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Default 05-15-2017, 11:38 | posts: 20

With the ecig I've been successful in reducing nicotine ammount per day from a median of 2 tanks at 16 mg/ml, to 2 tanks at 0,8 mg/ml in a matter of less than a year, i was able to do so by making custom liquids and reducing very gradualy the percentage of nicotine, so getting accustomed wasn't as bad. However i was never a smoker of cicagarettes, i started smoking with the ecig in the first place, so i don't know how my experience could relate to someone who is making the jump from traditional cigarettes. The habit forming substances in tobacco leaves are not limited to nicotine, For example they contain Harmala Alkaloids which are Monoamine oxidase inhibitors that contributes to the sense of well being produced by smoking, so the "fight" against addiction may be harder for those that smokes tobacco cigarettes.

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Default 05-25-2017, 21:20 | posts: 8,136 | Location: Netherlands

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Grats on the purchase. If this is your first vape here's a couple of tips I wish I had known.

- The first 2 or 3 days might be weird as your body adapts to the vapour ( or the chemicals in it ) and gets used to not having all the crap from smokes. Your mood along with other bodily functions might go up and down like a rollercoaster but don't let it scare you. My body settled on day 3 but this might vary with each person.

- If it feels like you're not getting enough nicotine its possible your liquid isn't quite strong enough. I smoked about 15-20 rollies and when I made the switch I started with 12mg liquid and a cig-a-like pen but had to order 18mg which was spot on for me but I soon dropped back down to 12mg. For sub ohm though you don't want to go over 6mg and you would ideally vape higher vg liquids.

- Make sure you're stocked up on coils. In the beginning especially it will be easy to ruin the coils simply by vaping a lot as you try to familiarize yourself with the process and you'll be tempted to play with a shiny new toy. Make sure your tank always has enough liquid in it and ALWAYS prime your coils. If your device doesn't come with instruction on how to prime the coil, hit the internet and a quick search should do the trick.

Welcome to the club
I started with 6mg nicotine, my throat was burning like hell but heard it would go away within 2 weeks.
A friend of mine said 6mg is too strong and that i should start with 3mg.

I couldn't find 3mg of the brand i'm using, i might look for different brand so i can try 3mg nicotine.

I still use the coil i got with it, it still has good flavor but i can tell i need to change it soon.
I'm buying Vaporesso cCell Ceramic Coils cause i heard they're extremely good and last longer.

My favorit flavor is pineapple, tastes soooo good! fruity and fresh.
   
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Default 05-26-2017, 01:10 | posts: 4,686 | Location: Wolverhampton, UK

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Vaporesso cCell Ceramic Coils cause i heard they're extremely good and last longer.
Thanks for info. I just looked into this here http://www.vaporesso.com/ccell-vape-coils

It looks very interesting and definately offers features I've been looking for. Gonna try it, cheers!
   
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Default 05-26-2017, 06:23 | posts: 1,106 | Location: Bulgaria

So I started getting annoyed with the pre-made coils (from Joyetech at least). Some will work fine for weeks, but some will just be crap from the beginning. They flood, donít wick properly or airflow is kind of weird. I have settled to 1.0ohm SS ones and use them in temp control. That seems to make them last longer and is gentle on the liquid and battery. Vape is enough for my needs too.

Iím gonna give it a try on building, so I ordered the Cthulhu MTL RDA tank, some SS Alien coils and cotton. Should be here in the next couple of weeks and I see how that goes.

As for the liquids Ė I tend to get ďboredĒ with only using one flavor. So at the moment I have three different tanks filled with three different flavors and then some more on the side. My observations is that the PG content has a much bigger throat hit than the nic. Iím fine with 3-6mg or somewhere in the middle. If you canít find say 3mg you can get one 0mg and one 6mg from the same juice and mix it up to your liking. I go for lower no to nic at all and 100% VG juices for daily/casual vape, and up to 6mg and more PG for that night with drinks vape.
   
