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lol , so far a lot of people cant tell the difference with CGI and real gameplay (on many games) anymore. which is great
   
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Default 06-12-2014, 11:50 | posts: 1,616 | Location: Germany

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Uncharted 4***8242;s Trailer Was A Part of An Actual Level In The Game, Was All In-Engine

Http://gamingbolt.com/uncharted-4s-t...-all-in-engine
This game's going to be a masterpiece for sure

I can't imagine how The Last of Us 2 will be.
   
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I think nd has two teams so im hoping the other team are working on tlou 2 as the first one is a masterpiece.
   
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http://gearnuke.com/pre-rendered-cut...rted-4-report/

No More Pre-Rendered Cutscenes From Naughty Dog Starting With Uncharted 4 – Report [Update]

maybe seeing is believing. ...




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Default 06-12-2014, 15:45 | posts: 2,015 | Location: Chicago

This being in-engine and not CGI is very impressive.

http://gearnuke.com/pre-rendered-cut...rted-4-report/
   
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That was pretty clear it ain't cgi when you look at it closer tbh. In-engine I thought tho naughty dog did that with all uncharteds in-engine that is.

I had misconception at first surely.
   
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If uncharted 4 was indeed running in real time, I will'be buying both consoles and not decent PC anymore. For games like goat simulator and multiplatform junk I will be buying just old/cheap computer hardware parts, because why to bother ? Honestly, Nv demo "a new dawn" looks like joke compared to uncharted 4 graphics, and it was made for 680GTX SLI!!!

E3 PC exclusives ; nothing
E3 Consoles exclusives : plenty

GTA5 was the biggest announcement out of E3 2014 for PC, and it's not even exclusive. So where's PC exclusives ? I know, there are still PC fans out there, that would act, as if nothing happened, but I'm a PC gamer since quake 1 (I had voodoo 3dfx, voodoo 3, geforce 2 GTS, geforce 3 ti500, geforce 6800 Ultra, 8800 Ultra, and now 680GTX), and current situation is far from good.

The only good thing is, we will play multiplatform games with better quality. But with what costs ? Nv "optimised" games runs with problems even on their titans 1000$ GPU.

In my opinion, we live in a times now, when Nvidia.and AMD should do a lot more, than just making GPU's. They should make great PC exclusives for their cards, because without exclusives PC gamming will end, maybe not tomorrow, but soon.

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^This +1
   
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In my opinion, we live in a times now, when Nvidia.and AMD should do a lot more, than just making GPU's. They should make great PC exclusives for their cards, because without exclusives PC gamming will end, maybe not tomorrow, but soon.
This will never hapen as long as your hardware is kicked in the nut sack by an API. AMD is trying something, but it's hard to push devs to use Mantle instead of DX. The future for pc is linux (i hope steam can create a trend and force devs to move to opengl which is more in touch with the hardware then that dx crap).

like i said, ND will raise the bar with next gen graphics. To bad only one or two dev teams have this aim when creating games. Reading that was actual in game i'm not sorry i sold my gaming pc..fock it..look what a bunch of talented people can to with this little box..man o man..can't wait for this.

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Default 06-12-2014, 21:03 | posts: 2,015 | Location: Chicago

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If uncharted 4 was indeed running in real time, I will'be buying both consoles and not decent PC anymore. For games like goat simulator and multiplatform junk I will be buying just old/cheap computer hardware parts, because why to bother ? Honestly, Nv demo "a new dawn" looks like joke compared to uncharted 4 graphics, and it was made for 680GTX SLI!!!

E3 PC exclusives ; nothing
E3 Consoles exclusives : plenty

GTA5 was the biggest announcement out of E3 2014 for PC, and it's not even exclusive. So where's PC exclusives ? I know, there are still PC fans out there, that would act, as if nothing happened, but I'm a PC gamer since quake 1 (I had voodoo 3dfx, voodoo 3, geforce 2 GTS, geforce 3 ti500, geforce 6800 Ultra, 8800 Ultra, and now 680GTX), and current situation is far from good.

The only good thing is, we will play multiplatform games with better quality. But with what costs ? Nv "optimised" games runs with problems even on their titans 1000$ GPU.

