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Default 06-19-2017, 20:08 | posts: 7,558 | Location: USA

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Yeh, they made changes in CU, if you look at WD icon an settings, if you have cluod off option but realtime on you still get the yellow mark on icon with "action recommended".

On AV, well they might not be wrong, many AV can mess with system files and resources.
and MS own updates dont mess with system files and resources? and or cause issue?

I have WD icon and server disabled
   
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Default 06-19-2017, 23:35 | posts: 1,347

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and MS own updates dont mess with system files and resources? and or cause issue?

I have WD icon and server disabled
Hehe, Come on, of course they do they manage the OS, 3rd party must follow in proper ways.
   
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Default 06-19-2017, 23:52 | posts: 7,558 | Location: USA

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Hehe, Come on, of course they do they manage the OS, 3rd party must follow in proper ways.
Sarcasm does not work in web! but yah, MS is making much much harder for AV companies to stay on there "av" list just one more way MS is going foward with monopolizing things further

I especial hate that MS is remove software they dont "like" when systems are updated.

Which isnt all that bad till Windows start deleting things like Steam/Origin and there games in the folder. Not sure what cause it month ago my uncles pc had his Origin program and ALL games delete from his drive, when 8 hours earlier it was all there and working, not sure how if that is what really happen, but that entire dir was deleted with in 8 hours of his last use and we only one that really used that system.
   
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Default 06-20-2017, 09:45 | posts: 167

Hello all, don't really want to open a new thread for this.
Since recently, when I open a website that has an embedded youtube video within it (only youtube videos) my CPU speed goes to max, and each tab uses around 16% (so with about 6 tabs I can peg my CPU).
I don't have to start the video, just the fact that it is embedded on the page will do this. It happens with all the browsers as well. (No extentions). Youtube website works fine.
I'm thinking it is something to do with the most recent KB4022405 (which can't be uninstalled). It's not GPU drivers.
Is this a happening to anyone else ? Is this a known problem ?

(oh and by any chance is there a solution yet to the slow boot times that came with the CU?)

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Default 06-20-2017, 20:13 | posts: 7,558 | Location: USA

i have no such issue it might your browser the cause
   
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Default 06-26-2017, 21:23 | posts: 3,559 | Location: Finland

Just came from geforce driver forum and got me thinking:

wasn't CU supposed to give users more control over updates via WU? Or was I dreaming
   
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Default 06-26-2017, 21:56 | posts: 7,558 | Location: USA

there is a "do not included drivers with windows update" option in the gpedit since 1607. This can even be done via registry too


Since I enabled this all my systems that 1607 or higher including CU i have not see windows trying to download or install drivers, I still using 375.70 too

Last time I seen windows try to install drivers, and or forcible download install them with notice, was back in 1511 build

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Default 06-27-2017, 10:47 | posts: 3,559 | Location: Finland

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there is a "do not included drivers with windows update" option in the gpedit since 1607. This can even be done via registry too


Since I enabled this all my systems that 1607 or higher including CU i have not see windows trying to download or install drivers, I still using 375.70 too

Last time I seen windows try to install drivers, and or forcible download install them with notice, was back in 1511 build
Any idea what registry value needs to be changed? I have Home edition so no gpedit.
   
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Default 06-27-2017, 12:12 | posts: 13,182 | Location: Sweden

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/stop-w...-automatically

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Using Group Policy Editor

Type gpedit.msc in start search and hit Enter to open Group Policy Editor.

Navigate to Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > System > Device Installation > Device Installation.

Now in the RHS pane double click on Prevent Installation of Devices not described by other policy settings.

Set it at Enabled. Click Apply / OK.

Using Windows Registry

If your Windows does not have Group Policy, you can navigate to the following key in Windows Registry:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\DriverSearching

Set the value of SearchOrderConfig to 0 to block driver updates. A value of 1 allows downloads of driver updates.

Restart your computer.
Home Edition though so at worst it's going to be ignored though at best it'll still take with the only difference being that you'd need to look up or know the registry value which is pretty much what is set via GPEdit so the results should be the same.



EDIT: In general this from Microsoft can also be useful but it doesn't cover all the settings.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...osoft-services

Though together with other guides it should give a good overview of the various GPEdit settings and what they do.
   
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Default 06-27-2017, 12:29 | posts: 1,347

You can use GP to also stop driver updates for specific HW ID#, down side is when you want to manually update that HW you will need to disable it back to stock setting and then enable after the update back again.

https://www.howtogeek.com/263851/how...cific-drivers/

I think this still works in CU.
   
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You can use GP to also stop driver updates for specific HW ID#, down side is when you want to manually update that HW you will need to disable it back to stock setting and then enable after the update back again.

https://www.howtogeek.com/263851/how...cific-drivers/

I think this still works in CU.
yah that still works, quiet well WU could download drivers all it want and try to install it all it wants, but it will fail for what class guid device you specified.

