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I played it for 30 seconds and could feel myself going into a daydream state so turned it off

Might try this tonight, although I'm sleeping OK atm
You're right, the pills i got are Citalopram, do you know it?

Side effects seem doable though, can always take a paracetamol if i get headaches.
   
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You're right, the pills i got are Citalopram, do you know it?

Side effects seem doable though, can always take a paracetamol if i get headaches.
Yea I was prescribed it years ago for suspected depression too, but I never stayed on antidepressants long, they all zombie'fy me, I lose my personality completely and turn into a boring veg who wants to do even less, no interest in anything at all on stuff like that

Docs are too quick to prescribe it too IMO, one quick 5 min talk and you walk away with antidepressant prescription, no real checks on what else could be the issue
   
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Yea I was prescribed it years ago for suspected depression too, but I never stayed on antidepressants long, they all zombie'fy me, I lose my personality completely and turn into a boring veg who wants to do even less, no interest in anything at all on stuff like that

Docs are too quick to prescribe it too IMO, one quick 5 min talk and you walk away with antidepressant prescription, no real checks on what else could be the issue
True, but he did warn me about oxazepam though.

I just read some stuff online, it does have pretty bad side effects, oh god i hope i make the night lol.
Thankfully i got a new batch of oxazepam, if it does get worse i still have that to calm me down.

I do feel like i'm getting better, if the side effects are worse i'll just continue a little longer with oxazepam.
Even 5mg still works, i use that when i get a little bit anxious during the day.
I'll let you know how it goes.

They do say they will work great after 4-6 weeks depending on the person. (takes longer for older people)
Hope i get lucky and don't get these horrible side effects for too long.

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True, but he did warn me about oxazepam though.

I just read some stuff online, it does have pretty bad side effects, oh god i hope i make the night lol.
Thankfully i got a new batch of oxazepam, if it does get worse i still have that to calm me down.

I'll let you know how it goes.

They do say they will work great after 4-6 weeks depending on the person. (takes longer for older people)
Hope i get lucky and don't get these horrible side effects for too long.

Yea most ADs take a few weeks to get into your system properly and start working, I don't read side effects before taking medication otherwise suddenly I have all of them

I just start taking them and if I feel anything strange then I know it's real

Worst sides I got from ADs were weird electric shocks through my eyes neck and back when I moved my head or eyes to look around

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Yea most ADs take a few weeks to get into your system properly and start working, I don't read side effects before taking medication otherwise suddenly I have all of them

I just start taking them and if I feel anything strange then I know it's real
It doesn't say on the paper i got with the medicine i get these side effects, maybe it's VERY rare to get them that they didn't find it worth mentioning i don't know.

If it gets worse i'll just quit and talk to my doctor again, and see what else there is.

I could try my mom's medicine, they seemed to work after a week she told me.
She only had these side effects for a few days, burning sensation.
She took oxazepam to get rid of the side effects so that's good.
   
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It doesn't say on the paper i got with the medicine i get these side effects, maybe it's VERY rare to get them that they didn't find it worth mentioning i don't know.

If it gets worse i'll just quit and talk to my doctor again, and see what else there is.

I could try my mom's medicine, they seemed to work after a week she told me.
She only had these side effects for a few days, burning sensation.
She took oxazepam to get rid of the side effects so that's good.
You'll generally get rare sides listed, but that doesn't mean you won't get something not listed, everyone reacts differently, but yea sides can go away once your body becomes used to the meds too, depends how long you want to put up with them and how bad they are

I wouldn't advise taking other peoples meds, maybe mention to the doc you tried that type of medication from a 'friend' and it worked, and could they try you on that

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You'll generally get rare sides listed, but that doesn't mean you won't get something not listed, everyone reacts differently, but yea sides can go away once your body becomes used to the meds too, depends how long you want to put up with them and how bad they are

I wouldn't advise taking other peoples meds, maybe mention to the doc you tried that type of medication from a 'friend' and it worked, and could they try you on that

(Sent you a PM btw)
I won't take them from my mom, i'll try these first and see how it goes.

If i do get these side effects, i hope oxazepam helps if not i will make an appointment right away and tell him about the meds my mom uses and hear what he has to say about them.