In my opinion, we live in a times now, when Nvidia.and AMD should do a lot more, than just making GPU's. They should make great PC exclusives for their cards, because without exclusives PC gamming will end, maybe not tomorrow, but soon.
The problem for the last 5+ years is PC gaming has become something for bragging rights via hardware. Yes, a 3-way sli 780 titan system is going to be extremely powerful and owners puff out their chests as if they should be bowed down in front of for owning them. But at the end of the day, those super rigs are simply playing the same games that are on consoles, but with a higher resolution and better AA samples. To me, PC gaming is a HUGE waste of money. There is not enough difference for me, to warrant spending on annual upgrades to simply brag that I play the same game that's on xb1 or ps4 at a higher resolution.

Like you, I was a PC gamer of the early 90's. I remember playing the original doom, quake 1...games that were EXCLUSIVE to pc. Now when you bring that argument up with pc gamers they'll rattle off 50 half-assed indie titles and rts games that don't push the hardware and aren't selling gpu's (nor are they very interesting but that's my personal taste).

I said it 2 years ago, when the new consoles hit, I was done with pc. The day both consoles launched last November, I bought them. I have not bought a game on PC since.

Some say "why be a fanboy, just play everything" I agree, which is why I have a xb1 and a ps4, but pc? That's just a system that gets shoddy ports of 3rd party titles. I see it as a waste of money to keep it going. I'm in my 30's and have other things I'd rather spend the money on, these consoles push the graphical envelope, PC just talks about how it can push the graphical envelope.

PC these days is like a super muscular weight lifter that tells everyone he can bench press 500lbs but just keeps lifting the same amount as everyone else in the gym.

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This will never hapen as long as your hardware is kicked in the nut sack by an API. AMD is trying something, but it's hard to push devs to use Mantle instead of DX. The future for pc is linux (i hope steam can create a trend and force devs to move to opengl which is more in touch with the hardware then that dx crap).

like i said, ND will raise the bar with next gen graphics. To bad only one or two dev teams have this aim when creating games. Reading that was actual in game i'm not sorry i sold my gaming pc..fock it..look what a bunch of talented people can to with this little box..man o man..can't wait for this.
nVidia and AMD should stop making tech demos and create a studio to make games that specifically take advantage of their cards. They have the resources and honestly, they would lend from each other. If nVidia made a PC exclusive game that looked amazing, people would buy it and others would upgrade their hardware to play it. It would justify nVidia continually making gpu's for more than simply ports. Same goes for AMD.

I can't figure out why neither had done such to ensure their survival in the graphics place. Nvidia, especially.

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They are competing against each other, that is why they would not join forces to create a studio, and they clearly would never agree on who's hardware would be the basis for any game they made.

The api used is not as much an issue as people make out, Mantle has proven that and Linux is a complete non starter due to a lack of support and the fact OpenGL is even less efficient than DX.

I still wouldn't get excited about the game looking like that trailer, a cutscene rendered with the engine and gameplay on that engine is two very different things.
   
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They are competing against each other, that is why they would not join forces to create a studio, and they clearly would never agree on who's hardware would be the basis for any game they made.

The api used is not as much an issue as people make out, Mantle has proven that and Linux is a complete non starter due to a lack of support and the fact OpenGL is even less efficient than DX.

I still wouldn't get excited about the game looking like that trailer, a cutscene rendered with the engine and gameplay on that engine is two very different things.
Very true but if they can get close like they did with the first three UC games then I will be happy. These games are a couple of the highlights on the PS3 and one of the reasons that the PS3 became my primary console over the XBox360.
   
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Default 06-13-2014, 03:58 | posts: 9,098 | Location: NZ

^^ After Halo 3 (which i thoroughly enjoyed), xbox 360 had nothing for me.

@ SerotoNiN & LuckNumber8

Couldnt agree more.

If consoles could deliver a minimum of 60fps and 1080p, id drop Highend (whatever that is. Mods?) pc gaming and use my pc for nothing but legacy support like Quakes/Unreals and emulators. Emulators of which are emulating what? thats right.. console games. Wii, GameCube and PS1/2. The ps1/2 is almost redundant as nearly all my fav titles from those gens have received the HD remake and run at 1080p/60fps. 180p+ and 60fps are pretty much the only thing keeping me from going completely console only besides the aforementioned legacy pc games.

The only game on pc to grab me the way Uncharted and such console games have grabbed me is probably... I cant think of one that isnt also on the console.

