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Default 08-13-2006, 15:35 | posts: 9,511 | Location: Aussie Perth WA

if its cheaper might aswell get it
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 16:53 | posts: 16,236 | Location: Guru3D Audio Lab

I get my info concering chips from quite a few different sources including the guys at the KX project. The KX drivers will install on ANY 10KX series DSP chip. they won't install on a LS,Value or Live 24 bit. You can believe what you like EAX is not hardware accelerated on the Live 24 bit! it is NOT a 10KX series...
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 17:03 | posts: 16,236 | Location: Guru3D Audio Lab

btw, get the AUdigy 4, I have seen a few on sale for less than the Audigy 2 Zs..the AUdigy 4 is a better card hardware wise...not by much but it is still a better card. better DAC's and SNR...and you get a remote..
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 17:47 | posts: 1,046 | Location: Penang,Malaysia

but then its jack is not gold plated like the zs and it's only 106 db compared to zs's 108db..is this ok ? ive been informed that this is audigy 4 value
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 17:56 | posts: 16,236 | Location: Guru3D Audio Lab

So it's probably similar to a Audigy 2 Value. You have to watch certain "Value" models becasue they shaft you by using different DSP chips.
SO what are your thoughts? -as to what card to get?
BTW those differences you pointed out are really nothing to worry about.
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 19:01 | posts: 1,046 | Location: Penang,Malaysia

well if im not mistaken it is the same card as audigy 2 value but rebranded an thrown in the remote..what do u think ?
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 19:03 | posts: 9,511 | Location: Aussie Perth WA

Not exactly like rob said it has different DAC and other chips, but not enough changes to notice.
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 19:08 | posts: 1,046 | Location: Penang,Malaysia

if its like that..better safe than sorry..i should get meself the audigy 2 zs..was considering on x-fi..but its overkill rite ? for a sound newbie like me

would it be ok if i bundle the card with say logitech's x-230 ,x-530 or maybe philips mms460 ?
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 19:18 | posts: 9,511 | Location: Aussie Perth WA

yeah, only geta XFI if u have massive speakers, like mine

The Audigy 2 ZS is a great card, you dont even need to mod it into a A4 for it to sound good, alot better than onboard, sound quality wise, deeper bass for me. and MP3s sound like WAVs
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 19:26 | posts: 1,046 | Location: Penang,Malaysia

what bout the x-fi drivers on audigy 2 zs ? is it possible ?
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 20:11 | posts: 4,211 | Location: Europe/Slovenia/Ljubljana

This doesn't mean anything. All it does mean is that none of these listed cards can do an EAX4 HD, thats for sure... Or they simply don't support OpenAL which is required by SB cards lately in order to use hardware features. Besides, ALL Creative soundcards can perform EAX operations on their own APU. Of course on different levels with different performance (X-Fi is logically way faster even in EAX2 than Live! 5.1 because of raw APU power plus it can even handle higher EAX versions).
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 21:48 | posts: 9,511 | Location: Aussie Perth WA

well your wrong there the A4 supports EAX4, and so does the A2 with a softmod(im pretty sure rob can correct me)

and to nabelon, yes you can run X-fi drivers on Audigy, but it requires a bit of knowledge, and tweaking, take a while, and not really worth it. Unless you like X-FI drivers. If you do get a A2 or A4 i can give u a link for good drivers for them cards
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 21:54 | posts: 1,961 | Location: Calgary Canada®

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what bout the x-fi drivers on audigy 2 zs ? is it possible ?
Not sure if this works but this may help.
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=192715
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 23:02 | posts: 2,542 | Location: Toronto, Ontario

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Not sure if this works but this may help.
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=192715
Yes they do. And I still have them installed since I posted that with zero problems.

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yes you can run X-fi drivers on Audigy, but it requires a bit of knowledge, and tweaking
What tweaking? And the bit of knowledge is nothing more than knowing how to install drivers manually.
   
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Default 08-14-2006, 00:16 | posts: 4,211 | Location: Europe/Slovenia/Ljubljana

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well your wrong there the A4 supports EAX4, and so does the A2 with a softmod(im pretty sure rob can correct me)
Where have i said that it doesn't? There is no Audigy 2 or 4 listed on that list.
Just Audigy 1 (max EAX3 HD) and Live! series (max EAX2).
I'm well aware what specific card can do...
   
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Default 08-14-2006, 00:39 | posts: 1,046 | Location: Penang,Malaysia

stormy can audigy 4 be installed with x-fi drivers too ? its the one with the remote..
   
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Default 08-14-2006, 01:37 | posts: 16,236 | Location: Guru3D Audio Lab

EAX HD is EAX 4.... I know mine does-Audigy 2. The X-fi supports EAX5.. so card before it naturally would support EAX 4 or EAX HD.. Of course quite a few cards say they support it and they do but in software only..which is not good. SO guys no matter how hard you look you will never find info that says a SB Live 24 bit supports EAX in hardware mode...it just doesn't.

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Default 08-14-2006, 09:35 | posts: 1,046 | Location: Penang,Malaysia

now im in deep****..suddenly the card that i wanted is on back order..the audigy 2 zs..well i cant wait coz my ears are itchy for it..do u recommend me getting the audigy 4 instead ?
   
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Default 08-14-2006, 10:09 | posts: 20,704 | Location: Turkey

audigy value is nothing than a ONBOARD chip with HD support
rob? is that correct!
   
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Default 08-14-2006, 10:20 | posts: 4,211 | Location: Europe/Slovenia/Ljubljana

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EAX HD is EAX 4.... I know mine does-Audigy 2. The X-fi supports EAX5.. so card before it naturally would support EAX 4 or EAX HD.. Of course quite a few cards say they support it and they do but in software only..which is not good. SO guys no matter how hard you look you will never find info that says a SB Live 24 bit supports EAX in hardware mode...it just doesn't.
EAX
EAX2
EAX3 HD
EAX4 HD
EAX5 HD

Audigy 1 cannot do any higher than EAX3 HD. Audigy 2 was introduced as EAX3 HD card but they later upgraded it by software only as it was capable enough for EAX4 requirements. Plus since the SB Live 24bit is an Audigy 1 chip i don't see a reason why would they waste nice slice of a APU die to calculate EAX on CPU and just make things worse? I just don't see any logical reason to do this in any way. Have they ever explicitly say Audigy 2 does that with hardware too? I don't exactly remember but i know they advertised as Audigy 1 also being able to do it in hadware.
They certanly advertise X-Fi as superior hardware acceleration sound solution just because of 10.000 MIPS they used in the APU. Thats the selling point No.1 anyway...
   
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Default 08-14-2006, 14:41 | posts: 1,046 | Location: Penang,Malaysia

1.Oem audigy 2 zs with no cd and nothing nada just anti-static bag n the card -USD $ 79
2. Retail audigy 4 with box and all full set..bundled remote
-USD $70

well which one should i take..and the prices are converted from the shop at my place to USD..
   
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Default 08-14-2006, 14:42 | posts: 1,046 | Location: Penang,Malaysia

sorry double post..
   
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Default 08-14-2006, 15:29 | posts: 4,211 | Location: Europe/Slovenia/Ljubljana

Check the technical data. I think A2 ZS has better DAC's than A4 Vanilla, but i'm not 100%.
   
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Default 08-14-2006, 16:21 | posts: 1,046 | Location: Penang,Malaysia

well me too..the specs just doesnt tell the whole story..btw if i get myself an oem audigy 2 zs..would all the prog bundled be available for dload ?
   
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Default 08-14-2006, 17:29 | posts: 9,511 | Location: Aussie Perth WA

Yes!!!
   
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