My mom just told me, she only had side effects for couple of days, they were pretty bad though but oxazepam worked completely and got rid of the side effects.
   
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Default 03-07-2017, 20:04 | posts: 8,635 | Location: UK

I think exercise is key to battling depression + sleep issues.

Been there myself. Good luck!

p.s be carefull with drink! When you are on citalopram drink can really hit you harder than you think...can make you a bit loopy.
   
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I won't take them from my mom, i'll try these first and see how it goes.

If i do get these side effects, i hope oxazepam helps if not i will make an appointment right away and tell him about the meds my mom uses and hear what he has to say about them.

My mom just told me, she only had side effects for couple of days, they were pretty bad though but oxazepam worked completely and got rid of the side effects.
You'll eventually find something that works and agrees with you no doubt, or close enough, but unfortunately with meds like ADs, you are a guinea pig for a few months / year until that happens, as it takes weeks for them to start working, you need to test each one for at minimum 4-6 weeks each before deciding if it's going to work for you or not, if not, there's another 4-6 on the next, and sometimes you need to allow time for the last one to leave your system etc

Long process unless you get lucky with the first meds but battle through it and no doubt things will start looking better within the year
   
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Yea most ADs take a few weeks to get into your system properly and start working, I don't read side effects before taking medication otherwise suddenly I have all of them

I just start taking them and if I feel anything strange then I know it's real

Worst sides I got from ADs were weird electric shocks through my eyes neck and back when I moved my head or eyes to look around
Just took 5mg of tho's new pills, 15-20min ago, so far so good.

Only feel a little heavy, and sweaty feet and hands but nothing i can complain about.
   
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I gotta say i was once in same place, and this year something worse than depression hit me, well still is but it's another story...

I was 97kg in last October and now i'm 78kg and getting fitter with each days that passes, what i highly suggest u to do, is FORCE yourself to start working out, even by just going for fast walks for about one hour and half.

That alone could provide you a great, healthy exercise while u can meditate and keep thinking about important other stuff, while your mood is changing for better.

Once I forced myself to do so i became another person totally, depression ****s up with the mind hard, working out and keep moving, being positively busy is the medicine to kill it
   
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Just took 5mg of tho's new pills, 15-20min ago, so far so good.

Only feel a little heavy, and sweaty feet and hands but nothing i can complain about.
Not bad sides at all as far as they go, fingers crossed your system is happy with them and they work

Agree with the above few posts though, exercise really does make a huge difference, I would never have believed it when I was at my lowest, I just wanted meds to fix me, but I was the problem, I fixed me instead lol
   
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You're right, the pills i got are Citalopram, do you know it?

Side effects seem doable though, can always take a paracetamol if i get headaches.
Have a prescription for Escitalopram myself (apparently an "improved" version of Citalopram).

Have never had any side effects as long as I don't forget to take the meds (this will usually create some side effects like dizziness).

The thing with citalopram is it doesn't actually alter your "brain chemistry" but it works as an inhibitor for serotonine reduction (read up on SSRI for more info).
Thus it raises your serotonine level which usually helps with depression and/or anxiety attacks.

In other words it's a relatively safe AD compared to some "heavier" stuff.

And yeah paracetamol as painkillers unless you get some sort of blood-clotting test done to allow you to use stuff like ibuprofein or aspirin.

Citalopram combined with painkillers which dilute blood may cause some form of blood clotting failure meaning if you get a wound blood doesn't clot properly.

PS: while it doesn't say so in the information booklet, use as little alcohol during the medication as possible.

Alcohol decreases your serotonine level again plus using any nervous system affecting chemical with anti-depressants is never beneficial.

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Default 03-08-2017, 02:32 | posts: 3,084 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Maryland, Dundalk

Alright this is just my views on the topic, so if you don't agree with what i said , ignore it. Just to be clear, i don't believe in "depression", that's scientist / doctors type of stuff/teaching, something i also don't believe in. I read and follow the bible, so you should have some sort of understanding on what i am saying and believe in. So on that note, what doctors called depression is really no more than a feeling from a certain mood. Sadness, being sad, pain, suffering, we all get that way sometimes. And i think taking pills, makes it worse. You don't need to take a pill to make you feel better, there are other safer ways, quicker ways. I know of people who have committed suicide from taking pills, it actually makes things much worse on the person.

