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We shall see

But if im correct once again ! You give me STEAM Game for Free.
OK? No matter, it can be 2Ä game also.
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And if you are wrong?

Your not going to particularly like what I'm about to say but read it with an open mind.

This really just goes to show how bad AMD's drivers are in general. Once the driver is minimized by an API like DX12 or Vulcan the cards start performing where they theoretical should in conjunction to there Tflop performance.
I know. I did the huge DX11 driver overhead thread in here and it was a mess. AMD sure had a DX11 driver problem, but as The Mac says, it's more of an issue of a hardware architecture from a point on.

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But the DX11 performance difference contradicts what you say. DX11 is multi-threaded. Unless you are talking about something completely different like A-Sync in which case it does not seem to make that big of a difference in games as of yet.
It doesn't. DX11 has VERY LIMITED multi-threading that nobody is really using. Only a single core at a time is submitting to the GPU. The main difference is:

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DirectX 11: Your CPU communicates to the GPU 1 core to 1 core at a time. It is still a big boost over DirectX 9 where only 1 dedicated thread was allowed to talk to the GPU but itís still only scratching the surface.

DirectX 12: Every core can talk to the GPU at the same time and, depending on the driver, I could theoretically start taking control and talking to all those cores.

Thatís basically the difference. Oversimplified to be sure but itís why everyone is so excited about this.

The GPU wars will really take off as each vendor will now be able to come up with some amazing tools to offload work onto GPUs.
The problem is that NVIDIA's architecture is not really friendly to multiple workloads. It's a design perfected for the DX11 era. AMD has suffered earlier because their design was meant to get the next consoles, and it couldn't be that restricted. The R&D budget thing is pulled out of its hair also, since AMD is cooperating directly with companies like SONY, Microsoft and Nintendo, and they not only have a GPU design that is the industry standard at this point, but their APIs are too.
   
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^ Ah thanks for that. I like layman terms.
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fairly sure rx480 is fully 12_1 compliant.
Nope same feature level as GCN1.1 and 1.2.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feat...3D#Direct3D_12

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i dont really consider wikipedia an official source, but unfortunately i have no other sources to the contrary other than my recollection of what i read.
   
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i dont really consider wikipedia an official source, but unfortunately i have no other sources to the contrary other than my recollection of what i read.
No feature level updates since 2nd generation, it's still 12_0:
   
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a lack of a bullet point is not exactly definitive, but whatever...
   
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a lack of a bullet point is not exactly definitive, but whatever...
In my opinion it is considering the whole point of that was to highlight what's new.
   
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i guess...
   
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a lack of a bullet point is not exactly definitive, but whatever...
Do you want an AMD slide saying, "We still do not support concervitive rasterization tier 1."

Yeah that will sell cards.
   
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i get it...
   
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Default 07-12-2016, 19:59 | posts: 6,618

AMD would sure make a point to say it about 12_1. On the other hand, Maxwell supports 12_1 but it doesn't get the new TR patch. Other things matter much more apparently.
   
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fairly sure rx480 is fully 12_1 compliant.
Now after Polaris launch there is no DX12_Feature Level with this one.
Now it is like always DX12.0 and that is it.

Like DX9.3 or 10.1 or 11.1 That dash in 12_ is obsolete now.
In a year or so we will have DX12.0 and DX12.1
12.0 means Fully DX12 compilant HardWare. with Upcoming PS/VS 6.0

DX12.1 will pack new ins. sets + PS/VS in 6.1 Specification

DX9.3 SM/VS 3.0 (i remeber first game that used this: NFS UnderGround 2)
DX10.1 SM/VS 4.1
DX11.1 SM/VS 5.1
DX12.0 SM/VS 6.0 (we will have Win_X Big SP RedStone v.1 in Aug.2)

HLSL Shader Model 5.1, introduced with D3D12 and D3D11.3 (Yes 11.3 i told you about this some time ago when i point out that this DX12_x we have Now its not Fully New DX12.0 that is comming this Year)

Of course Shader Model & Vertex Model can give us new level of Image Quality along with HDR it will give us shocker eyes

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AMD RX 490 4K Gaming Card Listed By Sapphire & Spotted In Official Slide Ė Launching In 2016 !

"AMDís RX 490 4K gaming graphics card has made three surprise appearances. Once on AMDís website and again in an official slide and a third time on Sapphireís website. AMDís largest add-in-board partner for discrete graphics cards. Clues for this yet unannounced RX 400 series flagship graphics card were given first by the company in a slide detailing the new Radeon RX 400 series nomenclature. Shortly afterwards the very same GPU was discovered on AMDís and Sapphireís websites.

