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Default 03-09-2017, 05:58 | posts: 8,136 | Location: Netherlands

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The brain can be very convincing, panic attacks especially, and because of you're starting to freak out, heart rate going up, hyperventilating, then you do cause a physical effect, each fuelling the other, hands tingling, going dizzy etc, the trick is to keep reminding yourself there is nothing wrong with you physically and it will pass

Yea talking about stuff helps loads, even if no-one replies just putting it down on paper so to speak can do wonders too, gets it out of your head and somewhere you can organise it with words

I find 9/10 times if I get stuck with a PC issue I can't solve, I`ll make a thread here, and 5 seconds after hitting post I've solved it

Certain it's just the writing it down that does it, same thing with stuff you're going through

Maybe that's why girls keep diaries
I just had my first normal sleep, woke up and felt my heartrate going at a normal rate,
Took a oxazepam before i went to bed, it seemed to help alot after waking up.
Maybe side effects kicked in last night as i didn't took a oxazepam before going to bed.

I didn't felt heavy and slow, only my mouth a little like i'm on drugs lol.

Though i didn't sleep for very long, 5 hours at most but i didn't felt like staying in bed at all.
   
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I just had my first normal sleep, woke up and felt my heartrate going at a normal rate,
Took a oxazepam before i went to bed, it seemed to help alot after waking up.
Maybe side effects kicked in last night as i didn't took a oxazepam before going to bed.

I didn't felt heavy and slow, only my mouth a little like i'm on drugs lol.

Though i didn't sleep for very long, 5 hours at most but i didn't felt like staying in bed at all.
That's a good start though, there's plenty of times I wished I got a full 5 hours

And no panic feeling is the main thing, the sleep will sort itself out in time, once you know you can relax at night you'll probably find yourself sleeping better because you're not worrying about panicking any more

Schwarzenegger said 6 hours sleep was plenty, he hated wasting the day apparently so still had 18 hours to lift and work

My doctors told me (not sure if it was just to convince me) that more intelligent people require less sleep

Sounds a bit of a 'Yea right' thing now, but at the time it helped me relax and walk around with a big head for a while
   
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Schwarzenegger said 6 hours sleep was plenty, he hated wasting the day apparently so still had 18 hours to lift and work

My doctors told me (not sure if it was just to convince me) that more intelligent people require less sleep

Sounds a bit of a 'Yea right' thing now, but at the time it helped me relax and walk around with a big head for a while
I must be caveman stupid then lol.

My absolute minimum is 7 hours, I'm wrecked with anything less. My ideal is 8-9 hours. I slept way less before I started working out properly. In my good ol' WoW days of 2005-2010 I was like 130KG heavy, ate all **** you can imagine and barely slept more than 4-5 hours. I was a zombie, well, a fat zombie.

BTW signex, how is your caffeine tolerance? Did you try laying off caffeine for a while to see if it helps? I'm super intolerant to caffeine, both natural and in supplement form. I do get literal panic attacks whenever I drink a energy drink or a pre workout supplement with tons of caffeine. I almost fainted once in the gym from this, good thing it was just a tester and I didn't buy a whole bottle.
   
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BTW signex, how is your caffeine tolerance? Did you try laying off caffeine for a while to see if it helps? I'm super intolerant to caffeine, both natural and in supplement form. I do get literal panic attacks whenever I drink a energy drink or a pre workout supplement with tons of caffeine. I almost fainted once in the gym from this, good thing it was just a tester and I didn't buy a whole bottle.
One cup of coffee in the evening, and two in the morning nothing more.

I used to drink energy drinks during the weekends, 6 cans a week but never really did anything to me and sleeping was no issue even though it always took 45min to an hour before i fall asleep.

I'm not too concerned about how long i sleep, i felt fine the whole day.

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Had a weird episode again this morning, my heartbeat was slow again, felt like 50bpm maybe 2x following with a faster beat.

Reading about it only, it doesn't seem to do harm but feels scary nonetheless.

So it wasn't in my mind after all as i felt the slow beats in my ear i checked my polse and it was going very very slow.

Should i see the doctor right away?
   
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I must be caveman stupid then lol.

