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Default 04-22-2017, 17:29 | posts: 76

now i have had my new ryzen setup for a couple of weeks and with the parts used with bios f6 my system is running so smoothly - no regrets leaving skylake
   
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Default 04-24-2017, 09:44 | posts: 239 | Location: Switzerland/Luzern

Hello Guys

I am actually also thinking of Upgrading my current I7 4790k to something better. Since I am mainly doing Games Development I Need a lot of CPU Power and Ram.

I Play only on 4K with Games such as Shooters (BF1, Ark, Ghost Recon Wildlands, Watch Dogs2) , Strategy (Ashes of Singularity, Anno 2070, Halo Wars II) and Simulations (Elite Dangerous, Farming Simulator 2017).

Also I own a HTC Vive and Play Elite Dangerous through my Vive, which is mainly GPU and CPU intense.

So..I am either thinking of going with the Intel 2011 V3 from my current 1150 Plattform, or straight with the I7 7700k or wait for the I7 8000k, or even the AMD 1800X.

However with AMD Comes the question which Motherboard to buy, Ram that works the best.

So I Need CPU Power for my Games Development and also CPU / GPU Power for my 4K Games and VR Experience.

Which one to get? What would make the most sense?

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Default 04-24-2017, 21:51 | posts: 3,265 | Location: Upstate New York

For gaming development and gaming at 4K I think Ryzen is the clear best choice.
   
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Default 04-25-2017, 08:04 | posts: 239 | Location: Switzerland/Luzern

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For gaming development and gaming at 4K I think Ryzen is the clear best choice.
Thanks for your Feedback. I guess I will have to wait still a bit considering the current issues with the Performance and Bugs the new am4 platform still has.
I Need a stable System at home and I believe it will still take a couple of months for it to mature.

Besides there are not many good Motherboard choices right now, I would only consider either a ASUS or MSI Board. I Need 2x M.2 and 2 SSD Connections plus 32GB of low latency and high clocked ram, and from my readings the choice of Ram is really something not quite set in Stone yet.

Not an easy Decision tbh.
   
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Default 04-25-2017, 09:44 | posts: 6,547 | Location: Finland

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Thanks for your Feedback. I guess I will have to wait still a bit considering the current issues with the Performance and Bugs the new am4 platform still has.
I Need a stable System at home and I believe it will still take a couple of months for it to mature.

Besides there are not many good Motherboard choices right now, I would only consider either a ASUS or MSI Board. I Need 2x M.2 and 2 SSD Connections plus 32GB of low latency and high clocked ram, and from my readings the choice of Ram is really something not quite set in Stone yet.

Not an easy Decision tbh.
Going for 2x16gb 3200mhz trident z ram would be best choice currently being samsung b-die and for motherboard asus hero 6 and MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM. Of those two I know asus hero 6 would play nice with 3200mhz 32gb but does not have 2x m.2. While I have no personal experience on xpower gaming titanium I think it would fit your bill better.

Else the platform is really solid, I think the biggest issue being that only samsung b-die ram is working as it should. Of course there are small things here and there but in general it's stable and solid platform.

As in it is stable for me with my crappy hynix ram running 2666 16-15-15-30
and cpu 4ghz with 8 hdds, 1 sdd and 1 m.2.

As a dev myself I would easily go ryzen route again. Or 6900k but that would not have an upgrade path.
   
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Default 04-25-2017, 12:03 | posts: 239 | Location: Switzerland/Luzern

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Going for 2x16gb 3200mhz trident z ram would be best choice currently being samsung b-die and for motherboard asus hero 6 and MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM. Of those two I know asus hero 6 would play nice with 3200mhz 32gb but does not have 2x m.2. While I have no personal experience on xpower gaming titanium I think it would fit your bill better.

Else the platform is really solid, I think the biggest issue being that only samsung b-die ram is working as it should. Of course there are small things here and there but in general it's stable and solid platform.

As in it is stable for me with my crappy hynix ram running 2666 16-15-15-30
and cpu 4ghz with 8 hdds, 1 sdd and 1 m.2.

As a dev myself I would easily go ryzen route again. Or 6900k but that would not have an upgrade path.
Thanks for your detailed Feedback. I do have those 2x16GB 3200mhz G.Skill Trident Z Ram on my whishlist actually ever since they came out actually

My biggest concern is less 4K & VR Gaming Performance then on my I7 4790K with those AMD Ryzen 7 Processors. In Gaming I don't want a downgrade.
If I would choose, then it would be the 1800X, with a Noctua NH-D15 AM4 Cooler.

Since I work a lot with 4K and 6K Textures and doing Test Builds in my Game Development, my CPU is here clearly the Bottleneck and could benefit from more cores.

The 6900K will soon be replaced anyway be the Skylake-X CPU and a new X299 Chipset. Which means a new Board and CPU, the cost for the new LGA-2066 Platform will for sure come with a hefty Pricetag.
   
