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Default 01-31-2017, 12:03 | posts: 676 | Location: United Kingdom

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780 isnt faster than 280X this days. In RE7 Tahiti is even faster than a GK110.
I was talking about driver, whether he will see that 10 fps boost in AC:U by switching to fx6300 with 280x for example. Also, that fx is sometimes worse than his current cpu in that vid.
   
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Default 01-31-2017, 12:17 | posts: 1,148 | Location: Moscow, Russia

Found this...





   
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Default 01-31-2017, 14:49 | posts: 6,821

I love how people take still seriously sites posting the "minimum" framerate, as if it means something.

Apart from that, that only solidifies that you should get the 1050Ti.
   
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Default 01-31-2017, 17:21 | posts: 9,475 | Location: USA

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I love how people take still seriously sites posting the "minimum" framerate, as if it means something.

Apart from that, that only solidifies that you should get the 1050Ti.
It does mean something..

You rather them post the maximum FPS? lol
   
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Default 01-31-2017, 17:51 | posts: 6,821

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It does mean something..

You rather them post the maximum FPS? lol
It means absolutely nothing. You need variance and 99th percentile numbers to really get smoothness and where the thing fluctuates.
   
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Default 02-01-2017, 01:49 | posts: 4,221 | Location: Beech Island SC,USA

7970 or 1050ti is a very tough choice indeed!...
   
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It means absolutely nothing. You need variance and 99th percentile numbers to really get smoothness and where the thing fluctuates.
That's what's important.

Didn't even look at the video though so percentile is important.
   
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Found this...




Yup i have seen this one some time ago
My R280X went to my Bratan' ->
He Plays: Diablo III, WoT, WoWarships, BF3, Victor Vran, Race07 + Mods and New DOOM
He has PhenomII x4 970 at 3.9GHz on Sabertooth 990FX

He is happy with that build.


He will get from me my PII x6 and 16GB 200MHz DDR3 after i make my RyZEN Rig.
I know but he don't need new MoBo+CPU+RAM

UPD>
If you don't Play much, and if you Preparing for some serious GPU (like Fury for 299 or Med. Vega in Summer)
Then Pick 1050Ti, and don't change CPU and such, just wait for AMD ZEN
Then Build Ultimate Game Machine.

Or Best Idea -> Don't waste Money ! Save and then Pick something worth every penny
Better Idea:
First Zen, Mobo & DDR4
Then some Good GPU, 90USD is a lot of money

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Default 02-01-2017, 14:26 | posts: 2,746 | Location: Netherlands

I know i'm kinda late to the topic but I still wanna give my two cents.

I would lean to the 1050ti simply because its newer tech and performs on par. If you're thinking of selling it and then getting a second hand 7970 i'd harshly advise you not to.

The 7900 series are good cards for gaming and bitcoin mining and I can tell you, every card on the used market has been beaten to death by its owner. My 7950 lasted a grand 3 months before it crapped the bed. My friend's r9 280 died about 6 months after his purchase.

They are good cards but generally won't last you very long unless you get lucky, throwing away a brand new card with warranty just for some more "raw" power is not worth it. Whatever advantage the 7970 has is wasted on 1080p.
   
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Default 02-02-2017, 05:44 | posts: 1,148 | Location: Moscow, Russia

Ok, first of all i want to thanks all of you for the help you gave me. Was a tough choice indeed. With my sh*tty CPU and all XD And for the "confirmation" about how bad overheading is while using some AMD cpu's+gpu's. I know this for sure now...

Second of all...don't laugh XD ...dude was selling dead 1050 Ti. He did not want it checked before the deal. Furmark, any other benchmarks and whatnot - no way. I offered him more money...he began to backing off. In the end he removed his selling ad and blocked my cell number, lil sh*t

But i was already hyped, right XD Aaand...I bought myself a GIGABYTE GTX 780 WINDFORCE 3X OC rev 2.0 for 125 usd XD

Did a first and quick test to see how it performs with my Kaveri compared to my old 7970/ 280x. DX12 ofc. I've got + 15-20 fps more on average. And no more chaotic spikes to 30-35 fps minimum. GTX 780 - 55-80 fps/ 73 average with same game settings (custom high-medium-low) as i played on 7970 a week ago and 280x a year ago. Bench results - 92% cpu usage, 96% gpu usage. Didn't overclocked yet. With 7970/280X - 67-70% cpu usage, 99% gpu usage.

It's more. With 7970/280x In certain parts of the city i've got 25-30 fps all the time. Lowering the settings didn't help much. About 5 or 6 places/ areas in the whole city where fps was barely playable. Such as near the "Chains" world boss in Stuyvesant area. Exactly this place, 25-30 fps depending on day time ---

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No more. Kaveri + 780 - about the same 55-80 fps/ 73 average in those areas. And in total, Kaveri + 7970/280X - 25-60 fps/ 52 average...

Time to sleep for couple of hours...It was a long night XD

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Default 02-02-2017, 14:22 | posts: 6,821

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That's what's important.

Didn't even look at the video though so percentile is important.
It's quite shocking that most websites don't even use these metrics. We really have no idea what we buy without them.
   
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Default 02-02-2017, 16:32 | posts: 13,782 | Location: Proxima \/82

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Ok, first of all i want to thanks all of you for the help you gave me. Was a tough choice indeed. With my sh*tty CPU and all XD And for the "confirmation" about how bad overheading is while using some AMD cpu's+gpu's. I know this for sure now...