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Default 05-26-2017, 20:41 | posts: 1,926 | Location: Oxford UK

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So I started getting annoyed with the pre-made coils (from Joyetech at least). Some will work fine for weeks, but some will just be crap from the beginning. They flood, donít wick properly or airflow is kind of weird. I have settled to 1.0ohm SS ones and use them in temp control. That seems to make them last longer and is gentle on the liquid and battery. Vape is enough for my needs too.

Iím gonna give it a try on building, so I ordered the Cthulhu MTL RDA tank, some SS Alien coils and cotton. Should be here in the next couple of weeks and I see how that goes.

As for the liquids Ė I tend to get ďboredĒ with only using one flavor. So at the moment I have three different tanks filled with three different flavors and then some more on the side. My observations is that the PG content has a much bigger throat hit than the nic. Iím fine with 3-6mg or somewhere in the middle. If you canít find say 3mg you can get one 0mg and one 6mg from the same juice and mix it up to your liking. I go for lower no to nic at all and 100% VG juices for daily/casual vape, and up to 6mg and more PG for that night with drinks vape.
Coil flooding can be caused by so many things its crazy... I find with all of my tanks so far to avoid flooding is to make sure you leave a bit of air at the top ie. don't overfill and when you screw in the top or bottom of the tank, do it upside down to make sure you get a vacuum forming in the tank. This has cured about 95% of my tank leaks I've experienced. Another tip is to make sure you bed in the coils starting with taking hits at lower wattage than you usually would and then working your way up slowly untill you reach your normal vaping wattage.

Of course with some coils its just an utter crapshoot and sometimes you get good ones and at times really dodgy ones. Its that very Russian roulette that made me go for the dripper in the end. Kinda fancy a decent RTA now but they're hard to come by with the TPD/TRPR in effect as of last Saturday here in the EU.

On the juice front, I've been experimenting with £1 E-liquids and they have actually been pretty damn nice so far. A lot of the 50/50 liquids are too harsh on a dripper but their Heisenberg is solid as hell even at 50/50. Also tried a company called Rejuiced who sell 10ml bottles for £2.50, currently on something called Big Momma's Milk and this stuff is the mutts nutts! 70vg/30pg, solid clouds and brilliant flavour. Goes to show that even budget E-liquids can be really good.
   
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Default 05-27-2017, 10:39 | posts: 2,000 | Location: Isle of Man

People don't realise that "some" vapers are actually worse than smoking normal cigarettes

Yes they don't contain tar, and nicotine by itself is fairly harmless, but having a friend who works as a radiographer, he has told me of the internal burning suffered by many vapers, which will never heal, unlike tar damage which can be reversed in time

To ensure that only safe products are being released and used by the public, they should be regulated more strictly

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Default 05-27-2017, 15:26 | posts: 1,885 | Location: Portugal

I dont understand vaping. Why not just quit smoking? Yes its hard as balls but after some time you just forget you ever did it.
   
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Default 05-27-2017, 23:38 | posts: 44 | Location: canada

so i want to try those vaporesso coils in my triton atlantis, i just need a place to buy them here in montreal , from what i ve red so far they are a game changer
   
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Default 05-27-2017, 23:58 | posts: 110 | Location: UK

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People don't realise that "some" vapers are actually worse than smoking normal cigarettes

Yes they don't contain tar, and nicotine by itself is fairly harmless, but having a friend who works as a radiographer, he has told me of the internal burning suffered by many vapers, which will never heal, unlike tar damage which can be reversed in time

To ensure that only safe products are being released and used by the public, they should be regulated more strictly
Have you not heard of the TPD ?

It's the EU's answer to your concerns, although in practice it is so flawed that all it does is inconvenience the consumer, along with making governments a bit of cash of course.

A useless bit of legislation, poorly thought out with no net effect on the consumer.

EDIT : I have to admit that there was some short term benefit for us vapers, I managed to snag some TFV12's at less than 1/2 their previous price.
So, not all bad.

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Default 05-28-2017, 23:28 | posts: 44 | Location: canada

i bought the ccell coil today from vaporesso and tried in in my triton v1, i have to say that i really love the taste with these coil, its so soft and amazing !
   
