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Talking 05-19-2017, 22:18 | posts: 3,123 | Location: HolyWater Village

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Actually due to HBCC taking data in smaller chunks it mainly saves Memory Bandwidth.
So there is plain benefit for APUs. Secondly, Raja mentioned something bit weird where I am not sure how exactly he meant it.

That should not be forgotten in APU based notebooks. In many scenarios it will make AMD's mobile chips even more attractive than they are now to those who know current small difference to intel's offering.

And It would be crazy cool if APU finally had 2 Stacks of HBM2 (8GB) and therefore ~480GB/s access to unified system memory.
And maby it can be Turned On for HBM Fiji GPUs (Maby as a Tweak or in ReLive)


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Default 05-22-2017, 13:56 | posts: 6,846

I somehow believe it's really in the hardware this time Onna.
   
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I somehow believe it's really in the hardware this time Onna.
Maby i will go for VEGA but - Sept/December not sooner
And we shall see

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...hs_after_vega/

Seems like RX Vega isn't coming till August/September now.
   
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Seems like RX Vega isn't coming till August/September now.
Should have made a larger Polaris.
   
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Should have made a larger Polaris.
I think it would have spread amd thin and delayed vega, so far I think the biggest hurdle amd has faced is getting enough hbm2.

while vega may not be ready for mass market adoption, it will be ready for professional use however.

Those new vega based pro ssgs are likely to bring amd alot of much needed cash as it lacks any competition.

7nm vega with 1/2 double precision, will also likely be ahead or meet of what ever nvidia has in store to replace the new v100 accelerators.

I think is far more important for amd to have a real advantage rather than just barely getting by with another barely baked solution (fiji) that ends up not competing very well.
   
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Default 05-23-2017, 06:12 | posts: 50

omg they're really having trouble with getting them hbm2 out

Maybe I should buy some polaris card while waiting for vega? I'd really like to play the new Prey
   
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Default 05-23-2017, 06:21 | posts: 420 | Location: Auckland

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I think it would have spread amd thin and delayed vega, so far I think the biggest hurdle amd has faced is getting enough hbm2.

while vega may not be ready for mass market adoption, it will be ready for professional use however.

Those new vega based pro ssgs are likely to bring amd alot of much needed cash as it lacks any competition.

7nm vega with 1/2 double precision, will also likely be ahead or meet of what ever nvidia has in store to replace the new v100 accelerators.

I think is far more important for amd to have a real advantage rather than just barely getting by with another barely baked solution (fiji) that ends up not competing very well.
It's a shame they couldn't do HBM2 on the professional cards and DDR on the consumer version like what Nvidia is doing. At least that way we can have a Vega card before Xmas. The way it's going who knows when we will get consumer cards based on Vega.

Also I very much doubt we will get 7nm Vega by the first quarter of 2018. That is when Volta is supposed to launch from the looks of the rumors.
   
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It's a shame they couldn't do HBM2 on the professional cards and DDR on the consumer version like what Nvidia is doing. At least that way we can have a Vega card before Xmas. The way it's going who knows when we will get consumer cards based on Vega.

Also I very much doubt we will get 7nm Vega by the first quarter of 2018. That is when Volta is supposed to launch from the looks of the rumors.
Is there a reason why they chose to partner with SK Hynix, and not Samsung? Are they hoping to build growth (for Hynix) and partnership with Hynix, and thus went with them?
   
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Is there a reason why they chose to partner with SK Hynix, and not Samsung? Are they hoping to build growth (for Hynix) and partnership with Hynix, and thus went with them?
No issues with them going HBM for the professional cards. But do consumers really need it.
   
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Is there a reason why they chose to partner with SK Hynix, and not Samsung? Are they hoping to build growth (for Hynix) and partnership with Hynix, and thus went with them?
$$$$$$
   
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Samsung has 3.5-inch 120Hz OLED: next-gen VR panels

Samsung has been teasing its new 1.96-inch 4K LCD, but its next-gen 3.5-inch OLED sounds much more appealing because it's closer than the super-small 1.96-inch LCDs.

The new 3.5-inch display comes in at 858 PPI, and has been "optimized for VR devices, 120Hz for wearable and tablet OLED products are displayed for smooth picture quality". Samsung is making the new 120Hz display with an OLED panel and HDR support, with Samsung also touting low power consumption on the 3.5-inch OLED.