"Do not included drivers with windows update" has done is job of blocking, but on home, it may or maybe not work when done threw registry, I know last time I tired to force "home" of win 10 to notify before downloading threw WU it didnt work either
   
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Default 06-27-2017, 20:57 | posts: 3,559 | Location: Finland

^ thanks guys.

Actually like I posted earlier I'm running a WU installed driver atm just happily. Not too optimistic about future driver updates via WU though.

Plus the current WU driver is installed on a clean install of Windows without any previous drivers. It's the most hassle free, and completely telemetry/bloatware free, driver I've had for a while (382.05).

Maybe I'll just see what happens. Some people on geforce driver forum said WU may even overwrite a newer driver should it so decide...
   
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Default 06-27-2017, 21:46 | posts: 7,558 | Location: USA

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^ thanks guys.

Actually like I posted earlier I'm running a WU installed driver atm just happily. Not too optimistic about future driver updates via WU though.

Plus the current WU driver is installed on a clean install of Windows without any previous drivers. It's the most hassle free, and completely telemetry/bloatware free, driver I've had for a while (382.05).

Maybe I'll just see what happens. Some people on geforce driver forum said WU may even overwrite a newer driver should it so decide...
telemetry from nvidia drivers dont get installed if you manual exact the exe. and manual run setup.exe and pick, drivers and physic only, and dont install GFE
   
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I know that but given the choice of readily "clean" driver I'll take it.
   
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I know that but given the choice of readily "clean" driver I'll take it.
the wu drivers are not it either, unless you need 3d vision/hd audio drivers. i dont need either so wu wanting to install that stuff is bloat to me

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https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...date-kb4022716

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This non-security update includes quality improvements. No new operating system features are being introduced in this update. Key changes include:

Addressed an issue introduced by KB4022725 where Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge printing from a frame may result in 404 not found or blank page printed.
Addressed issue where network printers may fail to install when using the printer vendor’s setup software on machines with less than 4 GB of RAM. These printers will install properly if you install using the Settings app or from Devices and Printers in Control Panel.
Addressed issue that causes high memory usage for the Camera app on mobile platforms, which reduces battery life. Any app that uses a media capture element (MCE) or media element (ME) and plays 1080p will consume a lot of power, which will significantly reduce battery life.
Addressed issue where, after updating to the Creators Update, devices that have Receive Segment Coalescing (RSC) enabled have significantly low wireless throughput.
Addressed issue (Error 0x7F) with Windows Forms (WinForms) that causes the system to crash after upgrading to the Creators Update.
Addressed issue that prevents users from connecting to the Terminal Services Gateway (TSG) running on Windows Server 2008 SP2 after upgrading to the Creators Update. As a result, users cannot access Remote Desktop Services or remote apps.
Addressed issue where, if you specify an auto-logon configuration in Unattend.xml, auto-logon only works on the first logon, but will not work again when the device is restarted.
Addressed issue where users cannot sign in with Face after upgrading to Windows 10 RS2.
Addressed issue where, after upgrading to Windows 10 RS2, modem dial-up fails with Error 633.
Addressed issue where the smartcard service (sccardsvr.exe) stops periodically and never restarts when the smart card application attempts to access the cards.
Addressed issue where, when a laptop connected to an ISCSI disk leaves the corporate network, an error may occur when it resumes if it does not connect to the VPN fast enough.
Addressed issue where a remote desktop connection with Windows 2016 RDS server fails authentication when using smartcards.
Addressed issue where Open Mobile Alliance (OMA) Device Management (DM) uses the wrong interface to index the on-demand APN.
Addressed issue with a memory leak in the camera platform across all devices for PC (MIPI and USB cameras).
Addressed issue where, if the device lid close action was set to "Do Nothing", closing and re-opening the lid causes all Universal Windows Platform apps to stop responding.
Addressed issue with failed login scenarios that occur because the device does not reconnect to the host PC.
Addressed issue where users must wait between 40 to 60 minutes after a print spooler restart before attempting to change any printer settings.
Addressed issue where the cursor type does not maintain the arrow shape when the user mouses over a select option in Internet Explorer.
Addressed issue where searching for a string on a page that has many iframes causes Internet Explorer to stop working.
Addressed issue where Internet Explorer stops responding when a user clicks on an empty column header and then immediately holds down the SHIFT key and double clicks.
Addressed issue where the onhashchange event is not called when navigating hashed URLs in Internet Explorer.
Addressed issue to improve pairing, connecting, synchronizing, and notifications experiences for a third-party wearable device.
Addressed issue to improve Bluetooth connectivity to wearable devices.
Addressed issue where the NewWindow3 event is not called in Internet Explorer.
Address issue with a memory leak that occurs when calling BluetoothGATTRegisterEvent() and BluetoothGATTUnregisterEvent() functions for an NFC card reader.
Addressed issue where a clear (x) button inside HTML text fields cannot be disabled using the ::ms-clear attribute when Document Modes are less than 10 in Internet Explorer 11.
Addressed issue where Internet Explorer 11 would fail to load HTML page after installing KB3021952.
Addressed issue where a Windows Phone experiences data loss (email, contact, SMS, etc.) caused by Unistore database corruption.
Addressed issue where guest VMs bound to a wireless NIC can lose network connectivity if the guest does not send an Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) packet in the fixed timeout window (5 minutes).
Addressed issue where certain elements (input or select) cannot be active targets of any action in Internet Explorer 11. This occurs after removing an iframe that contained a cursor inside certain elements (input or select) and then adding a new iframe.
Addressed issue with NVIDIA drivers that stop working (Error 0x9f) when the system goes to sleep. This also causes a shutdown of Microsoft Surface Hubs.
Addressed issue to improve Remote Desktop Protocol connections to an RD Gateway configured for RPC over HTTP.
Addressed issue with non-UWP applications calling into Windows.Devices.Bluetooth API's to register callbacks or Async operations.
Addressed issue with an NFC driver that becomes non-functional because of improperly tracked timer handles.
Addressed issue with Centennial apps that fail if they try to use the Payment Request API.
Addressed issue where the Disk Cleanup and the Storage Settings tool remove files from system32 when file paths exceed the MAX_PATH size; as a result, the machine cannot be booted.
Addressed issue to set the default cellular data roaming setting to “Don’t roam” when upgrading to Windows 10 Version 1703.
Addressed a reliability issue in Windows Search.
Addressed issue that lead to the loss of functionality on certain third-party network adapters after upgrading to Windows 10 Version 1703.

