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Default To Bake, Or Not To Bake - 03-09-2017, 22:58 | posts: 493

@PrMinisterGR

I have a GTX580 that started showing memory issues, and is generally unusable. I was wondering if baking it may help, and how to do it. Since you are the resident pro, I figured I'd ask you.
   
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Default 03-10-2017, 00:42 | posts: 3,075 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Maryland, Dundalk

I found this, http://www.addictivetips.com/hardwar...aking-in-oven/

lol but if my card was about to die, i would just let it go and get to shopping at ebay.
   
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Default 03-10-2017, 17:48 | posts: 493

I did, and bought a 390. But since I am idling awaiting my RMA replacement I figured I'd play with it.
   
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Default 03-10-2017, 18:57 | posts: 3,075 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Maryland, Dundalk

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I did, and bought a 390. But since I am idling awaiting my RMA replacement I figured I'd play with it.
WOW that's a huge card (Sapphire Nitro 390 BP) , you must have a large case. Beastly
   
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Default 03-10-2017, 19:46 | posts: 267

I say bake it... but wait until replacement is in the mail.
   
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Default 03-10-2017, 21:28 | posts: 493

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I say bake it... but wait until replacement is in the mail.
It is in the mail, and I'm surviving on dual GTX285 SLI. I just miss my DX11 support. (Playing DA:I on DX9/10 hardware is lol)
   
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Default 03-10-2017, 21:34 | posts: 493

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WOW that's a huge card (Sapphire Nitro 390 BP) , you must have a large case. Beastly
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Default 03-10-2017, 21:35 | posts: 493

Question: do I have to remove the backplate? It looks like a total PITA to do that. Also, looking at things I see that the Asus DCII cooling has no fins on the memory chips. If I do this I should put fins on the chips while I am at this.

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Default 03-10-2017, 23:48 | posts: 6,353

I preheated a gas oven at 200c for 10 minutes. I used aluminium foil "pyramids" to keep the GPU from touching the surface of the flat metal pan I used, being careful for it to be as level as possible. I of course removed everything that could be removed from it, and cleaned it with isopropyl alcohol before putting it in. Don't leave anything that can be unscrewed/removed on.

I left it in for 10 minutes, put it out VERY gently and let it cool for an hour in room temperature.

That was it, as far as I know.
   
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Default 03-11-2017, 00:15 | posts: 2,583 | Location: Ibaraki, Japan

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I have a GTX580 that started showing memory issues, and is generally unusable. I was wondering if baking it may help, and how to do it. Since you are the resident pro, I figured I'd ask you.
What kind of question is that?

You always bake.
Just make sure you don't bake plastic parts and grease!


   
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Default 03-11-2017, 02:45 | posts: 3,764 | Location: Canada

Go to sleep, tomorrow do the wake and bake.
   
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Default 03-11-2017, 11:40 | posts: 5,135 | Location: EU, CZ, Brno

Baking is always bad idea if done way most people do it.
If it has to be done in ghetto way then it still can be done intelligently.

Use aluminum foil as heat shield for all components like capacitors, even several layers. Then cover (with same foil) entire PCB except that one component you want to reflow. Around chip to reflow place something to prevent movement, optimally something what can prevent undesirable heat transfer.
Finally heat that one chip with heat gun and use IR thermometer to reach just 190C where solder starts to melt (depending on type). Then increase slowly temperature up to 235C (which is 15C above Lead-free balls usually used). There is no good reason to go any higher, just keep temperature there and heat will slowly get to balls through chip.
You may see it move a bit down (sit). And you are done. Wait for it to cool down.

If balls used are not Lead-free, then melting point may be even around 305C which increases risk that some SMD components will move around due to them having much lower solder melting temperature.
   
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Default 03-11-2017, 16:45 | posts: 6,353

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Baking is always bad idea if done way most people do it.
If it has to be done in ghetto way then it still can be done intelligently.

Use aluminum foil as heat shield for all components like capacitors, even several layers. Then cover (with same foil) entire PCB except that one component you want to reflow. Around chip to reflow place something to prevent movement, optimally something what can prevent undesirable heat transfer.
Finally heat that one chip with heat gun and use IR thermometer to reach just 190C where solder starts to melt (depending on type). Then increase slowly temperature up to 235C (which is 15C above Lead-free balls usually used). There is no good reason to go any higher, just keep temperature there and heat will slowly get to balls through chip.
You may see it move a bit down (sit). And you are done. Wait for it to cool down.

If balls used are not Lead-free, then melting point may be even around 305C which increases risk that some SMD components will move around due to them having much lower solder melting temperature.
This is the most correct advice.
   
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Default 03-11-2017, 22:34 | posts: 493

Now if I knew which component is the problem, this would be great, but I don't.
   
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Default 03-12-2017, 02:27 | posts: 6,353

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Now if I knew which component is the problem, this would be great, but I don't.
I always bake wholesale too
   
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Default 03-13-2017, 01:04 | posts: 4,254 | Location: Lebanon

Mmmm. Going to try this on an old GTX260 that doesn't display a signal (fans spin up to max).

Thanks to PrMinisterGR and Fox2232 for the great detailed advice.
   
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So any results yet? Curious if the bake and shake worked.
   
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Default 03-13-2017, 14:00 | posts: 6,353

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Mmmm. Going to try this on an old GTX260 that doesn't display a signal (fans spin up to max).

Thanks to PrMinisterGR and Fox2232 for the great detailed advice.
Fox's advice was more like a master chefs, mine more like a cooking blog
   
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So any results yet? Curious if the bake and shake worked.
Haven't started yet, sorry. Was doing clan stuff during the weekend on Diablo3 (teaching the noobs) plus I was busy prepping for the xboxx hueg blizzard we are getting tonight/tomorrow.

Baking the card is a nice thing to do when sitting out a blizzard, don't you think?
   
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Default 03-23-2017, 17:27 | posts: 493

OK, so I decided to bake while my card is out for 2nd RMA.





Baked at 385F for 8 minutes. Now waiting for the card to cool down.

EDIT: all done, reassembling...


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Soooooooooooooo?
   
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Default 03-23-2017, 22:14 | posts: 724 | Location: UK

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Soooooooooooooo?
Soooooooooooooo? Such suspense, don't leave us hanging Chastity!
   
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Soooooooooooooo? Such suspense, don't leave us hanging Chastity!
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Default 03-24-2017, 00:13 | posts: 493

And... it did nothing, still getting the green spots on POST screens, and installing driver will cause a system reset. Next step is to try and reflash the vBIOS.
   
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Default 03-24-2017, 00:32 | posts: 6,353

I believe you held it in not long enough. Try preheating the oven for at least 10 minutes, and leave it in for 10 minutes.
   
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