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Default 06-14-2006, 17:04 | posts: 2,536 | Location: NYC

The good thing is, soundcards don't update as quickly as GFX cards. They should start making 3D audio accelerator cards, soundcards that help with games and increase FPS (The X-Fi supposedly does more MIPs than a P4 3Ghz)
   
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Default 06-14-2006, 17:04 | posts: 16,236 | Location: Guru3D Audio Lab

Hey it's up to you man, use what you like. I would still try both and see which one is better.
@Vogon, That's the bad thing with the Live! 24 bit, the have ho hardware support for EAX..so your cpu is doing the calculations again. This is because the card has NO 10KX processor which almost all the other Creative cards do.
As far as 64bit drivers go, your kinda at the mercy of Creative for that one. Check their site and see what's available.
   
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Default 07-02-2006, 00:15 | posts: 153 | Location: california love

sheesh, i would if they make our lives a little easier by providing front audio inputs
   
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Default 07-04-2006, 17:21 | posts: 16,236 | Location: Guru3D Audio Lab

Not many add in soundcards have a header for front audio connectors, the new Auzentech X-purity does. I am not sure the price though...
   
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Default 07-12-2006, 20:34 | posts: 1,097 | Location: Canada

It's possible to modify some Creative cards for front audio.
   
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Default 07-12-2006, 20:56 | posts: 1,758 | Location: London Baby

Actually i do have a question concerning this subject.

At the momment i'm using soundstorm and i think it sounds good. I've heard other systems and thought they sound good, but like a good graphic card, its nothing with a good monitor. So if you gonna invest buy some nice speakers.

Sorry this is my question

in 3dmark03 i get 42(no sound),38(24sounds) 33,(60sounds)fps

My m8 with a faster system,processor,etc but with a audigy gets.

3dmark03 70(nosnd) 64(24) 60(60)fps

My question is, how much does this affect gaming. Does a soundstorm slow your system down?
   
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Default 07-12-2006, 21:24 | posts: 9,511 | Location: Aussie Perth WA

it would be his processor that is giving him higher FPS
   
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Default 07-13-2006, 00:28 | posts: 16,236 | Location: Guru3D Audio Lab

Actually, If I remember correctly the Soundstorm audio solution connstec to the bus in a different way then normal AC'97's so the soundstorm doesn't hurt performance the same way other onboards do. Atleast that how I remember it. He is right though it's probably his CPU giving him the higher scores...add-in soundcards with dedicated DSP's are usually better though and provide better scores than onboards. -maybe somebody who is using a Soundstorm can comment on this subject. I read that info Wild posted, very informative, although I think there are other factors to consider when comparing a Soundstorm to a Full add-in PCI. Especially when running EAX enabled games. It is a good read though...

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Default 07-13-2006, 00:40 | posts: 2,542 | Location: Toronto, Ontario

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It's possible to modify some Creative cards for front audio.
Only if they have the J1 connector (or at least the holes where it should be),

http://audigy2zshowto.blogspot.com/

or if you're felling adventerous,

http://www.devhardware.com/forums/sh...&postcount=127
   
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Default 07-14-2006, 01:08 | posts: 15,302 | Location: UK

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Actually i do have a question concerning this subject.

At the momment i'm using soundstorm and i think it sounds good. I've heard other systems and thought they sound good, but like a good graphic card, its nothing with a good monitor. So if you gonna invest buy some nice speakers.

Sorry this is my question

in 3dmark03 i get 42(no sound),38(24sounds) 33,(60sounds)fps

My m8 with a faster system,processor,etc but with a audigy gets.

3dmark03 70(nosnd) 64(24) 60(60)fps

My question is, how much does this affect gaming. Does a soundstorm slow your system down?
You might find this article useful: http://tomshardware.co.uk/2003/04/05...mes/index.html

I remember reading it when I used SoundStorm on my NF7-S. It shows the differences in frames per second when using a variety of sound cards, including SoundStorm.

Also I believe that (this is from memory) unless you're using the digital out you're not using "SoundStorm" as such. If you use the analog out you're still using the basic Realtek codec. If you use digital though you will hear the benefits. You don't indicate which you're using though.
   