The RX 490 graphics card, as defined by the company, is a 4K gaming class GPU with a memory interface thatís larger than 256bit. That is to say a memory interface larger than whatís found on the Radeon RX 480 and RX 470 graphics cards. Which the Radeon Technologies Group defines as 1440p class gaming products.
AMD RX 490 4K Gaming Graphics Card Listed By Sapphire & Leaked In Official Slide

AMDís nomenclature slide clearly shows a tier 9 product in the RX 4XX family. Which is the RX 490 graphics card in question. The graphics card is designed for 4K gaming and is configured with a memory interface large enough to cope with the heavy bandwidth demand that this resolution dictates. Interestingly the company has also detailed what the third digit in each name actually means.

In this case the 0 in the RX 480 indicates that this is the first revision of this product. Leaving room in the naming scheme for an updated card with enhanced performance and power characteristics. Whether AMD has an RX 485, RX 475 or an RX 465 in the works isnít confirmed by any means. However if the company chooses to make any, the new naming scheme can happily accommodate them.

The Radeon 400 series lineup will also include 4XX graphics cards without the RX prefex. As it turns out only graphics cards with a compute horsepower thatís over 1.5 teraflops and a memory bandwidth of at least 100GB/s qualify.

AMD has confirmed to us that the RX 480 is based on the most powerful configuration of the Polaris 10 GPU. This makes the RX 490 quite the mystery card, because the most powerful configuration of Polaris 10 is already in-use. Although thankfully there are enough clues around that if followed do give us a very good idea of what this graphics card actually is. So letís follow the paper trail that AMD has left behind.

Patrick Moorhead Ė Forbes
Raja K. also talked about how Advanced Micro Devicesí RTG will need to execute on their architectural designs and create brand new GPUs, something that Advanced Micro Devices has struggled with lately. He promised two brand new GPUs in 2016"

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THX goes to WCCF & Web etc.

Update:

What I tell you Brothers in GPUrms?
That i know one thing:
GPU die size: ~420mm, if i have correct reading this cargo it will Pack HBM !
If this is for 4k Gaming it is verry posible that this one is my Big Polaris

And now im confused, i thought that it will emerge in October/November
But according to some Sources we can expect Polaris Enthusiast Level GPU in September !
If Yes i will hold my GPU horses and Pick one of these instead of RX 480 Custom.

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sapphire has already debunked this.

someone moddified the HTML code to create it....

no such product exsists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfrAD3tRqGw

at 53:30 mins

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The next iteration should be Vega, and it's supposed to have HBM2, so this is a no-go.
   
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Big Vega is the one VGA i am most interested to get in my next upgrade , keep posting information , rumours and all the good stuff guys , exciting times ahead ...
   
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Big Vega is the one VGA i am most interested to get in my next upgrade , keep posting information , rumours and all the good stuff guys , exciting times ahead ...
Yeah NP i will

Great to have you on our side !
I like Leaks etc. cuz' we can have an glimpse into the Future, and sometimes Leaks are very accurate

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Here from 3Dmark Time Spy DX12 benchmark (early leak)

Today Futuremark is pulling the covers off of their new Time Spy benchmark, which is being released today for all Windows editions of 3DMark. A showcase of sorts of the last decade or so of 3DMark benchmarks, Time Spy is a modern DirectX 12 benchmark implementing a number of the API's important features. All of this comes together in a demanding test for those who think their GPU hasnít earned its keep yet.

DirectX 12 support for game engines has been coming along for a few months now. To join in the fray Futuremark has written the Time Spy benchmark on top of a pure DirectX 12 engine. This brings features such as asynchronous compute, explicit multi-adapter, and of course multi-threading/multi-core work submission improvements. All of this comes together into what I think is not only visually interesting, but also borrows a large number of gaming assets from benchmarks of 3DMarks past.

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3DMark: Time Spy Demo

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not exatcly early, i already ran it.

in case anyone is interested for comparison: 3822 graphics score. 290 @1030/1400

system on the left.

http://www.3dmark.com/spy/18273

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4250 gpu score for me @ 1110 core. I just feel this benchmark is showing amds lack of tessellation performance and limit in gpixels vs nvidia.

But anyway so with vega they are updating the ISA-architecture. Polaris was only 8.1 vs 8.5 on fiji and 8.0 on Tonga. So Vega should see some more improvements being 9.0. And 4096 shader cores then for smaller Vega and the bigger one will have something more.

https://www.chiph ell.com/thread-1557825-1-1.html

What is smc and why does Carrizo have it higher?
   
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AMD OpenCL drivers already mention VEGA 10 and VEGA 11

"The following list can be found in OpenCL driver, that is present in the latest Crimson software.

