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Default 05-31-2015, 14:41 | posts: 1,325 | Location: South Africa

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Any difference in performance between the two? on single gpu?
don't know will maybe test later. All i can say is i played project cars yesterday on almost max with track detail on low and grass on off and no lag get constant 96fps. frametimes also lower.

can you include mantle from driver 15.4 cause there I get over 18mil. i still play bf4 with mantle and can do with the better mantle scores.

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Default 05-31-2015, 15:13 | posts: 6,766

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Great Idea

I've tested all versions on Project Cars / win 8.1 / 290x

I watched the same replay and took the readings at the start of the race and 10 seconds into the race when only the players car was on screen.

Thanks for this, it is just proof that the method works, for people who might not believe it

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There's just one small problem with this method. Any settings that you might have in CCC or RadeonPro gets ignored. At least that's what happened with DOOM 3 BFG when I used an older OpengGL.dll.
What you say sounds right, but I'm not 100% sure yet. That would depend on how the driver you use now is interpreting calls I guess. I haven't had time to check. Which settings did you try?

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Nice idea! Will this work for mantle games as well? Looking to use the mantle from 1018 drivers if someone can help.
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don't know will maybe test later. All i can say is i played project cars yesterday on almost max with track detail on low and grass on off and no lag get constant 96fps. frametimes also lower.

can you include mantle from driver 15.4 cause there I get over 18mil. i still play bf4 with mantle and can do with the better mantle scores.
I'm uploading the Mantle dll files now.

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I got a request for you already. Can you add the DLL files, primarily for OpenGL, DX9 to DX11.2 too as secondary. From version 13.12 of AMD Drivers (people using MPC and MPDN on other forums find those to be the best drivers for media players, and it would be interesting to see if the DLL's work with the latest drivers).
I'm uploading the 13.12 driver dlls now. The dlls will work as long as your hardware ids are recongized by the drivers in the dlls.
   
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Default 05-31-2015, 15:15 | posts: 1,325 | Location: South Africa

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Thanks for this, it is just proof that the method works, for people who might not believe it


What you say sounds right, but I'm not 100% sure yet. That would depend on how the driver you use now is interpreting calls I guess. I haven't had time to check. Which settings did you try?




I'm uploading the Mantle dll files now.


I'm uploading the 13.12 driver dlls now. The dlls will work as long as your hardware ids are recongized by the drivers in the dlls.
I see mantle but no 15.4. Can you upload that one please as it's giving me the best results
   
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Default 05-31-2015, 15:31 | posts: 502 | Location: Bangladesh

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What you say sounds right, but I'm not 100% sure yet. That would depend on how the driver you use now is interpreting calls I guess. I haven't had time to check. Which settings did you try?
I tried to force Vsync through the drivers instead of the ingame Vsync, and it didn't work. That was long ago, I tried that same .dll file a few months ago out of curiosity and I get textures missing. That file is from the 12.XX era and is outdated, that could be a reason too, as OpenGL has made progress.
   
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Default 05-31-2015, 15:41 | posts: 6,766

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I see mantle but no 15.4. Can you upload that one please as it's giving me the best results
The files are still uploading, 1Mbit...

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I tried to force Vsync through the drivers instead of the ingame Vsync, and it didn't work. That was long ago, I tried that same .dll file a few months ago out of curiosity and I get textures missing. That file is from the 12.XX era and is outdated, that could be a reason too, as OpenGL has made progress.
I never remember CCC vsync actually working, it is one of the gripes I have with AMD drivers actually :p
   
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Default 05-31-2015, 16:51 | posts: 112 | Location: Mauritius

@PrMinisterGR thanks for the mantle upload, but I am getting this error when loading up BF4, any ideas?

   
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Default 05-31-2015, 16:56 | posts: 1,325 | Location: South Africa

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@PrMinisterGR thanks for the mantle upload, but I am getting this error when loading up BF4, any ideas?

I don't think mantle files work the same way as directx so we can't copy the files or we not copying all the files or the correct files.
   
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Default 05-31-2015, 17:10 | posts: 6,766

I'm uploading all the dlls that have "mantle" in their name, they are four in total. If anyone can point me in a direction where I can find which exactly are the files, or if I'm missing something, please do.
   
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Default 05-31-2015, 18:03 | posts: 1,148 | Location: Moscow, Russia

Omg, ty PrMinisterGR...you saved me a lot of time and effort

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Default 05-31-2015, 18:48 | posts: 529 | Location: Finland

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Great Idea

I've tested all versions on Project Cars / win 8.1 / 290x

I watched the same replay and took the readings at the start of the race and 10 seconds into the race when only the players car was on screen.

Could you check your gpu usage?
   