My absolute minimum is 7 hours, I'm wrecked with anything less. My ideal is 8-9 hours. I slept way less before I started working out properly. In my good ol' WoW days of 2005-2010 I was like 130KG heavy, ate all **** you can imagine and barely slept more than 4-5 hours. I was a zombie, well, a fat zombie.
lol, I feel OK after 6 hours only, as long as it was a full uninterrupted deep sleep, but I get tired much earlier than if I get 8~ hours, after an good 8 hours sleep I'm still wanting to party at 11pm, the gf telling me to shutup and stop doing little dances

Yea I went through a few years stage of pigging out and letting myself go, was 105kg~ eating takeouts and crap most days, no exercise, 7-8 biscuits with my morning coffee etc

Since I stopped all that and started walking and lifting I'm down to 90Kg and have exchanged fat for muscle, feel 100x better in myself and sleep a load better too
   
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Should i see the doctor right away?
No because you know it's all in your head

Stop checking your pulse, docs have already given your heart the all clear
   
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1st thing would be to get a job to take your mind off things.

Even looking for a job is likely to take your mind off things in the interim.
   
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You have a bike ?
I tend to overthink and depression kicks in like VTEC, so i can't sleep.
But when i ride my bike, my mind goes blank and i feel very relax and after riding 30-40KM trust me you sleep like a baby.

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No because you know it's all in your head

Stop checking your pulse, docs have already given your heart the all clear
That was before i got the new medicine, i did get all the symptoms of a heartrate that is to slow.

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That was before i got the new medicine, i did get all the symptoms of a heartrate that is to slow.

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Yea but you know you got panic attacks about your heart racing or slowing / dying etc anyway before this new medication

Sounds like your mental health condition is looking for things to constantly worry about your heart because of, a form of OCD or something similar maybe, hence the constant pulse checking

A habit you need to break somehow or you're gonna end up in a dark place where everything around you is going to kill you one way or another

Personally I'd be looking at what most here have suggested, drop the meds and start with the exercise, cut out the caffeine and fatty foods, eat healthy

No exercise, bad diet, caffeine at night & meds = not good

Meds won't fix a bad lifestyle

Sounds harsh but I was doing it to myself too, difficult to get out of but great once you do

50bpm isn't bad, my Dad is 59 and his heartrate is in the 50s too, healthy guy
   
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Yea but you know you got panic attacks about your heart racing or slowing / dying etc anyway before this new medication

Sounds like your mental health condition is looking for things to constantly worry about your heart because of, a form of OCD or something similar maybe, hence the constant pulse checking

A habit you need to break somehow or you're gonna end up in a dark place where everything around you is going to kill you one way or another

Personally I'd be looking at what most here have suggested, drop the meds and start with the exercise, cut out the caffeine and fatty foods, eat healthy

No exercise, bad diet, caffeine at night & meds = not good

Meds won't fix a bad lifestyle

Sounds harsh but I was doing it to myself too, difficult to get out of but great once you do

50bpm isn't bad, my Dad is 59 and his heartrate is in the 50s too, healthy guy
At least i made big progress, i was a complete disaster couple months ago and the meds helped big time.
I know i'm not keeping the meds, but this was kinda a emergency cause i didn't get any good sleep for days and it made me worse.

One time i slept fine for 2 weeks in my own bed, until it suddenly came back in full force.

You know i used to be a extremely healthy skinny f*ck lol, i was always outside playing as a kid and teenager.
I did soccer and went into the forest all the time to play with friends(playing soldiers with wooden guns)

Gaming is what made me like this, when i got my first PC in 1999 i was hooked lol.
Still went outside and play until 2004 when World of Warcraft came out, i quit soccer and skipping classes to go home and play WoW.

I never had the motivation to exercise, i didn't care for my look yea i'm thick but i'm not a whale or anything.
But now i got these issues, it made me realize i need to do something about it.
   
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At least i made big progress, i was a complete disaster couple months ago and the meds helped big time.
I know i'm not keeping the meds, but this was kinda a emergency cause i didn't get any good sleep for days and it made me worse.

One time i slept fine for 2 weeks in my own bed, until it suddenly came back in full force.

You know i used to be a extremely healthy skinny f*ck lol, i was always outside playing as a kid and teenager.
I did soccer and went into the forest all the time to play with friends(playing soldiers with wooden guns)

Gaming is what made me like this, when i got my first PC in 1999 i was hooked lol.
Still went outside and play until 2004 when World of Warcraft came out, i quit soccer and skipping classes to go home and play WoW.