Now reading what the OP said, it sounds like you have what i have, worrying too much, "Anxiety attacks " or panic attacks. I get them often, a few months ago it got so bad before i left my house i had to sit down in a corner because i felt so frightened or something of going outside. or idk maybe i was just worrying too much which i tend to do about certain people that i help and care about. So i just pray and pray about it and eventually it goes away.

It started badly when i lost 2 of my friends from drugs just last year, i did go to the doctor which i hardly never do, but thought i would go to check on my heart, he said everything was fine, but he did mention that I'm hyper, meaning my heart races when im talking too much and i need to stop worrying so much. So my advice, pray about it, but also find the root of the problem and find a way around it. When i feel sad, honestly i just called my kittens to the bed and they jump around and i feel better already lol. But people cope with sadness in different ways, but don't let it overtake you, it will destroy you, that is what Satan loves to do, he loves to prey on people who are at their weakest.

Play some games, listen to music, go to the movies, go out and meet some women, go to the park with your dog, watch some thunderstorms, travels , the world is beautiful, there's always something to do. Be careful about those meds though, they could be making you feel worse.
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The problem i'm having lately is that i worry about my heartrate too much, had a panic attack just now after i woke up.

My heartrate felt incredibly slow and i felt very tired and slow like my heart was about to stop and i was dying, so i got right out of bed and my heart started pounding fast.

I've calmed down now luckily, maybe it was nothing but it felt incredibly real that my heart was going too slow wich made me feel the way i felt.

Sucks to hear you lost 2 friends, could never imagine how that must feel.
I've lost a friend in middle school of a brain tumor, died way too young.
   
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Is there something else triggering the panic attacks, sounds like you're worried about something else too.

You should try getting an exercise bike, do about 15mins for a week or so and build from there.
   
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The problem i'm having lately is that i worry about my heart-rate too much, had a panic attack just now after i woke up.
Yea i had that same issue, stop worrying about your heart, there's probably nothing wrong with it. It basically sounds like you are worrying too much about something or a few things and you need to get out and enjoy your life. Being stuck in the house all the time is not good. Your issue which you just mention sounds exactly what i went through about 2 years ago. It went away quick just buy getting outside more and stop worrying about well basically the world lol

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My heart-rate felt incredibly slow and i felt very tired and slow like my heart was about to stop and i was dying, so i got right out of bed and my heart started pounding fast.
Sounds like you're out of shape( not fat ), and you need to get outside more. Your vitamin D could be extremely low as well, get outside and get some fresh air, sun helps.

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I've calmed down now luckily, maybe it was nothing but it felt incredibly real that my heart was going too slow which made me feel the way i felt.
After reading this, let me share something. Um about 2 years ago, i was worrying about someone i was helping trying to get clean from drugs, also i wasn't getting enough sleep, staying up way past 20 hours sometimes, plus i was worrying too much, stressed out, one day i went to sleep and woke up about 7pm, down the street a neighbor we all now a 19 old kid died, i even heard his mother screaming. Can you imagine waking up to that, under all the stress i was having? Soon as i got of bed, my heart was racing and i felt scared, i was having a serious panic attack. It went away about 2 days later after praying and not being frightened about anything.

It pretty much sounds like you need to find something to do fun in your life, something to keep you entertain, get way more fresh air, more sleep, more sun, play some fun games, and just enjoy life.

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Sucks to hear you lost 2 friends, could never imagine how that must feel.
I've lost a friend in middle school of a brain tumor, died way too young.
Well i just felt regret, but my faith helps me with that so i have an understanding about it. sorry about your fried also.
   
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Is there something else triggering the panic attacks, sounds like you're worried about something else too.

You should try getting an exercise bike, do about 15mins for a week or so and build from there.
Yup, worrying can cause alot of problems. Once he stops worrying about all the stuff he is worrying about , he should be alright.
   
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Default 03-08-2017, 17:49 | posts: 8,150 | Location: Netherlands

I'm worried about my heart and my condition, cause it's pretty bad but i never was depressed about my bad condition.
I would be out of breath by just taking the stairs up.

I will be doing small walks in front of my house with the dog for about 10-15min a day for 2 weeks or longer depends if my health improves.

