31 | posts: 3,251 | Location: Pennsylvania

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I built my 2500K system at the start of 2012, I immediately overclocked the system to 4.8GHz, coupled with 16GB of DDR3 ram and a speedy SSD I remember the build feeling lightning fast. Over the next 5 years that i5 did a fantastic job of running all manner of games. I think originally I was running a pair of GTX 470s, by the time I eventually decided a new build was required my 2500K was feeding a 980Ti (recently RMAd that card).

I wonít start a red vs blue debate here but certainly in the past 12 months my i5 SB was feeling its age. BF1 at launch was pretty unplayable; in fact gaming meant closing down everything none essential when trying to play 2017 titles.

I have seen a night and day improvement in upgrading throughout my system. A fresh install of Win 10 Iím sure played its part but itís awesome to have system resources to spare when either gaming or using Premiere etc.

4 threads in 2017 is starting to feel really limiting IMHO. I think there are some decent upgrade options available this year either with Kaby Lake or Ryzen..
Exactly what it boils down to is what games you play or what else you use your PC for and what resolution and eye candy that you use with each game. With the games that I play I know that my i7 will last me for quite some time as I don't care for alot of modern titles.
   
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