# SI: TAHITI
# CI / GFX7: MILOS, KRYPTOS, HAWAII, NEVIS, PENNAR, BONAIRE, Kabini
# VI / GFX8: ICELAND, TONGA, CARRIZO, BERMUDA, racerx, FIJI
# GFX81: AMUR, STONEY, ELLESMERE, DERECHO
# GFX9: GREENLAND, RAVEN1X, VEGA10, VEGA11

The SI, CI, VI and GFX stand for GPU generations. The latest, yet unreleased architecture is GFX9, which includes Greenland, Raven1X, Vega10 and Vega 11. For quite some time Greenland was rumored to be just another codename for Vega10, but since itís listed separately, we should assume that Greenland is something else, probably an integrated graphics chip.

Greenland first appeared in Linkedin profile of AMD employee. It revealed that new chip would sport 4096 shader processors. Itís unlikely that integrated chip would feature so many cores, so this number is likely referring to Vega 10.
AMD Vega 10 Greenland 4096 Cores

Vega is still planned for next year. AMD recently updated its roadmap to reflect the high-end nature of this architecture.

More importantly, Vega will be the first AMD architecture to feature High-Bandwidth-Memory 2 (HBM2). The reason why this is important is because NVIDIAís Pascal GP100 already has HBM2 memory on board (well at least in prototypes), but NVIDIA is also developing GP102 chip, which is rumored to stick to GDDR5X standard and be more gaming oriented.

The good news is that Hynix already confirmed availability of HBM2 chips in third quarter, so just in time for Vega architecture, which is arriving early next year. The question is, are both Vega 10 and Vega 11 using HBM2 technology? Maybe Vega 11 will use GDDR5X instead?"

THX to Videocardz & WEB etc.

I bet that this Big Polaris i tell you about is one of these:
GFX9: GREENLAND, RAVEN1X !
Becouse GREENLAND is Next Gen after Fiji (according to last Year slides)


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Some early Leaks for Custom RX 480 (don't know which one tho)

But i know that 1500MHz on 1x8-PCIe is easy to achieve.


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AMD OpenCL drivers already mention VEGA 10 and VEGA 11

"The following list can be found in OpenCL driver, that is present in the latest Crimson software.

# SI: TAHITI
# CI / GFX7: MILOS, KRYPTOS, HAWAII, NEVIS, PENNAR, BONAIRE, Kabini
# VI / GFX8: ICELAND, TONGA, CARRIZO, BERMUDA, racerx, FIJI
# GFX81: AMUR, STONEY, ELLESMERE, DERECHO
# GFX9: GREENLAND, RAVEN1X, VEGA10, VEGA11

The SI, CI, VI and GFX stand for GPU generations. The latest, yet unreleased architecture is GFX9, which includes Greenland, Raven1X, Vega10 and Vega 11. For quite some time Greenland was rumored to be just another codename for Vega10, but since itís listed separately, we should assume that Greenland is something else, probably an integrated graphics chip.

Greenland first appeared in Linkedin profile of AMD employee. It revealed that new chip would sport 4096 shader processors. Itís unlikely that integrated chip would feature so many cores, so this number is likely referring to Vega 10.
AMD Vega 10 Greenland 4096 Cores

Vega is still planned for next year. AMD recently updated its roadmap to reflect the high-end nature of this architecture.

More importantly, Vega will be the first AMD architecture to feature High-Bandwidth-Memory 2 (HBM2). The reason why this is important is because NVIDIAís Pascal GP100 already has HBM2 memory on board (well at least in prototypes), but NVIDIA is also developing GP102 chip, which is rumored to stick to GDDR5X standard and be more gaming oriented.

The good news is that Hynix already confirmed availability of HBM2 chips in third quarter, so just in time for Vega architecture, which is arriving early next year. The question is, are both Vega 10 and Vega 11 using HBM2 technology? Maybe Vega 11 will use GDDR5X instead?"

THX to Videocardz & WEB etc.

I bet that this Big Polaris i tell you about is one of these:
GFX9: GREENLAND, RAVEN1X !
Becouse GREENLAND is Next Gen after Fiji (according to last Year slides)


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RAVEN1X will be Zen apu if anything. Greenland could very well be bristol ridge in the end.
   
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core clock 1530, yeah right, that will happen.

there is no difference in a 6pin and an 8pin connector on modern PSUs.

over 75watts is out of spec on 6pin, but it can easily handle 150watts no problem.

the 2 extra pins are just grounds to help reduce resistance for the VRMs. They dont "add" any wattage.

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Some early Leaks for Custom RX 480 (don't know which one tho)

But i know that 1500MHz on 1x8-PCIe is easy to achieve.


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If those are the hardware volt modded water cooled result then I can assure you that 1,5 GHz is not going to be easy. I'm expecting ~1,4 GHz max OC for custom cards without hardware mods and with air cooling.
   
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im expexting 1350 max.
   
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