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Default 08-22-2010, 16:41 | posts: 3,491 | Location: PA

Speaking of subs, also reversing polarity of a subwoofer, especially in a multi sub configuration can make all the difference.
   
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Default 08-22-2010, 16:58 | posts: 16,236 | Location: Guru3D Audio Lab

Yes the polarity of the signal can be a big issue. With multiple subs if they are both running on the same signal phase they can actually compete with and cancel out some of the bass. In many case people will set one sub to a 0 phase angle and the second to a phase angle out of phase by 180 degrees. In this type of system one pushes when the other pulls... in terms of moving air, works great. There are more uses for the phase button though...
   
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Default 09-11-2010, 21:46 | posts: 1,187 | Location: UK

Rob you need to change that speaker setup from rear speakers to side speakers
   
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Default 10-05-2010, 13:52 | posts: 500 | Location: Milton Keynes,England

hello guru's,
i thought i would add this to this section.
If your using surround sound and have windows 7 ,please go in to your control panel,hardware and sound,sound,speakers and then properties.there in enhancements is speaker fill,turn that on please.it makes a big difference.
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Default 10-05-2010, 16:16 | posts: 1,187 | Location: UK

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hello guru's,
i thought i would add this to this section.
If your using surround sound and have windows 7 ,please go in to your control panel,hardware and sound,sound,speakers and then properties.there in enhancements is speaker fill,turn that on please.it makes a big difference.
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but doesnt that just send a stereo signal to each speaker ?
   
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Default 10-06-2010, 00:21 | posts: 500 | Location: Milton Keynes,England

yes,most things are in stereo ,so i helps to have it spread it to all speakers and onboards dont normally turn it on if you have 5.1 sound or higher.

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Default 10-06-2010, 12:20 | posts: 1,187 | Location: UK

So what about when your playing a 5.1 game does it work as 5.1 or would you have to turn off speaker fill 1st ?
   
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Default 10-06-2010, 16:48 | posts: 500 | Location: Milton Keynes,England

i should think dolby or something would take over from signal splitting,but who knows, windows dont seem to turn on when in stereo.
   
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Default 01-30-2011, 15:17 | posts: 8,169 | Location: Netherlands

I use samsung 5.1 cinema set for my PC through optical cable, im still not sure if it really outputs 5.1, how can i hear/test if the rear speakers are working? So far i couldnt hear them. I tried bluray movies with 5.1 DTS.
   
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Default 01-30-2011, 15:29 | posts: 4,509 | Location: Australia

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I use samsung 5.1 cinema set for my PC through optical cable, im still not sure if it really outputs 5.1, how can i hear/test if the rear speakers are working? So far i couldnt hear them. I tried bluray movies with 5.1 DTS.
Just right click volume icon in the task bar, select playback devices, click on speakers, then click properties, then advanced, then click test and it should cycle through each speaker individually...

choose configure and select 5.1 if it's not already selected
   
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Default 07-28-2011, 12:31 | posts: 8,273 | Location: London, United Kingdom

Haha, we've had the very same thread quite a few times!

It is however quite important the way we position our speakers as it makes a huge difference.

It's quite simple. Maks sure the speakers are LEVEL with your ears, same height.

Make sure the speakers are FACING you, not the wall.

Finally make sure nothing is BLOCKING or in the way of the speakers otherwise you will obviously block the sound!

A good thread for those who do not know or want tips for the very best possible sound...

Running a decent equalizer also helps...
   
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Default 09-28-2011, 15:47 | posts: 3

Great tips, make sure you break up parallel surfaces to avoid standing waves. A simple option is using egg crate foam like you put on your bed. If you don't like the aesthetics, try framing it and covering it with a print fabric you like.
   
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Default 09-28-2011, 15:53 | posts: 16,236 | Location: Guru3D Audio Lab

Well there is the optimal configuration and it is great to have the ability to set up like this.
Some people have issues with the room shape, their desk..etc
So you have the work with the speaker positions to get the optimal setup for your situation.

You should always fine tune the setup also, toe in, toe out a bit this way a bit that way.
Tune listen, tune, listen...and so on...

If you are interested in fine tuning your speaker positions for better sound, I suggest spending some time studying the topics so you know the various theories.

Subwoofers are also setup in an HT system in the same way. Listen,move,listen move..until you find the sweet spot for the living room.
As I said though you are usually somewhat limited in a PC audio system on how you can set things up.