The wording here could indicate that these new panels are not 120Hz for VR, as Samsung says: "3.5-inch size, 858ppi optimized for VR devices, 120Hz for wearable and tablet OLED products are displayed for smooth picture quality". It is a translation, so we could expect VR at a different refresh rate - but I really doubt that.
The next jump for VR from 90Hz will be 120Hz, at least.
   
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It's a shame they couldn't do HBM2 on the professional cards and DDR on the consumer version like what Nvidia is doing. At least that way we can have a Vega card before Xmas. The way it's going who knows when we will get consumer cards based on Vega.

Also I very much doubt we will get 7nm Vega by the first quarter of 2018. That is when Volta is supposed to launch from the looks of the rumors.
The way i see it, 2048bit interface for HBM, up to 512bit for GDDRxx.
You'd have to allocate more pins and die for something that may not be used ever.
The smaller Vega might be GDDRxx, akin to the GP100/102.

Have we had any info on small Vega yet ?
   
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The way i see it, 2048bit interface for HBM, up to 512bit for GDDRxx.
You'd have to allocate more pins and die for something that may not be used ever.
The smaller Vega might be GDDRxx, akin to the GP100/102.

Have we had any info on small Vega yet ?
Not a lot of info really. Just pretty much rumors at this stage.
   
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Default 05-23-2017, 12:15 | posts: 10,992 | Location: Terra Firma

I'm pretty sure AMD is dual sourcing from SK Hynix/Samsung. Raja mentioned both companies as suppliers during the AMA. I know Nvidia definitely sources from both and doesn't seem to have any problems in terms of supply. So either Nvidia is buying all the HBM2 up or Vega isn't effected by HBM supply.

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I'm pretty sure AMD is dual sourcing from SK Hynix/Samsung. Raja mentioned both companies as suppliers during the AMA. I know Nvidia definitely sources from both and doesn't seem to have any problems in terms of supply. So either Nvidia is buying all the HBM2 up or Vega isn't effected by HBM supply.
It should be noted nvidia is using 4 stacks and lower binned memory(only 720gb/s despite double the bus width), the quadro gp100 cards which are the closest equivalent also cost 5000$+ and are considerably lower volume products.

Consumer vega by contrast requires higher binned memory, much higher volume and will sell for much less.

hbm2 I think is the weakest link in the supply chain since it has had numerous delays and yield issues hynix still only lists hbm2 1.6gbps 4gb available in their q2 databook http://www.skhynix.com/static/fileda...oad.do?seq=421

I would not be suprised if hbm2 not being ready is the main reason vega hasn't launched yet

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Default 05-23-2017, 13:19 | posts: 10,992 | Location: Terra Firma

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It should be noted nvidia is using 4 stacks and lower binned memory(only 720gb/s despite double the bus width), the quadro gp100 cards which are the closest equivalent also cost 5000$+ and are considerably lower volume products.

Consumer vega by contrast requires higher binned memory, much higher volume and will sell for much less.

hbm2 I think is the weakest link in the supply chain since it has had numerous delays and yield issues hynix still only lists hbm2 1.6gbps 4gb available in their q2 databook http://www.skhynix.com/static/fileda...oad.do?seq=421

I would not be suprised if hbm2 not being ready is the main reason vega hasn't launched yet
For consumer vega, yeah - but why wouldn't AMD already be shipping/activating MI25 cards at similar price points if HBM was the only thing holding it back?

Liquidsky for example was supposed to get them several months ago.

https://community.liquidsky.tv/t/if-...-would/29696/9

This came up a few weeks ago and on the AMD subreddit half the people basically said they have the MI25 cards but can't use them until Vega ships (which makes no sense to me) the other half say Liquidsky hasn't received them yet.

Like architecturally AMD definitely has the better chip in terms of compute workloads vs Pascal. They could charge the same $5K for their HBM2 cards and bang out awesome margins. But they aren't and yet Nvidia utilizing HBM2 is. So obviously it's not the HBM, or it's not just the HBM holding it back.

And yeah, SK just removed the 2.0 gbps chips off their site when they announced the GDDR6 stuff.

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Default 05-24-2017, 04:44 | posts: 523 | Location: Bangladesh

By the time VEGA hits the market, nvidia will have Volta cards out in the market with a distinct advantage that'll likely push GTX 1080 Ti to take up the position currently occupied by GTX 980 Ti/Fury X/GTX 1070. And again, AMD will be competing for mid-upper mid range market.

