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Intel to Further Bundle Optane memory With Series 200 motherboards
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Default Intel to Further Bundle Optane memory With Series 200 motherboards - 05-18-2017, 16:10 | posts: 28,955 | Location: Guru3D testlab

It seems Intel is hurting in PC sales due to a 'weak demand'in the PC DiY market. Hence Intel is pushing its motherboard partners to bundle┬*Optane memory, much like MSI recently did. Motherboard ma...

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Default Not so sure - 05-18-2017, 17:46 | posts: 74

I'm not sure this will have much if any impact on the DIY market as most who would roll there own would pick up an SSD instead. Hey Intel, maybe reduce prices of all your mid to high end desktop CPU's would help?
   
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Default 05-18-2017, 18:49 | posts: 1,876 | Location: Mars

Like everyone said before, Optane in his current state is useless! Don┤t understand why Intel even bothered releasing it...

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Hey Intel, maybe reduce prices of all your mid to high end desktop CPU's would help?
This would surely help.
   
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Like everyone said before, Optane in his current state is useless! Don┤t understand why Intel even bothered releasing it...
To recuperate costs. This was supposed to be the great memory/storage unifier technology. It seems that none of them have really come into fruition, including HP's Machine.
   
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Default 05-18-2017, 20:27 | posts: 1,876 | Location: Mars

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To recuperate costs. This was supposed to be the great memory/storage unifier technology. It seems that none of them have really come into fruition, including HP's Machine.
Hard to recuperate costs with a product that nobody wants... As for what it was supposed to be, we have to give it some time. This is the first generation so maybe in the future it will be what it promised to be...
   
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Default 05-18-2017, 17:54 | posts: 93

Especially DIY people know about the usefulness of Optane - so of all things I'd bundle there, Optane wouldn't be it.
   
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Default 05-18-2017, 17:57 | posts: 10,116 | Location: United states of Kingdom

They have to do something with their Optane stock I spose.
   
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Default 05-18-2017, 18:01 | posts: 1,163 | Location: Maryland, USA

Yes, the memory that nobody asked for or needed. It's useless in it's current form to an average user, gaming machine, and probably HEDT users too.
   
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Default 05-18-2017, 18:14 | posts: 690 | Location: Finland

They should just make standard compatibility M.2 NVMe SSDs with 3D XPoint and sell them for a reasonable price. I know I'd rather spend an M.2 slot for a good-sized SSD, not some stupid 16GB lolptane drive.
   
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Default 05-18-2017, 19:36 | posts: 46

I wouldn't use Optane in it's current form if you gave it to me for free.

Optane is miles from what it was touted to be, it needs years more development.
   
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Default 05-18-2017, 21:18 | posts: 72 | Location: Canada

Intel is shooting themselves in the foot with this. As soon as I saw the prices when it was first announced, I knew there wouldnt be demand for it, the price is way too high atm.
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 01:46 | posts: 627 | Location: Ontario Canada

I've personally never looked into this optane crap but from what I can gather from comments I assume it's just like using a cache drive is that right?
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 02:55 | posts: 504 | Location: Los Angeles

Intel has absolutely no vision. They keep all the great tech to themselves and sell us the scraps like it's gold.

I really hope they get someone there to restructure the entire company.

They have amazing tech in their labs for sure, but they're giving it to us one bread crumb at a time.

I hope AMD's threadripper destroys Intel's X299 lineup at a cheaper price, so Intel can go back to the drawing board.
   
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Default Amd - 05-19-2017, 14:03 | posts: 74

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Intel has absolutely no vision. They keep all the great tech to themselves and sell us the scraps like it's gold.

I really hope they get someone there to restructure the entire company.

They have amazing tech in their labs for sure, but they're giving it to us one bread crumb at a time.

I hope AMD's threadripper destroys Intel's X299 lineup at a cheaper price, so Intel can go back to the drawing board.
I agree and wish the same about AMD. I do believe Intel has slowed its pace so AMD can get back in the race. In the long term its more profitable having AMD with some extra market share than being deemed a monopoly. When Icelake comes out in 1-2 years we will know exactly how much if any Intel was sandbagging for the last few years.
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 14:13 | posts: 1,102 | Location: Into the light

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Intel has absolutely no vision. They keep all the great tech to themselves and sell us the scraps like it's gold.