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Default 04-25-2017, 12:45 | posts: 6,547 | Location: Finland

In regards of 4K and VR gaming you would be either gaining or staying roughly the same on the experience part. Not downgrading. I know I got an upgrade going from 3770k @ 4.2ghz to my 4ghz 1800x I play on 1440p I gained in quite a few games. Biggest gains were tho in Overwatch where I play all low for maximum fps. Noctua should be fine keeping temps in check on 4ghz all cores. I got h110i myself to cool the cpu and it idles 33 celsius with all cores 4ghz all the time with voltage locked to 1.35v

Max temps are 45-60 depending on work load.

I mostly work with compiling code which saw a huge boost. Also I could now virtualise way more stuff. And from reviews I've seen for example blender should see a quite a sizeable boost.
   
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Default 04-25-2017, 13:17 | posts: 44 | Location: Portugal

The situation is that i have a 1440p 144hz monitor and i want to take the full advantage of the monitor.

I am not an Intel or Amd fanboy i am just a regular consumer and want the best solution,i just like AMD because i dont like the monopoly of Intel that knows that is the best and charges us a lot because until know they didnt had competition.

I am still thinking on the Ryzen 7 1700 but i hear a lot that if you want 144hz go for the 7700k

I still didnt bought anything.
   
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Default 04-25-2017, 14:52 | posts: 6,547 | Location: Finland

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The situation is that i have a 1440p 144hz monitor and i want to take the full advantage of the monitor.

I am not an Intel or Amd fanboy i am just a regular consumer and want the best solution,i just like AMD because i dont like the monopoly of Intel that knows that is the best and charges us a lot because until know they didnt had competition.

I am still thinking on the Ryzen 7 1700 but i hear a lot that if you want 144hz go for the 7700k

I still didnt bought anything.
If you won't oc the 1700 then I would say 7700 else the 1700 will do fine. I have 1440p with 144hz my GPU is the limiting factor.
   
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Default 04-25-2017, 15:06 | posts: 44 | Location: Portugal

I want to OC the 1700 offcourse
   
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Default 04-25-2017, 15:50 | posts: 6,547 | Location: Finland

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I want to OC the 1700 offcourse
Then you should have no issues running stuff with your 144hz display at all. As long as the gpu grunt is there. On a Ryzen system. The difference is not that big either between ocd ryzen machine and ocd kabylake machine in the end. Sure it might be in older games from 350 to 400 fps difference but that is about it.
   
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Default 04-28-2017, 09:58 | posts: 24

I am using AMD FX-8320E currently, should I upgrade my processor to Ryzen 7? What benefits I would get overall and in gaming?
   
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I am using AMD FX-8320E currently, should I upgrade my processor to Ryzen 7? What benefits I would get overall and in gaming?
Higher and more stable fps. Also everything else would be snappier.
   
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Default 04-28-2017, 10:30 | posts: 3,521 | Location: Finland

Not sure if OP has made up his mind already but thought I'd throw in my 2 cents too for him or anyone else.

You could get a 6-core 5 series Ryzen CPU, 1600 or 1600X. You'll be able to build that system with around the same or less money than Kaby Lake one (with better multithreaded performance than KL).

Get a "mainstream" X370 or B350 motherboard and overclock as high as you can (3.9 - 4 GHz should be doable with proper cooling).
It's recommended to get around 3000 Mhz memory though as Ryzen's cluster fabric scales with memory speed so you may need to fork out a bit more on memory vs. KL (also try to get Samsung single-rank modules if possible and check motherboard QVL).
However latency isn't that big of a deal so eg. 3200/CL16-18 is fine, no need to go for high end CL14 modules.

Also if you (OP) intend to keep your GPU (GTX 770 in specs) you will not see any performance degradation vs. Kaby Lake anywhere.
That only applies to very high-end GPUs in (select) CPU-limited scenarios.

I have an overclocked GTX 980 Ti and recently switched to R5 from a Haswell i5. No drops in any games I have, including ROTTR and DXMD. Actually ROTTR got a small fps boost!

Game at 1080p.

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still too many architectural issues to flush out before i'd recommend a ryzen.
   
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still too many architectural issues to flush out before i'd recommend a ryzen.
Like? The only one I can really think is IOMMU distribution under Linux. But that's apparently getting worked on.
   
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Default 04-29-2017, 06:02 | posts: 656 | Location: Philippines

Ryzen 5 is a good buy..My 3.9ghz 1600 can keep up to my old 7700K @ 5.1ghz on TimeSpy..

TimeSpy Comparison between my 3.9ghz 1600 vs 7700K @ 5.1ghz with both Ram @ 2666 and RX 480 @ 1400..

   
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Default 04-29-2017, 06:58 | posts: 1,233

To the OP:

Here is a Graph showing i7-7700k @ 5 GHZ with various RAM speeds in ARMA 3 (notorious for single thread performance) vs R7-1700@ 3.8 GHZ with 3200 CL14 RAM:



And I quote:

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"On my 1700 I get ~55FPS @ 3.8GHz with my RAM clocked at 3200MHz (CL14). Using 2400MHz (CL11) RAM he gets to about 47 FPS on a 5GHz i7.

