Best for gaming ?

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  1. Del_Boy

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    hi, i have just brought an am3+ mobo, next purchase is processor, for gaming (old games and new) which is best, 1100t or fx8210/50.
    Thoughts please.
     
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    1100T for sure. Why are you upgrading from a Q9505 though?
     
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    Because a jump from ddr2 to the ddr3 ram that the am3+ mobo uses is a leap forward in its self, i have also got coming my way x2 4gb Kingston hyper-x 1600mhz (ddr3). My current ram is x4 2gb corsair xms2 which is ddr2, ie 800mhz, so theoretically just the ram alone should be double quick, and ive this old tech in my system for quite some time now.
     
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    DDR3 isn't just a straight upgrade over DDR2. In fact, you won't see hardly any gains in upgrading. DDR3, while capable of higher frequencies, generally has far higher latencies. Your Q9505S is also just as fast clock for clock as an 1100T so you won't be getting anywhere (the two extra cores won't come into play in almost anything).

    If you really want to upgrade to a modern platform, stay with intel and get a sandy or ivy bridge chip (2500K, 3570K). They're much, much faster than what you have or what you want to upgrade to.
     

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    I'd get a Phenom Ii X6 1090T or 1100T. Cheaper and often faster than FX-8150.
    But as mentioned... it's not a hughe upgrade your doing. Frankly when I went from a 2009 Phenom II X4 955 3.2 GHz to the Phenom II X6 1090T in April 2010 and the performance boost was 0 and sometimes even negative. I've OC'ed the 1090T to 3.6GHz on all 6 six cores now just to "feel" some more power. The Intel Core i7 870 running stock clocks on my other PC is still out running that X6 II 1090T.
     
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    yeah price has a big part in it for me, i would like to go intel 2500k but they are nearer the £200 mark, also my graphics card apparently can have problems with sandy bridge, so i would then have to get a new gpu and then the cost would spiral, so for now the most cost effective way to get the most out of what im not changing would be to go AMD (cheap) i can get a 1100t for £128 or a fx8120 for £143, my mobo i have coming was only £45 and ram was only £45, so you can see for minimum cost i can get a faster pc.
     
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    You're still spending hundreds of pounds that aren't really worth it. And who told you a 6870 has problems with Sandy Bridge? I haven't heard that.
     
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    i5 3450/3550 costs 140-160£...
    What do you mean? Sounds BS...
    *slower for the same price. At this moment, AMD CPUs are a waste of money.
    You can get a H61 board for 40 pounds.

    If you're still gonna go AMD way, get a cheap quad (Phenom II X4 960T, maybe 965 BE) and OC it. This should give best performance from AMD in most games. But personally I'd sell or return that board and go for Intel combo. Higher performance and lower power consumption for same price.
     
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    not 6870 in general, but my type of dual gpu card specifically. I think it will be the 1100t , thanks guys.
     
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    Not really a good idea to sidegrade from socket 775 to Phenom 2 aka socket 775 direct competitor. Intel is the way to go for a full upgrade
     

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    hmm.. side-grade ?, direct competitor ?, i was under the impression that the higher end AMD cpu's where faster than the 7 year old intel tech ? yes, no ? if so then it would be an upgrade ?
     
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    Q9000 (released '08 H1) were direct competitors to Phenom II X4 ('09 H1). Apart from two extra cores, Phenom II X6 is the same PII X4. No significant per-clock performance improvements or anything like that.
     
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    ^^ This ! I "side-graded" from Phenom II X4 955 BE 3.2GHz to Phenom II X6 1090T 3.2 GHz in April 2010 and there was absolutely 0 difference in every other application than video-rendering where the extra 2 cores helped a bit more.

    If you really want at Phenom II X6 then make sure to overclock it on all 6 cores just to make some sort of difference to the past generation X4's. One positive aspect of the X6 though is it runs quite cool.
     
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    It really is a sidegrade, to be honest the Core 2 Quad Q9505 is probably as fast as a Phenom II 965 BE. To be honest, I would have kept the Core 2 Quad if I were you and just waited it out until Haswell hit the market unless AMD's next generation Piledriver is able to actually fix many things like cache and the branch predictor which caused issues with Bulldozer in order for it to be worth while for the consumer market.

    I also concur with other forum members that dual GPUs not being able to run on Sandy/Ivy Bridge is BS. Many people run multi GPU configurations on these platforms.

    deltatux
     
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    Best to do research before buying motherboards. Iirc the sk 775 45nm quads are faster clock for clock than P2
     
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    All I know is my x4 965BE @4.0GHZ still gets the job done.

    Having said that, I'd be content keeping your current intel cpu, you won't get much, if any gains with what you plan on moving to. DDR2 vs. 3 is irrelevant right now.
     
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    for best bang for buck the best cpus i use for gaming rig builds(amd side) are 4170, 6200, 8150(i think its worth it over 8120), 955/970/980(depending on how lazy an OCer you are) i don't really recomend the 1100t much anymore because it can be hard to find. low end thubans are the only ones with a large supply right now. 6200 is actually much faster and is very well priced.

    also ddr3 "gains" are minimal the big difference with ddr3 is power consumption.

    edit- also the intel cpu you have should still be fine. my cousin games fine on a stock e8400 for christs sake. waiting for haswell is a very good option right now. but if you want to upgrade just to have something fresh i woudl actuallya dvise intel. if you have a microcenter nearby 2500/3570k cpus can be had for really great prices and would be an incredible leap.
     
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    I'm thinking over theese:
    AMD FX X8 8120 BOX, s. AM3+, 3.1/4.0GHz, 16MB cache, Eight Core
    AMD FX X6 6200 BOX, s. AM3+, 3.8GHz, 14MB cache, Six Core

    It's for gaming. Which one should be as close to
    Core i5 2320 BOX, s. 1155, 3.00GHz, 7MB cache

    I want to play next gen games for about 5 years.
     
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    He actually bought a Bulldozer CPU. Wow.
     
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    looks like he didnt buy it yet. he wants i5 2320 performance with out buying one:3eyes:
     
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