If you installed earlier updates, only the new fixes contained in this package will be downloaded and installed on your device.

That is a lot of bug fixes.
   
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Looks like a lot of Win 10 mobile/cell phone sort of fixes. Basically zero apply to me, a bare-bones gaming first no fluff sort of user, but I suppose it's better for them to fix stuff rather than just leaving bugs.
   
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been using windows 7 on my machine last couple weeks.

I have not had any display driver problem like I was having in windows 10 creators update.

problem I had was TDR when web browsing and display port issues with flicker display when display is woke up from sleep. add to switch resolution back and forth and it would stop.


windows 7 also seems way more responsive then what windows 10 been.
   
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Just noticed that Windows states 14GB of installed RAM. I guess 2GB were stolen by gnomes or something...

Update: Still HwInfo shows 16GB and all 4 sticks as 4GB (i.e. correctly).

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Just noticed that Windows states 14GB of installed RAM. I guess 2GB were stolen by gnomes or something...

Update: Still HwInfo shows 16GB and all 4 sticks as 4GB (i.e. correctly).
apparntly my gnomes from my old x58 build have migrated to you! possible igpu using 2 gb?
   
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Just noticed that Windows states 14GB of installed RAM. I guess 2GB were stolen by gnomes or something...

Update: Still HwInfo shows 16GB and all 4 sticks as 4GB (i.e. correctly).
It's hiding with the 0.5GB of your 970
   
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apparntly my gnomes from my old x58 build have migrated to you! possible igpu using 2 gb?
It`s like "There and never back again". Can`t blame them...

Are there CPUs with iGPU in IvyBridge-E line?


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It's hiding with the 0.5GB of your 970
I bet 0.5GB from 970 lured it to the bar! Rascal...

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Default 06-29-2017, 13:56 | posts: 1,347

I got 3750k/GTX970 and all seems ok, shows 16GB in memory section of task-manager>performance.

No IGP on E's

Are you using any kind of cache application, like Samsung magician> Rapid mode?

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I got 3750k/GTX970 and all seems ok, shows 16GB in memory section of task-manager>performance.

No IGP on E's

Are you using any kind of cache application, like Samsung magician> Rapid mode?
Have no SSDs.
In all places - about, old system info, task manager, resource monitor - 14GB is shown. I even launched RAMmap from SysInternals and it also stated 14GB (probably works through Win API).

It may be some feature of chipset/BIOS - like gap or shadowing of devices` ROMs - which is taken into account by this edition of Windows. I did not look at that info recently but am sure that it was 16GB back in Win7 and Win8+

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Have no SSDs.
In all places - about, old system info, task manager, resource monitor - 14GB is shown. I even launched RAMmap from SysInternals and it also stated 14GB (probably works through Win API).

It may be some feature of chipset/BIOS - like gap or shadowing of devices` ROMs - which is taken into account by this edition of Windows. I did not look at that info recently but am sure that it was 16GB back in Win7 and Win8+
That is odd, what version of Windows are you using?
   
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