At 3000MHz CL14 and i7 @ 5GHz he is roughly where I am at 3200MHz CL14 and R7@ 3.8GHz suggesting that the R7 performs somewhat better clock by clock (larger caches?). Yet, if he overclocks his RAM to 4200MHz CL17 and i7 @ 5GHz his machine totally takes off. I haven' overclocked my RAM yet as my B350 Board does not offer this option (yet)."
Just saying R7 is competitive with the right components. And yes, for game engines or work that require pure MHZ, I also want to Ryzen clock up to 5+ GHZ as well. Maybe Ryzen 2.0 will get us there.

PS: IF I was buying a new cpu/ram/mb combo right now, I would buy Ryzen unless Intel releases 6/8 core cpus that also OC to the same as kabylake to keep the IPC crown. Ryzen is just going to get faster and faster over time.

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Default 04-29-2017, 09:34 | posts: 3,521 | Location: Finland

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To the OP:

Here is a Graph showing i7-7700k @ 5 GHZ with various RAM speeds in ARMA 3 (notorious for single thread performance) vs R7-1700@ 3.8 GHZ with 3200 CL14 RAM:



And I quote:



Just saying R7 is competitive with the right components. And yes, for game engines or work that require pure MHZ, I also want to Ryzen clock up to 5+ GHZ as well. Maybe Ryzen 2.0 will get us there.

PS: IF I was buying a new cpu/ram/mb combo right now, I would buy Ryzen unless Intel releases 6/8 core cpus that also OC to the same as kabylake to keep the IPC crown. Ryzen is just going to get faster and faster over time.
Thanks, that's actually very interesting. Going past 3600 mem speed makes performance scale even better with Kaby Lake.

We've yet to see how that would be with Ryzen as 3200/3600 is the peak atm. Hopefully 4 GHz+ mem speeds would be possible in the future.
That way anyone who got their system early and had to make cuts in memory speed can just swap their mem kits for high speed ones and get a notable perf boost.

CPU clocks are pretty much what you get with 6 or 8 core CPUs AFAIK. Hilbert said in his Ryzen reviews that Intel's 6 and 8 core are no different in this respect and usually peak at the 4 GHz+ region too, give or take.
   
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Thanks, that's actually very interesting. Going past 3600 mem speed makes performance scale even better with Kaby Lake.

We've yet to see how that would be with Ryzen as 3200/3600 is the peak atm. Hopefully 4 GHz+ mem speeds would be possible in the future.
That way anyone who got their system early and had to make cuts in memory speed can just swap their mem kits for high speed ones and get a notable perf boost.

CPU clocks are pretty much what you get with 6 or 8 core CPUs AFAIK. Hilbert said in his Ryzen reviews that Intel's 6 and 8 core are no different in this respect and usually peak at the 4 GHz+ region too, give or take.
I've seen I think only one review where 3600mhz has been used and there the difference is noticeable from 3200 already in some cases. I would think if 4.2ghz is possible in future on ryzen it will make a big difference it would also make the fabric work at double rate of the 2133mhz so it would be rather nice. Of course goddamn expensive with current ram prices.
   
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I've seen I think only one review where 3600mhz has been used and there the difference is noticeable from 3200 already in some cases. I would think if 4.2ghz is possible in future on ryzen it will make a big difference it would also make the fabric work at double rate of the 2133mhz so it would be rather nice. Of course goddamn expensive with current ram prices.
Yeah it would be very cool to see how it works! Just hope that'll be achievable with BIOS updates and not needing a hardware change (Ryzen 2.0).

I think the fabric-memory relation was and is the reason memory speed is limited. Hope that's not a hardware limitation but just a "fail-safe" in current BIOS/microcode to prevent stability issues until the code can be perfected.

Looking forward to May AGESA update, AFAIK it should greatly improve memory compatibility and performance.
I'll fork out a bit extra for faster memory, if not gladly at least willingly
and sell my current modules while they're still worth something.
   
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Thanks, that's actually very interesting. Going past 3600 mem speed makes performance scale even better with Kaby Lake.

We've yet to see how that would be with Ryzen as 3200/3600 is the peak atm. Hopefully 4 GHz+ mem speeds would be possible in the future.
Pretty much this and yet almost nobody tests CPU limited games with faster memory such as ARMA, Fallout, Civilization, flight sims, racing sims, and etc... I know most consumers won't pay 100 USD premium on memory just to boost one game, but a lot of people will pay 100 USD for a faster GPU that applies to more game.

But there are still very hardcore communities of people who ONLY play certain games and always are looking to maximize those certain games as its like a sport or poker night to them.

So it would have been interesting to see how far Ryzen can go with faster memory even if they choose to upgrade it later when RAM prices drop again (probably before DDR5 hits).
   
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Is there anyone having any types of issues with the Kaby Lake on Z170 boards? I know that the board needs a bois update in order for it to work with the 7th generation intel processor.
Im using a 7700k on an asus heroe viii z170 oced to 5055mhz and i have no problem running ddr4 oced at 3600 from a 3200 kits with samsung e-die, i think its a great cpu for gaming most of my games dont even use all the threads and i personnaly think that this cpu will be good easily 3-4 years for gaming which is what i do with my rig. I think the 7700k is the way to go for gaming right now, z170 and z270 handles ddr 4 much better than ryzen with way better latemcy as well
   
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