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Default 05-31-2015, 18:51 | posts: 502 | Location: Bangladesh

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Why not just upload the _ files and let people extract it for themselves? This will shorten download and upload times for everyone!
   
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Default 05-31-2015, 20:34 | posts: 2,456 | Location: United Kingdom - Manchester

What an interesting way to get the driver game improvements without having to update a driver, just dropped the 15.5 files into my Project Cars directory (I'm on 15.4 drivers) and it was really good improvement and a clear difference in performance.

I recon this would make a great sticky with a slight title change to "AMD Driver DLL Repository", its very useful for testing purposes without having to deal with a full driver reinstall.
   
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Maybe the amdmantle64.dll file is missing?

   
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Sticky this...................
   
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Default 06-01-2015, 01:51 | posts: 6,766

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Why not just upload the _ files and let people extract it for themselves? This will shorten download and upload times for everyone!
Extraction is a bit tricky, and I'm zipping them with the best possible compression. The Zip file both compresses, and makes sure that the dll you get from the download is not corrupt, so it's a win-win for ease/size.

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Maybe the amdmantle64.dll file is missing?

Good catch. I'm reuploading now, and if anybody wants they can check. I have nothing that uses Mantle, except 3D Mark.

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Just be aware that the dll files may not always work, or be truly representative of what it would be like with the proper driver installed. I guess it depends on the interoperability of the dll file sand the drive .sys files etc.

The other issue is to remember exactly what versions of dll files you place where, and to actually remove etc when you install a new driver. I can just imagine now people complaining about games not improving with new drivers when they have simply forgotten to remove old dll's from the folder!

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just that people should be aware of the potential downsides .
   
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15.200.1038.0 is out...
   
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Wtf.. already a new one.
   
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Default 06-01-2015, 13:24 | posts: 1,325 | Location: South Africa

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Just be aware that the dll files may not always work, or be truly representative of what it would be like with the proper driver installed. I guess it depends on the interoperability of the dll file sand the drive .sys files etc.

The other issue is to remember exactly what versions of dll files you place where, and to actually remove etc when you install a new driver. I can just imagine now people complaining about games not improving with new drivers when they have simply forgotten to remove old dll's from the folder!

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just that people should be aware of the potential downsides .
This is only for experience users not the average Joe
   
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Wtf.. already a new one.
Red team on a roll...

   
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Extraction is a bit tricky, and I'm zipping them with the best possible compression. The Zip file both compresses, and makes sure that the dll you get from the download is not corrupt, so it's a win-win for ease/size.
Expand the dlls and then compress them with 7zip for best results.


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Default 06-01-2015, 13:36 | posts: 212 | Location: Toronto

This is very interesting. So I could potentially dump driver dlls into certain game folders and reap the benefits?? I am personally getting pretty good frame rates with witcher 3 on the 15.5 drivers, but this would be good for those trouble games.. Very interesting.
   
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rofl yep.
   
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I can just imagine now people complaining about games not improving with new drivers when they have simply forgotten to remove old dll's from the folder!

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just that people should be aware of the potential downsides .
Computer basics 1on1, but you're right, I can imagine people forgetting to remove the dlls.

I always have my own personal database with all the necessary D3D and OpenGL driver *.dlls from Catalyst 12.6 up to 15.4 and try all of them out out on every game I install. I thought everybody did it this way

Newer certainly isn't always better and I use many different versions for many different games. For example, Doom3 BFG consistently crashes at a certain spot with more recent OpenGL *.dlls, so I use old ones for that game. However, Rage really benefits from more recent OpenGL *.dlls (gets rid of the stutters when certain cinematic audio is played for the first time and allows for much faster texture caching massively reducing pop-in, probably driver improvements meant for Wolfenstein - The New Order but hey, they work for Rage too), but the latest couple of OpenGL drivers completely break v-sync in Rage, so I'm still on 14.6beta for that game.

Most U3-engine games still perform best on 13.12 on my card (with the exception of Deadpool - 13.4 all the way). I use 13.8 for Resident Evil Revelations 1 because of specific fixes for that game which AMD later forgot about. Resident Evil 6 just starts to stutter and has weird frame drops with every driver past 13.10 (even in the menu!), so I use 13.10 for that game. I always keep an eye out for load stutters, frame rates and graphical glitches, drivers can really affect those and often will.

It's a hassle for sure (finding out which drivers perform best with a specific game), but it's not a waste of effort.
   
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Default 06-01-2015, 14:12 | posts: 57 | Location: In a Fantasy

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Could you check your gpu usage?
I don't really have the time at the moment, why not try yourself - its not hard and you will have more meaningful numbers are they are for your own system.

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