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Default 08-05-2006, 04:15 | posts: 6

With all the discussion about CPU cycle gain from using an add-in sound card I think I will try to install one of my generic pci sound cards. My mother board has onboard sound. Am I correct to assume that the correct procedure to install a sound card onto a mother board with existing onboard sound is to:

1) Disable the onboard sound in bios.
2) Power off.
3) Install PCI sound card.
4) Power up and boot to windows.
5) install software for sound card.

What about setting IRQ's and such in bios? Will the PCI bus auto detect the card? What other settings in bios are there to consider.
   
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Default 08-05-2006, 12:18 | posts: 2,542 | Location: Toronto, Ontario

Looks good for the install procedure. One thing though, a "generic" sound card won't take any load off of the cpu, it will work/perform the same as the onboard sound as it still has to do all sound processing in software. About the only thing you may get out of it is better sound.
   
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Default 08-05-2006, 14:52 | posts: 20,718 | Location: Turkey

I think SBLIVE is considered s GENERIC?
   
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Default 08-11-2006, 03:00 | posts: 135 | Location: Australia

I bought Audigy 4 about a month ago, have just returned it and gone back to my SoundMAX. That's how much I despise Creative's ugly software implementation (bloated driver, bloated apps), and some silly hardware design flaws (plugs too close together, calling the CD connector "Aux" instead of "CD Player" screwing up volume control for CDDA games. The performance and quality was nice, but my SoundMAX sounds very nearly as good and performance loss is only 5%.
   
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Default 08-11-2006, 03:42 | posts: 9,511 | Location: Aussie Perth WA

wow you musnt know how to use computers if u gave backa A4
   
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Default 08-12-2006, 06:24 | posts: 135 | Location: Australia

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wow you musnt know how to use computers if u gave backa A4
Shut up.
   
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Default 08-12-2006, 06:51 | posts: 8,016 | Location: Singapore

i planned on getting an add-on card last week..but i shelved it..realizing im the type who cant figure out the diff between high and ultra high graphics, it safe to say i cant hear the diff bet onboard sound and add-in..esp with my headphone

if you got 5.1 and up speakers though then an add-in would be appreciable..(dunno if i can hear the diff though) am such a fine-detial-sense-impaired person...
   
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Default 08-12-2006, 20:54 | posts: 16,236 | Location: Guru3D Audio Lab

Well, when you get a add-in card it takes the load off the CPU. If you get a Creative brand card you will have EAX so your games will sound that much better. Also alot of people, because they are used to a onboard think it sounds just fine until they hear a add-in card and they are blown away by it.
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 08:41 | posts: 1,046 | Location: Penang,Malaysia

mr robscix,hi and long time no see.. i want to aske ive got plenty of cash now and im thinkiing of getting meself i nice soundcard..

1.Audigy 2zs
2.Audigy 4
3.X-Fi( need to make some sacrfice if you truly recommend this above the rest)

and my speaker of choice would be the one that cost me around $50-70 USD
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 09:00 | posts: 9,511 | Location: Aussie Perth WA

Well The A2 ZS would be my option, it can be easily Soft Modded intoa A4, and the X-fi is basiclly a card if want bragging rights thats how i see it,
it does offer a bit more features but most u wont use
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 10:15 | posts: 1,046 | Location: Penang,Malaysia

mr sniper you said that if i take the audigy 2 zs it'll be good for me coz can upgrade to audigy 4 rite..but rite now im seein audigy 4 being sold for less than the zs..its the audigy 4 with remote..
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 13:27 | posts: 9,511 | Location: Aussie Perth WA

hmm do you know the model number of the audigy 4??
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 13:34 | posts: 4,211 | Location: Europe/Slovenia/Ljubljana