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Default 05-29-2017, 11:55 | posts: 2,000 | Location: Isle of Man

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Have you not heard of the TPD ?

It's the EU's answer to your concerns, although in practice it is so flawed that all it does is inconvenience the consumer, along with making governments a bit of cash of course.

A useless bit of legislation, poorly thought out with no net effect on the consumer.
Interesting read on TPD, thanks for that

I can't see where it mentions anything relating to the burn damage, but maybe its in there somewhere

I personally don't think vapers should be seen as the latest must have gadget with multiple flavours. I would rather it was a tool designed to get you off smoking, and eventually off the vaper

As it stands, a lot of people seem to think its just a cool new accessory, and want to try out as many flavours as possible

Surely this isn't a good thing?
   
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Default 05-29-2017, 15:12 | posts: 110 | Location: UK

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Interesting read on TPD, thanks for that

I can't see where it mentions anything relating to the burn damage, but maybe its in there somewhere

I personally don't think vapers should be seen as the latest must have gadget with multiple flavours. I would rather it was a tool designed to get you off smoking, and eventually off the vaper

As it stands, a lot of people seem to think its just a cool new accessory, and want to try out as many flavours as possible

Surely this isn't a good thing?
I'm not sure there is anything related to internal burning in there either, however this is no new phenomena to me since I remember getting much hotter hits from the last remnants of a spliff.
This in no way invalidates your point and I would be interested to know if there are differences in the temperatures of the stuff we are inhaling.
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 15:08 | posts: 1,926 | Location: Oxford UK

Ordered a Geekvape Griffin 25 Plus and it arrived today, this thing is a cloud chugging beast and the flavour is nice too. I'm sure theres new better RTA's on the market but the Griffin is basically a Tsunami with a tank which is what I wanted and I'm not disapointed. First build is spot on too although it initially leaked a bit but I closed off the juice flow control and then gradually opened it up as I vaped and its now fully open with no leaks so I'm guessing it was a small vacuum issue when I filled up the tank.
   
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Default 06-05-2017, 18:06 | posts: 2,016 | Location: Chicago

Vaping is proving to pose worse health risks than smoking. I've given up smoking cigarettes, weed and drinking alcohol in the last 15 months, in addition to losing 74 pounds and becoming active with a workout schedule and diet I follow. It's not hard to give those vices up if you REALLY WANT TO. Just saying you want to is a different story. It's all in your head. I never understood substituting vaping for smoking. It's still wasting money and posing health risks.
   
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Default 06-06-2017, 06:10 | posts: 1,106 | Location: Bulgaria

Good of you mate! Keep it up! Like, seriously..

But please, donít be one of those guys that just say this or that is bad, without any evidence to support it. I really donít want to argue, or disrespect anyoneís opinion, but we need some serious data, before jumping to conclusions on what is what. I canít speak for others, or their smoking/vaping habits, but I can tell from personal experience that it doesnít feel like it is worse, quite the opposite. Sure you will be better off without it and it's best to just quit smoking and be done with it (I have done it before), but hey ..

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Default 06-06-2017, 06:55 | posts: 1,109 | Location: Hawkes Bay

I used Champix to ease the want for nicotine of a 35yr habit (my doc said I may suffer weird dreams I said what weirder than they are now ) then bought an Endura T18 and some non nicotine based fluid after 8 weeks I find I only use it occasionally when the urge to roll a smoke hits me.... So far so good my lungs are clear I can finally take a deep breath without wanting to coff a lung out and I can smell stuff again


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Default 06-06-2017, 06:59 | posts: 1,109 | Location: Hawkes Bay

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I dont understand vaping. Why not just quit smoking? Yes its hard as balls but after some time you just forget you ever did it.
For some it isn't the smoking thats the problem it the having something to do with your hands.... muscle memory is a hard thing to unlearn and takes much longer than the nicotine withdrawal symptoms to go away


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Default 06-06-2017, 08:05 | posts: 111

if you're vaping, you haven't given up crap.


Pussies.
   