I never had the motivation to exercise, i didn't care for my look yea i'm thick but i'm not a whale or anything.
But now i got these issues, it made me realize i need to do something about it.
I was the same, probably what has kept me alive tbh, I was constantly outside running about, riding my bike, in permanent cardio probably up to my mid 20s, then for whatever reason I stopped doing anything at all, sat about getting p1ssed and eating crap for ages, put on a load of beef and became a shell of my former outgoing self, went from needing to be around people 24/7 to not wanting to see anyone at all, or even go outside

Docs prescribed meds, tried all that crap for years without any improvements, but turns out it was my lifestyle, requires a mindset change, even if by force kicking and screaming at first until you accept it, until mental health improves as does physical fitness and things start dropping back into place, you start remembering who you really are under all that crap you've piled on over the years sitting about abusing your body and mind

The younger you is still there, just a case of breaking bad habits and starting good ones until he reappears


EDIT - This is my current progress over the past year, just walking and lifting on alternate days, nothing major

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Default 03-11-2017, 20:02 | posts: 8,136 | Location: Netherlands

I have a bike yea, but not a good one where i can sit on for a long period of time.

I'm even scared to use it to go anywhere, i do go to my doctor with the bike but it's merely a 1km ride.
Even after a short ride, my heart goes nuts and beating through my chest.

Last night it went bad again, after 45min of sleeping i suddenly woke up and my heart was beating through my chest.
I called a doctor last night about my feeling that my heart goes really slow and they said not to take metroprolol before i go to bed but that triggered this i'm sure cause a other doctor last year prescribed me metroprolol cause of this.

I guess i have to deal with the slow heart rate feeling, rather then waking up middle of the night with a panic attack.
Could very well be in my head i don't know, after i slept in the morning till afternoon my heart was also slow/normal rate but i didn't felt slow or heavy.

I really don't know if i get any better, it really feels that way.
Had such good night sleeps the 2 days before and now it's falling apart again.
   
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Cycling is the best thing that happen in my life, thanks to that i lost 35KG ... from 100KG to 65KG, keep in mind i'm 1.71M tall. I was a fu***ing Gas bottle
If you feel that your heart rate is too high or you find it hard to breathe when you are riding. Probably you are Breathing wrong !.
You have to do deep "belly breathing" like a baby every 4s o 5s, that is the best way to improve your performance, also "belly breathing" helps you to relax (google it).
If you aren't used to ride long distances just keep the rhythm slow (not sure if the correct word) util you get used.

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Cycling is the best thing that happen in my life, thanks to that i lost 35KG ... from 100KG to 65KG, keep in mind i'm 1.71M tall. I was a fu***ing Gas bottle
If you feel that your heart rate is too high or you find it hard to breathe when you are riding. Probably you are Breathing wrong !.
You have to do deep "belly breathing" like a baby every 4s o 5s, that is the best way to improve your performance, also "belly breathing" helps you to relax (google it).
If you aren't used to ride long distances just keep the rhythm slow (not sure if the correct word) util you get used.
I used to ride all the time 6-7km back and forth 4 times a week to work last year.
For some reason i didn't lose weight much, maybe 10kg cause i used to weigh 118kg and i'm 106kg now.

Maybe it was the energy drinks and pizza's i take for time to time but i've quit that for few months now.

I know of the belly breathing, i do that when i feel my heart is raising does work most of the time.
But sometimes my heart rate won't go down, then i have to take the metroprolol to keep it calm.(It also makes the heart not needing too much oxygen so breathing gets easier as well.)

After my last episode, i quit walking cause depression is taking over again, it's like i'm in a endless cycle.
   
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That's incredible, yea the motivation just lacks cause of how bad i am in shape.
Even short walks makes my heart unconformable and then i panic and walk back.
   
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That's incredible, yea the motivation just lacks cause of how bad i am in shape.
Even short walks makes my heart unconformable and then i panic and walk back.

If you're badly out of shape then your heart is going to race when you first start exercising, same with riding your bike, perfectly normal and not dangerous at all, the fitter you get the less your heart will race or need to work as hard

At 100kg+ I was out of breath walking up the stairs some days, now I'm walking miles and miles and totally fine

Catch 22 by not continuing with exercise because your heart races, the less you do > the more unfit you get > the harder your heart has to work

Battle through the uncomfortable feeling for a few weeks, it'll settle down, go for regular checkups and tell the doc the exercise you're doing, make a diary of your heart rate before and after exercise, let the doc check your results and they'll let you know if it's anything to worry about or just normal heart rate
   
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If you're badly out of shape then your heart is going to race when you first start exercising, same with riding your bike, perfectly normal and not dangerous at all, the fitter you get the less your heart will race or need to work as hard

At 100kg+ I was out of breath walking up the stairs some days, now I'm walking miles and miles and totally fine

Catch 22 by not continuing with exercise because your heart races, the less you do > the more unfit you get > the harder your heart has to work

Battle through the uncomfortable feeling for a few weeks, it'll settle down, go for regular checkups and tell the doc the exercise you;re doing, make a diary of your heart rate before and after exercise, let the doc check your results and they'll let you know if it's anything to worry about or just normal heart rate
Yea i need to get a watch that keeps track of my heart rate during walks.