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Hey it's up to you man, use what you like. I would still try both and see which one is better.
@Vogon, That's the bad thing with the Live! 24 bit, the have ho hardware support for EAX..so your cpu is doing the calculations again. This is because the card has NO 10KX processor which almost all the other Creative cards do.
As far as 64bit drivers go, your kinda at the mercy of Creative for that one. Check their site and see what's available.
Thats somehow hard to belive actually...
Nothing is done in software. Live! 24bit is actually a EMU10K1.5 chip or Audigy 1, just rebranded to Live! 24bit (thats why you can softmod most of them to Audigy 1 anyway). Now Audigy 1 supports EAX3 HD so it'll certanly do this with hadware. Same applies to EAX2 and legacy EAX. Otherwise it would bring PCs to a crawl if CPU would have to calculate physics, decode all sounds, ingame content and in the end EAX effets and accoustics.
So it's clearly done with CL chip.
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 13:35 | posts: 1,046 | Location: Penang,Malaysia

http://www.soundblaster.com/products...&product=14103

check out the link mr sniper
   
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Default 08-13-2006, 13:49 | posts: 2,542 | Location: Toronto, Ontario

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Thats somehow hard to belive actually...
Nothing is done in software. Live! 24bit is actually a EMU10K1.5 chip or Audigy 1, just rebranded to Live! 24bit (thats why you can softmod most of them to Audigy 1 anyway). Now Audigy 1 supports EAX3 HD so it'll certanly do this with hadware. Same applies to EAX2 and legacy EAX. Otherwise it would bring PCs to a crawl if CPU would have to calculate physics, decode all sounds, ingame content and in the end EAX effets and accoustics.
So it's clearly done with CL chip.
Hmm, maybe you should tell that to EA/Dice. This is directly from the BF2 Readme regarding sound cards,

Quote:
The following sound cards do not support the Hardware Audio
Renderer option:

Altec Lansing ADA70 USB Speakers
AOpen AW-320
AOpen Phantom 3D AW-724
ASound Express II
Aureal Vortex
Aureal Vortex 2
Aztech A3D
Creative Labs SB 16 PCI
Creative Labs SB Audigy 2 NX
Creative Labs SB Audigy LS - (5.1)
Creative Labs SB Extigy
Creative Labs SB Live 24-bit
Creative Labs SB Live
Creative Labs SB Live PLATINUM
Creative Labs SB Live Value
Creative Labs SB Live X-GAMER
Creative Labs SB Live X-GAMER 5.1
Creative Labs SB MP3+ USB
Creative Labs SB PCI 128
Creative Labs SB PCI 512
Creative Labs SB PCI 64
Diamond Monster Sound II MX300
Diamond Monster Sound MX400
Diamond Sound Impact S90
Ensoniq Audio PCI PNP
ESS Canyon 3D
ESS Canyon 3D-2
ESS Maestro-2 3D Audio
Hercules DIGIFIRE 7.1
Hercules Game Theater XP 7.1
Hercules Gamesurround Fortissimo III 7.1
Hercules Gamesurround Muse Pocket USB
Hi-Live PCI
Hi-Live PCI SC4000
IOMagic Storm Surge
M-Audio Sonica
M-Audio Sonica Theater 7.1
M-Audio Transit USB
Microsoft Digital Sound System 80 USB
Nvidia nForce Audio
Nvidia nForce2 Audio
Philips Acoustic Edge
Realtek ALC861 audio
Siig Soundwave Elite 2000
Siig Soundwave Pro PCI
SoundMAX 3
SoundMAX
SoundMAX Cadenza (Intel 845)
SoundMAX Cadenza (Intel 850)
SoundMAX ADI AD1980 CODEC
Turtle Beach Montego A3D Xstream
Turtle Beach Montego II
Turtle Beach Montego II Quadzilla
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz
Yamaha Xwave-192
Yamaha Xwave-512
Zoltrix Nightingale Value
Or are you claiming to know something they don't? Also explain the Audigy LS/SE/DE/Value. Another point is Creative's use of a unified driver package, why isn't the Live 24 bit (or any of those Audigy's I just listed) not is the list of cards OK to install on, and that Creative specifically says not to install on? If the Live 24 bit and those other Audigy cards had the hardware, don't you think the drivers would work/install on them?
   
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