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Default 06-06-2017, 13:58 | posts: 23

I feel like the physical sensation of craving nicotine actually only lasts 3Ė5 minutes, but the mental craving lasts far longer, and itís very common to become fixated on it. I went cold Turkey and hang a picture of horrible looking skin on top of my cealing and it worked. But Good heavens was it hard!
   
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I really don't know how some of you managed to quit smoking, maximum I've ever held out without cigs is 3 days, and I was a nervous wreck throughout those 3 days lol!! Whenever I saw someone else smoke I was getting craves like crazy and going next to them to smell the smoke haha!

Good on you for the people that manage to hold out! But I'm not one of them... Guess I'm destined to die with lung cancer haha
   
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Default 06-27-2017, 10:31 | posts: 5,314 | Location: England

dont see the appeal to be honest. Vaping can be just as bad for you i have read?
   
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Default 06-27-2017, 10:36 | posts: 589 | Location: UK

You've read wrong, sorry.
Vaping is all about harm reduction.
Sure, it may not be completely "safe" but it's a magnitude better than combusting plant matter and inhaling all the tar and the chemicals & toxins they add to the tobacco.
   
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dont see the appeal to be honest. Vaping can be just as bad for you i have read?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e...andmark-review
   
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To ensure that only safe products are being released and used by the public, they should be regulated more strictly
The problem with regulations, is understanding. Regulations passed by people with no understanding of the product or industry they are trying to regulate, typically result in loss of jobs or complete failure of said industry. That's what the US is going through right now with BS "deeming" regulations where the FDA has decided that vaping products are the same as tobacco, yet want to regulate vaping products more strictly than they do tobacco products. Shops have been steadily closing since the regulations went into affect, even though the FDA claimed that their regulations would have no negative impact on jobs. The fee to have a single vaping product "approved" is higher than having any tobacco product "approved". The "approval" process for vaping products is also considerably longer than for tobacco products.

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I'm not sure there is anything related to internal burning in there either, however this is no new phenomena to me since I remember getting much hotter hits from the last remnants of a spliff.
This in no way invalidates your point and I would be interested to know if there are differences in the temperatures of the stuff we are inhaling.
Internal burning comes from improper use of tanks designed for high wattage, the use of high PG liquids or "drippers" used at "extreme" wattages. If the tank or atomizer suffers "spit back" at high wattages or high temperatures....internal burning is the result.

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I dont understand vaping. Why not just quit smoking? Yes its hard as balls but after some time you just forget you ever did it.
Nicotine isn't the problem for all smokers. For some, it's the need to keep hands busy. For others, it's a dependency on those 3000+ additional chemicals that are added to cigarettes to increase addiction rate.

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dont see the appeal to be honest. Vaping can be just as bad for you i have read?
It's actually a lot safer than people think, because people read studies based on false information or listen to people who read studies based on false information. Or they read studies funded by "big tobacco" who instruct researchers to operate vaping products outside of safe parameters.

To put things into perspective... Wine is safe in moderation. Wine is unsafe when consumed in excess.

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You've read wrong, sorry.
Actually, he's not wrong. The older C4E style tanks that used silica wicks, if used improperly, had the potential to kill users faster than cigarettes. There was a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine about it a couple years ago. The study was funded by "big tobacco" with the intent of discrediting vaping and as such a C4E tank was run outside of safe parameters. When the old silica wicks are overheated, they produce a potentially deadly toxin. That's why silica is no longer being used in production of newer products. Unfortunately, there are still tanks available on the market that use silica wicks, which need to be banned.


   
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Default Yesterday, 12:33 | posts: 1,885 | Location: Portugal

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I really don't know how some of you managed to quit smoking, maximum I've ever held out without cigs is 3 days, and I was a nervous wreck throughout those 3 days lol!! Whenever I saw someone else smoke I was getting craves like crazy and going next to them to smell the smoke haha!

Good on you for the people that manage to hold out! But I'm not one of them... Guess I'm destined to die with lung cancer haha
Dude youīre stronger than you think. I was climbing walls for 5 months straight but i managed to quit. After 1 year youīre basically indifferent to smoking. If i managed to quit smoking, everyone can.
   
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