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Default Video card suggestion for WoW @1080P (ultra) - 02-24-2017, 23:36 | posts: 26 | Location: NJ

First off, I'm not sure if this post is in the right section, so I apologise if it needs to be moved/deleted/reposted, etc.

That being said...

OK, so I need to upgrade my video card, and I basically have only one game that I play with any frequency, and that's (sadly) WoW. I don't see myself playing anything else in the near future, so my main concern is to get this game running at 1080P, with as close to the highest details possible.

Eventually I might upgrade to 1440, but that's at least a year off.

Right now I'm considering an RX 480, a 3GB 1060, and a 6GB 1060 which is probably overkill but would do better with the 1440.

I have the chance to get an MSI Armor OC RX 480 4GB for $170, a Gigabyte G1 RX 480 8GB for $180, an MSI GamerX 1060 3GB for about $180, or a Zotac Amp! 1060 6GB for about $225

My priorities are:

- As quiet as possible
- Keeping framerates/effects up during raids in WoW
- As cheap as I can get away with
- As reliable as possible, since I keep my cards for a while.

My last 2 cards were an 8800GT, and a GTX 570, so that gives you an idea of how often I upgrade.

For full disclosure, I'm running a 3570K @4Ghz, a 650w EVGA G2 PSU and 16GB of ram. So you know if I'll be bottlenecked or not (I don't believe I will)

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Default 02-24-2017, 23:58 | posts: 10,044

WoW is more CPU dependent. If you're struggling to maintain high FPS in raid environments with high details, you're not going to see a massive improvement even with a newer GPU. Try clocking your CPU a little higher and see if there's any improvement, that CPU should be able to hit 4.4-4.6 easily.

As far as the difference a GPU does make in the game, most Blizzard games tend to prefer Nv hardware. That said, at the level of GPU you're looking at it's not going to matter much either way.

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Default 02-25-2017, 00:12 | posts: 26 | Location: NJ

I definitely agree it's a bit low on the OC, I did it mainly to keep temps down and the noise low. I'll bump the voltage to 1.25 and see what I can do.

That being said, while the game is definitely CPU intensive, the latest expansion put a lot more stress on the video card as well.
   
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Default 02-25-2017, 00:22 | posts: 9,667 | Location: Serbia, NS

Generally, nvidia cards tend to perform better in Blizzard games. If you dont see yourself playing anything else 1060 is the the way to go.

As for CPU, 3570k 4.5ghz is more than enough even for a such a CPU heavy game.
   
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Default 02-25-2017, 00:27 | posts: 2,433 | Location: Munich

heard wow runs better on nvidia, and as it is dx11 and cpu intensive you don't wanna have that driver overhead.

the i5 is ok, don't overdue shadows and draw distance and take particle effects to a low. also clutter, put that down too.
   
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Default 02-25-2017, 00:41 | posts: 10,044

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I definitely agree it's a bit low on the OC, I did it mainly to keep temps down and the noise low. I'll bump the voltage to 1.25 and see what I can do.

That being said, while the game is definitely CPU intensive, the latest expansion put a lot more stress on the video card as well.
The 3gb 1060 would be more than ample for your needs in honesty, if you do notice a decent difference from cranking the CPU up a little you could always spend the savings on a better HSF so you don't have to deal with noise.
   
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Default 02-25-2017, 00:50 | posts: 19,942 | Location: US East Coast

GTX1060 6GB should manage 1080p@Ultra... I'd be surprised if a 3GB 1060 could though.

Ideally...an i7 at 4.5ghz or higher is best for running WoW on Ultra.... I've considered picking up a 1 month sub card to see if my system can still do it. I know my 2600K@4.5ghz with HT enabled and a GTX970 struggled a bit in raids on Ultra. Higher details are not always best in raids.

WoW is not quite as CPU dependent as it used to be. Blizzard has improved on that quite a bit over the years. It is still more CPU dependent than it should be though.



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Default 02-25-2017, 00:53 | posts: 2,433 | Location: Munich

^why would wow put more than 3gb on the vram in 1080p? that's unrealistic...
   
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Default 02-25-2017, 03:49 | posts: 26 | Location: NJ

Right now the difference between the 3gb (MSI Gamer X) and Zotac 6GB Amp! is $175 vs $225. I was thinking about going for the 6gb simply for when I (eventually) swap to 1440.
   
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Default 02-25-2017, 04:13 | posts: 9,493 | Location: USA

6GB would be perfect for 1440P, 3gb can be cutting it pretty close in many games.
   
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Default 02-25-2017, 05:55 | posts: 2,433 | Location: Munich

it depends on what games you wanna play, even on 1440p I don't think I had issues with vram and 980 sli, nowhere near 3gb vram usage. 1060 isn't a good 1440p card, you will drop below 60 often especially in the future.

You might end up spending 30% more for 6 gb and then you might end up being disapointed with fps and your new monitor...

as cheap as you can get away with would be still 3 gb
   
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Default 02-25-2017, 06:00 | posts: 26 | Location: NJ

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it depends on what games you wanna play
World of Warcraft. That's it. It's the only game I've bothered playing in years, aside from the very seldom/occasional Diablo 3 or Heroes of the Storm.

MAYBE once in a blue moon I'll play a Dragon Age type game, but it's so rare I'd never base a purchase around it.
   