I really hope they get someone there to restructure the entire company.
I told this before,Intel need a CEO with vision of the future,not some old fart which is still have past visions.Yeah,lets get them some i5/i7 with 5-7% perf,lets get them over-priced Xeons with new socket,but same tick-tock.

Nobody waits Skylake-X or Coffee Lake,because they will be over-priced vs Ryzen 7.

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Default 05-19-2017, 15:33 | posts: 9,408 | Location: USA

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I told this before,Intel need a CEO with vision of the future,not some old fart which is still have past visions.Yeah,lets get them some i5/i7 with 5-7% perf,lets get them over-priced Xeons with new socket,but same tick-tock.

Nobody waits Skylake-X or Coffee Lake,because they will be over-priced vs Ryzen 7.
I don't think you understand the technicalities in having huge performance increases.

It's going to be small 5-7% boosts until they hit some kind of breakthrough.

Yeah you could say more cores but still average PC user can't use many.

Granted Prices should be lower but that's another story.

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Optane is really nice regarding latency..
Ten times less than avg SSD but in consumer market that's not too important.
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 15:41 | posts: 97 | Location: PA

I would definitely love to take advantage of the technology since I'm the very few that are still using all SATA hard drive but alas, the narrowed vision of only making the memory available only for the Kaby Lake chip and above is pretty lame. Just upgraded to Skylake on last summer and have no desire to upgrading this machine for a long while.

Might jump on the SSD bandwagon soon but just don't have any desire of reinstalling everything for a while... we'll see how it goes.
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 17:59 | posts: 1,102 | Location: Into the light

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Granted Prices should be lower but that's another story.
Prices,hope not like this.

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Default 05-19-2017, 19:43 | posts: 690 | Location: Finland

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I don't think you understand the technicalities in having huge performance increases.

It's going to be small 5-7% boosts until they hit some kind of breakthrough.

Yeah you could say more cores but still average PC user can't use many.
Average PC user can use as many cores as the CPU has when encoding, compiling, rendering, etc. Has been able for more than a decade. When consoles got 8 cores, do you think console games still stuck to 4 cores, huh? No, they didn't. Many PC games stick to few cores because Intel told the world 4 cores is the max for a regular home PC. Just like those old geezers in the middle of the last century told it's enough to have one computer per institution/business enterprise and nobody needs one at home. Fortunately nobody told Intel that or only a few of us would ever touch a PC in our lives.
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 18:49 | posts: 1,102 | Location: Into the light

At launch Gtx 1080 was expensive,FE or not.Now you can buy cheaper on ebay.
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 19:03 | posts: 10,815 | Location: Terra Firma

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At launch Gtx 1080 was expensive,FE or not.Now you can buy cheaper on ebay.
So basically every card?

At launch the Fury X was $650 - a little over a year later it was selling for $350-400. AMD must be so greedy to charge that insane $650 number initially, said no one ever.
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 23:12 | posts: 504 | Location: Los Angeles

Imagine if Nvidia could make x86 CPUs...with their R&D and budget, we'd get something amazing 40% faster every 2 years instead of this 2-5% crap we have with Intel.

It's amazing to think that last year around this time, Nvidia was worth around 10 billion and are now approaching 80 billion. Pretty soon they'll surpass Intel.
   
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Imagine if Nvidia could make x86 CPUs...with their R&D and budget, we'd get something amazing 40% faster every 2 years instead of this 2-5% crap we have with Intel.

It's amazing to think that last year around this time, Nvidia was worth around 10 billion and are now approaching 80 billion. Pretty soon they'll surpass Intel.
wow they really worth that much? I should bought stock in the them years ago like I wanted
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 23:39 | posts: 6,768

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Imagine if Nvidia could make x86 CPUs...with their R&D and budget, we'd get something amazing 40% faster every 2 years instead of this 2-5% crap we have with Intel.

It's amazing to think that last year around this time, Nvidia was worth around 10 billion and are now approaching 80 billion. Pretty soon they'll surpass Intel.
There is no magic. Intel has some of the best (if not the best) CPU designers in the world, and the best Fabs in the world. There are also some problems that can't be solved no matter how much money you throw at them.

Also, always keep in mind: Current Market Valuation =! Money at hand.

Not that NVIDIA has any problem with any of that.
   
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