All and i mean all.. its not up for debate.. all the innovation is happening on console. Sure pc gets to 'finger' Oculus and that other vr project, but Sony's doing that too and to a greater, faster extent it would seem. Yet pc gamers just go on and on about Crysis 3 and all its engine features. Fact! The game looks avg, cartoony and camp. Great that CE3 the engine has all these features, but it doesnt use them very well, and to this day i still maintain and believe that Crysis 1 has far more going for it over the other two, regardless of it not having Tess, fancy soft shadows and resonating arse fart particles with integrated DOF that activates when you zoom in to take screenshots of the ground and tree trunks..

Though, i will be getting No mans Sky for PC, same for GTA5.

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The api used is not as much an issue as people make out, Mantle has proven that and Linux is a complete non starter due to a lack of support and the fact OpenGL is even less efficient than DX. .
Opengl is supperior to dx when comes to performance. On my crappy little laptop meto last light on dx runs with everything max in 15fps, on linux it runs in 30fps..and it looks exactly the same (for the naked eye anyways).
And keep in mind the metro on linux is a port from the mac version (not developed for linux kernel) also nvidia's drives ae still buggy.

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I still wouldn't get excited about the game looking like that trailer, a cutscene rendered with the engine and gameplay on that engine is two very different things.
Have a look at the order, the cutscenes are rendered in game and they are the same thing as gameplay. Using api is a deal breaker, that's why consoles shines.

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Default 06-13-2014, 07:40 | posts: 3,699 | Location: England

http://gamingbolt.com/ps4-api-can-go...rmance-further

ps4 api can go down to the metal.
   
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ps3 api was able to do the same.
   
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If uncharted 4 was indeed running in real time, I will'be buying both consoles and not decent PC anymore. For games like goat simulator and multiplatform junk I will be buying just old/cheap computer hardware parts, because why to bother ? Honestly, Nv demo "a new dawn" looks like joke compared to uncharted 4 graphics, and it was made for 680GTX SLI!!!

E3 PC exclusives ; nothing
E3 Consoles exclusives : plenty

GTA5 was the biggest announcement out of E3 2014 for PC, and it's not even exclusive. So where's PC exclusives ? I know, there are still PC fans out there, that would act, as if nothing happened, but I'm a PC gamer since quake 1 (I had voodoo 3dfx, voodoo 3, geforce 2 GTS, geforce 3 ti500, geforce 6800 Ultra, 8800 Ultra, and now 680GTX), and current situation is far from good.

The only good thing is, we will play multiplatform games with better quality. But with what costs ? Nv "optimised" games runs with problems even on their titans 1000$ GPU.

In my opinion, we live in a times now, when Nvidia.and AMD should do a lot more, than just making GPU's. They should make great PC exclusives for their cards, because without exclusives PC gamming will end, maybe not tomorrow, but soon.
but but but there was one pc exclusive announced

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teH5Oowj-J8
   
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They are competing against each other, that is why they would not join forces to create a studio, and they clearly would never agree on who's hardware would be the basis for any game they made.

The api used is not as much an issue as people make out, Mantle has proven that and Linux is a complete non starter due to a lack of support and the fact OpenGL is even less efficient than DX.

I still wouldn't get excited about the game looking like that trailer, a cutscene rendered with the engine and gameplay on that engine is two very different things.
I never suggested in my post that AMD and nVidia should make a studio together. I said they should make a studio. As in, their own studios. Each to cater to the strengths (bullsh*t gimmicks) of their cards.

Mantle is a non-issue. Until developers bother to make high profile exclusives for pc again, what api they use to bring over a port is irrelevant.
   
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^^ After Halo 3 (which i thoroughly enjoyed), xbox 360 had nothing for me.

@ SerotoNiN & LuckNumber8

Couldnt agree more.

If consoles could deliver a minimum of 60fps and 1080p, id drop Highend (whatever that is. Mods?) pc gaming and use my pc for nothing but legacy support like Quakes/Unreals and emulators. Emulators of which are emulating what? thats right.. console games. Wii, GameCube and PS1/2. The ps1/2 is almost redundant as nearly all my fav titles from those gens have received the HD remake and run at 1080p/60fps. 180p+ and 60fps are pretty much the only thing keeping me from going completely console only besides the aforementioned legacy pc games.

The only game on pc to grab me the way Uncharted and such console games have grabbed me is probably... I cant think of one that isnt also on the console.