I'd very much like for AMD to prove me wrong. We need competition in this segment like we had back in the GTX 200/400/500/600/700 VS HD 4000/5000/6000/7000/R9 200 cycle.

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By the time VEGA hits the market, nvidia will have Volta cards out in the market with a distinct advantage that'll likely push GTX 1080 Ti to take up the position currently occupied by GTX 980 Ti/Fury X/GTX 1070. And again, AMD will be competing for mid-upper mid range market.

I'd very much like for AMD to prove me wrong. We need competition in this segment like we had back in the GTX 200/400/500/600/700 VS HD 4000/5000/6000/7000/R9 200 cycle.
Most likely due to money constraints.
I don't see them catching up anytime soon.
   
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By the time VEGA hits the market, nvidia will have Volta cards out in the market with a distinct advantage that'll likely push GTX 1080 Ti to take up the position currently occupied by GTX 980 Ti/Fury X/GTX 1070. And again, AMD will be competing for mid-upper mid range market.

I'd very much like for AMD to prove me wrong. We need competition in this segment like we had back in the GTX 200/400/500/600/700 VS HD 4000/5000/6000/7000/R9 200 cycle.
If they bring Volta with GDDR6 we will see them 2018. Expecting Vega to be out then?
   
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Seems like RX Vega isn't coming till August/September now.
Always wait and see for yourself before you buy into someone else's bull****. What the OP of that thread posted wasn't true and the thread is already deleted.

In this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...r_vega_fe_not/ you'll find a link to an audio file in which SU talks about the launch of VEGA. The frontier editon will be first (latter half of June) the rest will follow very soon thereafter.
   
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For anyone tired of waiting for Vega, I'll be putting up my MSI Gaming X 1070 for sale in the buying/trading subforum for a really nice price, probably this weekend. I've been really pleased with the card and wouldn't be selling it for another couple of years if I hadn't stumbled upon a stupidly good deal for a 1080. It feels good to stick it to Huang, lol.
   
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Samsung has 3.5-inch 120Hz OLED: next-gen VR panels

Samsung has been teasing its new 1.96-inch 4K LCD, but its next-gen 3.5-inch OLED sounds much more appealing because it's closer than the super-small 1.96-inch LCDs.

The new 3.5-inch display comes in at 858 PPI, and has been "optimized for VR devices, 120Hz for wearable and tablet OLED products are displayed for smooth picture quality". Samsung is making the new 120Hz display with an OLED panel and HDR support, with Samsung also touting low power consumption on the 3.5-inch OLED.

The wording here could indicate that these new panels are not 120Hz for VR, as Samsung says: "3.5-inch size, 858ppi optimized for VR devices, 120Hz for wearable and tablet OLED products are displayed for smooth picture quality". It is a translation, so we could expect VR at a different refresh rate - but I really doubt that.
The next jump for VR from 90Hz will be 120Hz, at least.
glad i returned my Vive, nothing wrong with 90 hz but that ppi... Horrible, think it's under 350, 850 ppi seems like a big jump, which is awesome.
   
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glad i returned my Vive, nothing wrong with 90 hz but that ppi... Horrible, think it's under 350, 850 ppi seems like a big jump, which is awesome.
For me PPI is not an issue, I mind huge black gaps in between pixels. That's why AMOLED are quite acceptable for me in Samsung's Gear VR.

And I would even managed to live with those huge black gaps in between pixels if HTC Vive was Adaptive sync based.

My main issue is that in VR there are very few games. While on 3D screen, you can enhance your experience in like 90% of existing games.

Even platformers like Giana Sisters or Trine are awesome on 3D, while on VR it is quite pointless...

There should have been many strategy games with VR support already, that would not be hard to implement and enjoyable to play.
   
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Talking 05-25-2017, 10:30 | posts: 3,123 | Location: HolyWater Village

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Always wait and see for yourself before you buy into someone else's bull****. What the OP of that thread posted wasn't true and the thread is already deleted.

In this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...r_vega_fe_not/ you'll find a link to an audio file in which SU talks about the launch of VEGA. The frontier editon will be first (latter half of June) the rest will follow very soon thereafter.
IMO it will launch 24-29 VI
   
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