Second of all...don't laugh XD ...dude was selling dead 1050 Ti. He did not want it checked before the deal. Furmark, any other benchmarks and whatnot - no way. I offered him more money...he began to backing off. In the end he removed his selling ad and blocked my cell number, lil sh*t

But i was already hyped, right XD Aaand...I bought myself a GIGABYTE GTX 780 WINDFORCE 3X OC rev 2.0 for 125 usd XD

Did a first and quick test to see how it performs with my Kaveri compared to my old 7970/ 280x. DX12 ofc. I've got + 15-20 fps more on average. And no more chaotic spikes to 30-35 fps minimum. GTX 780 - 55-80 fps/ 73 average with same game settings (custom high-medium-low) as i played on 7970 a week ago and 280x a year ago. Bench results - 92% cpu usage, 96% gpu usage. Didn't overclocked yet. With 7970/280X - 67-70% cpu usage, 99% gpu usage.

It's more. With 7970/280x In certain parts of the city i've got 25-30 fps all the time. Lowering the settings didn't help much. About 5 or 6 places/ areas in the whole city where fps was barely playable. Such as near the "Chains" world boss in Stuyvesant area. Exactly this place, 25-30 fps depending on day time ---

click on image to full size


No more. Kaveri + 780 - about the same 55-80 fps/ 73 average in those areas. And in total, Kaveri + 7970/280X - 25-60 fps/ 52 average...

Time to sleep for couple of hours...It was a long night XD
Nice, that's much better then 1050TI..

780GTX Oc's to ~ 1200 - 1230mhz, 1150MHz is 100% guarantied.


Idk anymore but I think my old did 1150mhz @ 1.162v (stock volts) or 1215mhz @ 1.187v?.
   
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Default 02-02-2017, 18:07 | posts: 1,148 | Location: Moscow, Russia

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Nice, that's much better then 1050TI..

780GTX Oc's to ~ 1200 - 1230mhz, 1150MHz is 100% guarantied.


Idk anymore but I think my old did 1150mhz @ 1.162v (stock volts) or 1215mhz @ 1.187v?.
1228Mhz @ 1.2v. Not the world record, but not bad either. But the vram - only +50Mhz (6200Mhz effective). +75Mhz = ctd. Worst vram oc in my practice.
   
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Default 02-02-2017, 19:32 | posts: 13,782 | Location: Proxima \/82

Yeah that's very good OC (~ 1150mhz 780Ti), don't mind that vram much.. I remember I kept it near stock, didnt see much of a difference.
   
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Default 02-02-2017, 20:27 | posts: 9,667 | Location: Serbia, NS

His APU isnt working well with 7970, thats why there is a difference with the 780. Paired with an i5/i7 a 1150mhz TahitiXT and 1150mhz GK110 there isnt much of a difference, especially with newer games.

RE7 performs better on your previous card.

I remember when Tj had 780 and i always compared my scores and game benchmark to his.
   
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It's quite shocking that most websites don't even use these metrics. We really have no idea what we buy without them.
That's why we doing thorough research before we (guru's) buy something
   
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Default 02-03-2017, 01:10 | posts: 1,148 | Location: Moscow, Russia

God. I've got better performance in dx11 now In Division at least. 5-7 fps on average. I saw the charts...old nvidia cards don't have much of improvements in dx12. But i thought that with my awful CPU i have some. Nope. Same with vulkan in Doom. In OpenGL it's about the same as my 7970 in Vulkan...maybe slightly worse even ...It's confusing. I'm confused :|

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My bad. Faulty driver install. It would seems I f*ed up my custom package setup. Dx12 slightly faster overall and smother...

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What, you have better perf. vs dx12 in Division or ?

So Doom openGL is around the same as 7970 in vulkan, well you should be comparing openGL vs openGL in that case.. And how is 780 in vulkan?



Ps extra 8GB ram would really help in modern games, even by Division.. So it caches more and less swapping.

I remember Rise Of TombRaider would use up to 11-12GB with ultra textures (no stutter), even now I saw a few games use up to 11GB with 6GB vram..

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Yep. In dx11 5-7 more fps on average compared to dx12.

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Yep. In dx11 5-7 more fps on average compared to dx12.
ah ok,

I got a little better fps in dx12 at same settings (default ultra - no extra nv stuff), but I think its because I used view distance at 100% in both cases instead of default 60% and this settings makes more drawcalls overhead in dx11 then dx12.. dunno, maybe even Kepler limit or system ram..
   
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...And how is 780 in vulkan?
Compared to OpenGL...kinda choppy feel. Didn't test much. Few fps less, drops to 48 fps. Same frame with 7970 - 55 fps. Got CTD after 30 minutes...don't know why. Event log was clear. In OpenGL - solid 60 fps.

EDIT:

I think it's maybe a driver issue. I recently installed 376.60 hotfix and yesterday i was using 378.49 whql. Need more testing...

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Yeah Vulkan was kinda crappy here too, jittery/choppy even though I had 60fps vsync.. Idk what's after 375.xx didnt test more either.



Ps Division can use 8.2GB system ram np
   
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Default 02-03-2017, 12:41 | posts: 9,667 | Location: Serbia, NS

Thats a good advice. Buying more system ram is a good idea. It can help if you dont have enough Vram. Also, run Vulkan with vsync disabled, it removes the choppines.
   
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Doom was smooth as butter for me with Vulkan and Vsync, after I turned on ClockBlocker.
   
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I think nvidia is better if you want a fast performance, but if you want a good graphic you should choose AMD radeon
   
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