All and i mean all.. its not up for debate.. all the innovation is happening on console. Sure pc gets to 'finger' Oculus and that other vr project, but Sony's doing that too and to a greater, faster extent it would seem. Yet pc gamers just go on and on about Crysis 3 and all its engine features. Fact! The game looks avg, cartoony and camp. Great that CE3 the engine has all these features, but it doesnt use them very well, and to this day i still maintain and believe that Crysis 1 has far more going for it over the other two, regardless of it not having Tess, fancy soft shadows and resonating arse fart particles with integrated DOF that activates when you zoom in to take screenshots of the ground and tree trunks..

Though, i will be getting No mans Sky for PC, same for GTA5.
My biggest problem with Crysis 3 is like the first two, it's a chore to play. It's an interactive tech demo. Man those games are just terrible imo. That being said, I agree that the original Crysis has more going for it. It was the last true blockbuster PC-Exclusive (with exception to warhead, the expansion).

The original Crysis has some rough textures in spots these days, but overall people tend to forgive the fact that part 2 and 3 were designed for consoles. They're crippled console ports, on pc hardware. Crytek took an engine that had console in mind and simply sprinkled some extra effects on top of it to give pc gamers a few bragging rights (at an extreme performance cost).

The original Crysis was built from the ground up with dx10. It had no limitations of console. Imo, it was the last big pc exclusive. I found it boring after the initial fun of being invisible for 10 seconds in the jungle, but it was and still is a gorgeous game.

I see these B.S groups like "The PC Gaming Alliance" and wonder what the hell do they do for PC gaming? I see all these statistics of how well PC gaming is really selling, especially digitally. I see many gamers prefer PC, even if for a console port to run it at a higher resolution and smoother frames. All these positive things I do not ignore, but developers seem to. Pirating made PC the red headed step child back in 2007 ironically with Crysis and the PC has been dumped since and no longer a machine to do any sort of exclusives that aren't "free-to-play", to avoid the issue of piracy. Even though sales suggest otherwise.

Steam is honestly the only thing keeping PC gaming somewhat leveled. Games like Day Z and Goat simulator are the exclusives, they're fun, little quaint games with a niche market. But they are not Quake, or Doom, or Unreal Tournament, or even leisure suit Larry. It's not enough to justify buying all the hardware and upgrades, but it is enough to justify there is a market still to be had with PC games, yet it goes ignored.

It's not that I want PC gaming to die. I'm more than willing to drain my savings once every year or two for a new gpu/cpu. I like my keyboard and mouse, I've been pc gaming for so long. But at the end of the day, consoles are getting all the attention and innovation and as a gamer, that makes me have to turn my back on PC. The same game in higher resolution and smoother frames isn't enough for me to justify spending my money. I need real exclusives.
   
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but but but there was one pc exclusive announced

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teH5Oowj-J8
Finally, one game, it changes everything man

we will get one tasty bone


But here's what I really expected


at least we still have Nvidia Demos, like "a new dawn"

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This being in-engine and not CGI is very impressive.
Yeah but Naughty Dog cutscenes looked always better than the actual gameplay. I'm sceptical till I see gameplay videos.
   
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I'm actually glad this will be the last one. I'm hoping for some amazing vistas in this. Specifically that jungle chapter. Them God Rays shall be glorious!
   
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Finally, one game, it changes everything man

we will get one tasty bone


But here's what I really expected


at least we still have Nvidia Demos, like "a new dawn"
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Default 06-17-2014, 15:12 | posts: 1,467 | Location: France

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Yeah but Naughty Dog cutscenes looked always better than the actual gameplay. I'm sceptical till I see gameplay videos.
True.

In-engine =/= in-game.

If they aim for 1080p/60 something will have to give.

The problem is you can't really say that without having sonytards jumping down your throat. PS4 fanboys are by an landslide the worst fanbase of all gaming IMO. If you don't believe me then visit Neogaf once in a while, you will see for yourself.
   
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Default 06-17-2014, 15:29 | posts: 9,098 | Location: NZ

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True.

In-engine =/= in-game.

If they aim for 1080p/60 something will have to give.

The problem is you can't really say that without having sonytards jumping down your throat. PS4 fanboys are by an landslide the worst fanbase of all gaming IMO. If you don't believe me then visit Neogaf once in a while, you will see for yourself.
Does one forum represent the whole user base?

Console gamers can be ignorant, but pc gamers can be arrogant.
   
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