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Default 02-25-2017, 06:19 | posts: 2,433 | Location: Munich

I don't see wow using more than 3GB even in 1440p, don't have a sub now can't go and check, you still have a refund if you use afterbruner and see that vram is at a limit, buy cheap, check and return if in doubt... check fps and vram usage , or simply throw in extra 50 bucks but I don't think they will do you any good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB-i2a9AqTQ

max vram usage 2.5GB it's in the mem row the 2nd number. with amd FX, average usage under 2GB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYS85FLxT5g

skylake i7 vram usage never above 1.5GB as far as I watched.

keep in mind that there is a render scale option of 200% and ssaa options, don't know if those were already used.

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Default 02-25-2017, 06:52 | posts: 26 | Location: NJ

Geryboy, that first video sums it up pretty nicely for me. 1080P, every setting at max (including 4x SSAA and 200% render scale), and despite it being in spanish, showed him in a raid with his settings at max.

Like you said, max was about 2.5GB, average was under 2. That being said, if I ever want to do 1440...

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Default 02-25-2017, 17:27 | posts: 2,433 | Location: Munich

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Geryboy, that first video sums it up pretty nicely for me. 1080P, every setting at max (including 4x SSAA and 200% render scale), and despite it being in spanish, showed him in a raid with his settings at max.

Like you said, max was about 2.5GB, average was under 2. That being said, if I ever want to do 1440...
it's up to you, difference is about 50 bucks like you said, you could always disable ssaa, at the end of the day ssaa renders a higher resolution, I think in 1080p it might be 4k?

1440p doesn't need as much aa but if you're still in doubt just go with 6gb.
   
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Default 02-25-2017, 19:14 | posts: 26 | Location: NJ

Yeah, for sure. Plus the 200% UI render, which renders it at 4K and then downscales it to 1080P. Seems superfluous to me.

Can anyone comment on the Zotac Amp! 6gb 1060? I can get it for about $225, but hearing reports the build quality and heat leave a lot to be desired.

On the other hand I can pick up a Gigabyte G1 RX480 8GB for $180, then sell the copy of Doom that comes with it.
   
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Default 02-25-2017, 19:23 | posts: 10,044

Given the price difference I think I'd go for the 480 in all honesty, sure the 1060 will perform better in Blizzard games, but with the level of GPU you're looking at it isn't going to be realistically noticeable.
   
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Default 02-25-2017, 19:23 | posts: 9,667 | Location: Serbia, NS

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On the other hand I can pick up a Gigabyte G1 RX480 8GB for $180, then sell the copy of Doom that comes with it.
Buying a 1060 3gb instead of rx480 8gb for the same price is just silly. I know WoW runs better on nvidia bla,bla... but that should be recommended by no one.

Even for WoW that card should be more than sufficient and one day know hows, you'll end up playing something else with a much better card.
   
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Default 02-25-2017, 20:32 | posts: 2,433 | Location: Munich

the 480x will perform worse in wow up to 20% google it .
   
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Default 02-27-2017, 18:50 | posts: 26 | Location: NJ

OK, so this is what I have available to me right now:

Powercolor Red Devil 8GB for $210 locally

MSI Armor OC 8GB for $210 shipped (with a $30 rebate I doubt will ever ship out)

MSI Gamer X 8GB for $230 shipped. (with a $20 rebate I doubt will ever ship out)

I can also do a Sapphire 8GB Nitro for $200 locally, but I heard those were loud and ran hot.


I can also do a 6GB Gamer X 1060 for $245 shipped.

Any thoughts? (Yes, I know I'm overthinking this)
   
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Default 02-27-2017, 18:58 | posts: 797 | Location: UK

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OK, so this is what I have available to me right now:

Powercolor Red Devil 8GB for $210 locally

MSI Armor OC 8GB for $210 shipped (with a $30 rebate I doubt will ever ship out)

MSI Gamer X 8GB for $230 shipped. (with a $20 rebate I doubt will ever ship out)

I can also do a Sapphire 8GB Nitro for $200 locally, but I heard those were loud and ran hot.


I can also do a 6GB Gamer X 1060 for $245 shipped.

Any thoughts? (Yes, I know I'm overthinking this)
As far as I know the XFX GTR and the Sapphire Nitro are the best cards to go for, are there any XFX cards available?
   
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Default 02-27-2017, 19:32 | posts: 26 | Location: NJ

This XFX can be had for about $225 -

www xfxforce com/en-us/products/amd-radeon-rx-400-series/rx-480-gtr-8gb-dd-led-rx-480p8dfa6 (I can't post links)

Again, cool & quiet are my main goals.
   
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Default 02-27-2017, 20:03 | posts: 9,493 | Location: USA

The gamer X 6gb will be the quietest/coolest of those listed.
RX480 uses close to 40% more power than the 1060, not that in itself matters but added power consumption means more heat and noise.
Gamer x of the 480s would likely be the best.

Up to you what you want to spend.
They are similar enough that it won't really matter but WoW being CPU bound, 1060 will be a bit better in those situations by 10-20% due to driver overhead.
   
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Default 02-27-2017, 20:25 | posts: 1,802 | Location: Upstate NY

I also play WoW a lot but not exclusively. With a good CPU, the RX 470 4 GB would fit the bill. I can't run ultra with my CPU but I'm sure I could with an i7 or high end i5. I'm also sure the Ryzen 6 and 8 core chips will be sufficient.

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Default 02-27-2017, 20:27 | posts: 26 | Location: NJ

A - I'm not changing my CPU (which would also require a new MB and ram)

B - The difference between the 4GB 470 and 8GB 480 is about $20. I'll spend the extra to futureproof myself a bit.
   
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