I'll try to do my best and continue to walk everyday.
   
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Yea i need to get a watch that keeps track of my heart rate during walks.

I'll try to do my best and continue to walk everyday.
Honestly, a couple miles a day and look after your diet and you'll start seeing results within weeks

The human body wants to be a certain size that it can maintain without a fight, the only way to change that size is to force it, either by overeating and not exercising, or by lifting things too heavy for it and eating a lot, forcing it to adapt

If you live a normal healthy life it will settle itself into a size it is happy to maintain without a struggle

In other words, if you start eating right, and having a normal amount of exercise, your body will do the rest itself

Obviously it takes longer to lose weight than to gain it, but forget about that, it's one of those "Look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves" sort of things

Just stick to your diet and exercise and let your body do the rest itself
   
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Honestly, a couple miles a day and look after your diet and you'll start seeing results within weeks

The human body wants to be a certain size that it can maintain without a fight, the only way to change that size is to force it, either by overeating and not exercising, or by lifting things too heavy for it and eating a lot, forcing it to adapt

If you live a normal healthy life it will settle itself into a size it is happy to maintain without a struggle

In other words, if you start eating right, and having a normal amount of exercise, your body will do the rest itself

Obviously it takes longer to lose weight than to gain it, but forget about that, it's one of those "Look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves" sort of things

Just stick to your diet and exercise and let your body do the rest itself
Well today was weird, i slept good but again 5 hours of sleep i guess it's the new meds.
I'm taking less metroprolol as well, only when my heart rate raises and only half.

My heart rate was normal throughout the whole day, even while walking, i did feel it on my chest but at a normal pace like 60-70bpm and this was the first time in months that it didn't go nuts.

One time it pounded hard, through my chest up to my head it felt very weird but it's probably nothing.
Happened when i stood up from my chair.

Glad i went for a walk today, felt good too.
   
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Good good

Standing up can often do that as your blood pressure suddenly drops so your heart has to compensate, same as bending down to pick something up off the floor and quickly standing back up, feel like you're gonna pass out for a few seconds

Yea it does make you feel better in yourself knowing you've done something healthy and good for you that day, eventually it gets to the point that you feel bad and guilty if you don't do at least one healthy thing each day, I hate it if I have a day without doing something now
   
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Good good

Standing up can often do that as your blood pressure suddenly drops so your heart has to compensate, same as bending down to pick something up off the floor and quickly standing back up, feel like you're gonna pass out for a few seconds

Yea it does make you feel better in yourself knowing you've done something healthy and good for you that day, eventually it gets to the point that you feel bad and guilty if you don't do at least one healthy thing each day, I hate it if I have a day without doing something now
My heart seems to be improving big time last couple of days, i don't feel my heart through my chest during the day when i walk.

I slept 8-9 hours the last 3 days, i woke up early today but that was probably cause i had to pee so badly lol but i fell asleep again within minutes.

Also walking 2 times a day now, if i keep this up i'll be in better shape in no time.
Then i have to find best way to lose weight.
   
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My heart seems to be improving big time last couple of days, i don't feel my heart through my chest during the day when i walk.

I slept 8-9 hours the last 3 days, i woke up early today but that was probably cause i had to pee so badly lol but i fell asleep again within minutes.

Also walking 2 times a day now, if i keep this up i'll be in better shape in no time.
Then i have to find best way to lose weight.
Walking twice a day for say 30-60 mins will lose you plenty of weight if you have your diet in check

Sounds like things are taking a turn for the better though, stay positive, and without a doubt the more walking and weight losing you do, the better in yourself you're gonna feel every day too, and I'd put a bet on your heart worries disappearing once you're getting back in shape and not flooding your body with unhealthy junk food
   
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Walking twice a day for say 30-60 mins will lose you plenty of weight if you have your diet in check

Sounds like things are taking a turn for the better though, stay positive, and without a doubt the more walking and weight losing you do, the better in yourself you're gonna feel every day too, and I'd put a bet on your heart worries disappearing once you're getting back in shape and not flooding your body with unhealthy junk food
My diet isn't getting better though, still eating chips for time to time, small bags though.

We eat fried food once a week on sunday, mostly it's just vegetables or pasta and a pizza from time to time, maybe once a month.

I feel like a different person now, maybe the meds are working already i don't know it did start after a week using citalopram.
I'm taking 10mg now instead of 5mg and i don't have any side effects so i'm really glad about that.

Have an appointment next week with my doctor and see if he ups the doses or not.
Cause i heard you need to build it up, 10>20>40mg.
   
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