Used to worry about my financial state, but that's being resolved so i should have money next month.

I actually didn't wanted to take the medicine, alot of people seem happy with them after a few weeks.
Even my mom takes similar medicine and she never had any issues with them for years.

But i hope to live on without pills when i'm completely fine and stop worrying about this stuff.
   
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Do you actually have a heart condition that has been diagnosed? Thought you had it checked and it was fine?
   
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Do you actually have a heart condition that has been diagnosed? Thought you had it checked and it was fine?
Yes it is fine, the thing is, i keep panicking when i feel my heart rate going fast and makes me dizzy/heavy and i get a very scary feeling through my body. (probably the panic attack taking over)
   
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Yes it is fine, the thing is, i keep panicking when i feel my heart rate going fast and makes me dizzy/heavy and i get a very scary feeling through my body. (probably the panic attack taking over)
Yea that's exactly what it is, and when the panic attack starts your heart rate jumps up because you get an adrenaline rush from the scare of the panic attack

That's why it's important to control them the second they start, allow that initial shock feeling and immediately start controlling your breathing, your heart will race for a few seconds, you might get a hot flush and that dizzy feeling, but stick with the breathing and within 10 seconds you're back in control

Just keep reminding yourself it's psychological not physical no matter what you think you can feel in your chest

After a while it becomes second nature to take back control and you don't really think about it, they get shorter and shorter until it's not much more than a deep breath
   
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Yea that's exactly what it is, and when the panic attack starts your heart rate jumps up because you get an adrenaline rush from the scare of the panic attack

That's why it's important to control them the second they start, allow that initial shock feeling and immediately start controlling your breathing, your heart will race for a few seconds, you might get a hot flush and that dizzy feeling, but stick with the breathing and within 10 seconds you're back in control

Just keep reminding yourself it's psychological not physical no matter what you think you can feel in your chest

After a while it becomes second nature to take back control and you don't really think about it, they get shorter and shorter until it's not much more than a deep breath
That's what i'm doing yea when i lay in bed and if it gets out of control i'll just sit down and do the breathing technique.
Sometimes i do it wrong cause i'm in panic.

And thank you for replying all the time, it also makes me feel at ease to know that nothing is wrong with me.
Talking about it even with a stranger feels nice.

What i felt this morning was pretty scary, very scary, i have no idea if the new medicine did it but probably.
Having the feeling you're slowly dying and your heart rate is slowly going to a stop, that really made me scared to death.

It keeps me thinking that this isn't just in my head and something is wrong with me while there isn't.
   
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Also again, probably need to get out the house more as well and just say busy and let the sun shine on you. Chilled back fix yourself a nice sandwich and watch some cooking shows, always keeps me entertain lol . and find yourself a nice woman to hang out with. I'm married, my wife is by my side all the time. Married 9 years, friends for 13 years.

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Default 03-08-2017, 19:56 | posts: 17,576 | Location: 127.0.0.1

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Originally Posted by signex View Post
That's what i'm doing yea when i lay in bed and if it gets out of control i'll just sit down and do the breathing technique.
Sometimes i do it wrong cause i'm in panic.

And thank you for replying all the time, it also makes me feel at ease to know that nothing is wrong with me.
Talking about it even with a stranger feels nice.

What i felt this morning was pretty scary, very scary, i have no idea if the new medicine did it but probably.
Having the feeling you're slowly dying and your heart rate is slowly going to a stop, that really made me scared to death.

It keeps me thinking that this isn't just in my head and something is wrong with me while there isn't.

The brain can be very convincing, panic attacks especially, and because of you're starting to freak out, heart rate going up, hyperventilating, then you do cause a physical effect, each fuelling the other, hands tingling, going dizzy etc, the trick is to keep reminding yourself there is nothing wrong with you physically and it will pass

Yea talking about stuff helps loads, even if no-one replies just putting it down on paper so to speak can do wonders too, gets it out of your head and somewhere you can organise it with words

I find 9/10 times if I get stuck with a PC issue I can't solve, I`ll make a thread here, and 5 seconds after hitting post I've solved it

Certain it's just the writing it down that does it, same thing with stuff you're going through

Maybe that's why girls keep diaries
   
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