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Default 04-30-2012, 06:17 | posts: 932 | Location: Serbia

Just to add some things, most subs are not capable to do frequency range above 100Hz very well, but since that is a job of satellite speakers, on better systems it will almost always benefit to put a sub in the corner of the room. And if subwoofer have bass-reflect hole in front (not on side) it can be very helpful to reverse subwoofer to face corner of the room (bass reflect hole "looking" into corner) it will add "kick" bass and also deep bass (below 50Hz). And if speaker is not faced to the floor, and subwoofer don't have bass reflect hole (or is below speaker), then speaker should face the corner of the room.
   
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Default 06-27-2012, 17:28 | posts: 16,236 | Location: Guru3D Audio Lab

Putting a subwoofer in the corner of a room is called "Corner loading" it was mentioned earlier and is not needed in every system as it is only recommended for certain subwoofers.
To clarify for you, bass "reflect hole" is called a port. Each system is different and there are very few rules that apply to all subwoofers.

I recommend you do more research on these topics as it seems you are unsure of your info or terminology.

Hope that Helps.
   
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Default 06-01-2013, 07:00 | posts: 4,509 | Location: Australia

Also, I must say that having speakers at ear level, except for the sub of course is a must

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Default 06-01-2013, 07:57 | posts: 735 | Location: Ecuador

not to mention that there are so many variables like room size, shape, objects that can reflect/disort/destroy/decay/reverb/anything sound etc etc, you can allways purchase a $20.000++ system or more, but if your room is not treated acusticly it wont sound like it.

i think is best sudgest how to set up the room properly and then give advice on how to setup speakers, since dimentions and shapes rule out first how waves travels, not speakers.

ive heard some 200 usd speakers sound really good because of room sound treatment alone, now image what can be achieved with some hi-end speakers-amps-soundcards etc.
   
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Default 06-01-2013, 08:22 | posts: 4,509 | Location: Australia

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not to mention that there are so many variables like room size, shape, objects that can reflect/disort/destroy/decay/reverb/anything sound etc etc, you can allways purchase a $20.000++ system or more, but if your room is not treated acusticly it wont sound like it.

i think is best sudgest how to set up the room properly and then give advice on how to setup speakers, since dimentions and shapes rule out first how waves travels, not speakers.

ive heard some 200 usd speakers sound really good because of room sound treatment alone, now image what can be achieved with some hi-end speakers-amps-soundcards etc.
This^ I think that if I could, I would put some sort of wall insulation and totally make the sound reverberate from not only the walls, but floor and ceiling

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Default 11-10-2013, 10:26 | posts: 8,169 | Location: Netherlands

The KRK's i've had they sounded even incredible using outside in our backyard.

Is it that important that the speakers are at ear height? Next week i'm gonna order a pair of M-Audio's BX8 D2's, i could use some boxes to make it sit higher, would that make any difference?

It does come with some pads.
   
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Default 08-22-2015, 22:57 | posts: 5,823

The Subwoofer Crawl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnxfc-GBdew#t=3m47s
   
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Default 08-23-2015, 09:25 | posts: 6,456 | Location: Australia

These days you could just get a sound bar. I don't mean those crappy low end ones, I'm talking about a proper one with virtual surround, or even better, sound beam.

Like this one (might be a bit overkill):
http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio..._u/?mode=model

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Default 08-23-2015, 14:33 | posts: 5,823

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These days you could just get a sound bar. I don't mean those crappy low end ones, I'm talking about a proper one with virtual surround, or even better, sound beam.

Like this one (might be a bit overkill):
http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio..._u/?mode=model
connectivity and space req. are good, but that's still nice waste of money
could be good for watching movies in a small room.

proper sound bar is still not a proper speaker. let alone speaker(s)
   
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Default 08-23-2015, 15:40 | posts: 5,922 | Location: Southfield,MI

Thats way too much money for that , doesn't matter how much it is it wont change the fact that it is a sound bar and that not much they can do with one do to their size. For Virtual speakers Plenty of sound cards have that function that are cheap. Unless its Dolby Atmos then that be something different but not 1k+ worth.

For that price you might as well just get Two pairs of floor stand Cerwin vega speakers or some other brand speaker. And a good receiver and a sub and save the rest of that money for something else.


I run a 2.0 setup my self with my Yamaha RX-V367 a d Sony SS-B1000 speakers that is plugged into my gustard X12 RCA out's and they still do the job even after 7 years of owning the Speakers, it just that it time for me to invest into a sub because it shows now.
   
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