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Elder III
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Default 03-04-2017, 20:31 | posts: 3,265 | Location: Upstate New York

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UPDATE 2:

- Excepting the CPU temp everything looks fine and is ROCK SOLID, no crashes no BSOD no GSOD...
- Looks like the bashed temp reading have no influence on CPU Performance.
- Installing now NFS 2016 and Sandra, I'll post the scores here below:

- Aritmetic: Dhrystone Integer 320 Gips
- Aritmetic: Whetstone 178 Gflops
- Multimedia Int: 310 Mpixel/s
- Multimedia Float: 420,5 Mpixel/s

Looks like Windows 10 Pro very fast parcs 10 of 16 threads, actually during usuall browsing, win update, origin game install... only 6 threads are active ! Never seen that behaviuor with the FX 8350 before!

btw, wtf is AMD Ryzen Master?? I found it installed in Programes and Features, is 1.82 Mb Version 1.0.0.0188
68C is a safe temperature based on what I've read so far on professional reviews. The quote below is from overclockers.com

"UPDATE 3/3/2017: We have it on good word (not direct from AMD, but someone closely associated) that the core/die max temperature is 95°C. This is when you will see throttling and/or thermal shutdown. Quite the welcome change from all the FX processors, which were throttling at about 62°C!"

AMD Ryzen Master is a utility to overclock Ryzen CPUs from within Windows, it was probably installed from your motherboard disc...
   
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Cool 03-04-2017, 20:36 | posts: 1,380 | Location: Germany

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Also, Kohlendioxidus
any chance you can bench some games first with 16 threads active, then changing the CPU Affinity from the Task Manager to use only 8 threads and see if there is any difference?
As we speek I just downloaded and installed NFS 2016 and definitely DEFINITLY feels smoother as before. I play as before maxed out (see my GPU on the left) but in Eyefinity (5760x1080). The FPS are def higher higher and they look to be stucked @ 42, when before jumped between 25 and 35!

Tomorrow (now I'm dead tired, this build took me a day) I'll continue with SMT on/off and changing CPU affinity.
   
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Cool 03-04-2017, 20:43 | posts: 1,380 | Location: Germany

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68C is a safe temperature based on what I've read so far on professional reviews. The quote below is from overclockers.com

"UPDATE 3/3/2017: We have it on good word (not direct from AMD, but someone closely associated) that the core/die max temperature is 95°C. This is when you will see throttling and/or thermal shutdown. Quite the welcome change from all the FX processors, which were throttling at about 62°C!"

AMD Ryzen Master is a utility to overclock Ryzen CPUs from within Windows, it was probably installed from your motherboard disc...
I think so too, excepting that either the temps or sensor calibration are NOT as fine as I would expect (future bios will improve I'm shore), the CPU definitely do not throttle. In NFS I'm below 59°C and as stated before the tubes between pump and radiator are ambient temperature only and the back of the CPU is actually cold (when showing 58°C in bios)!

I actually tried installing that utility from AMD website but failed with an error on initializing the setup! Have no idea why...That piece of software was before that already installed and I think as you say the MSI CD installed it!
All other software installed with 0 issues and as said before, the system is rock solid!

BTW, I'm pretty pleased with this MSI B350 Tomahawk, is for me the perfect mobo. All 6 fan headers works beautifully, the fan control (no PWN) work perfectly with the temps (CPU/Mobo) and general build feels solid! Also during 10 Min. Prime the CPU power regulators/phases were max 60°C hot, meaning that the small heatsink works well, the smaller heatsink (north of the CPU) is cooler as it maxed out @45. All temperatures were measured at the surface with a laser thermometer.

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Default 03-04-2017, 22:31 | posts: 1,298 | Location: London

Hi there

In BIOS usually temps are high or higher as in BIOS there are no power saving features enabled

This what I see with my 5820k in BIOS, with AIO my CPU temp in BIOS has been around 58-65°C or with Noctua NH-D15 my CPU temp in BIOS has been in low 50's and with custom water loop my CPU temp in BIOS is around 45-48°C as max

And looks like Win7 is slightly better than Win10 right from people reports

http://www.overclock.net/t/1624699/w...#post_25893205

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads...500572/page-5#

Hope this helps

Thanks, Jura
   
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Default 03-04-2017, 23:46 | posts: 401 | Location: Michigan

Here's the link for AMD Socket AM4/AMD Ryzen™ Processor Software Drivers / Supports Windows 10/7 (64-bit) The ASUS CH6 Hero Motherboard includes the USB 3.1 drivers for Win7 but not sure about other boards I haven't heard anything. I just seen people starting to ask about Win7 so I thought I would add this info. https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-art...et-driver.aspx
   
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Thumbs up 03-05-2017, 01:28 | posts: 7,784 | Location: In Paradise :)

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As we speek I just downloaded and installed NFS 2016 and definitely DEFINITLY feels smoother as before. I play as before maxed out (see my GPU on the left) but in Eyefinity (5760x1080). The FPS are def higher higher and they look to be stucked @ 42, when before jumped between 25 and 35!

Tomorrow (now I'm dead tired, this build took me a day) I'll continue with SMT on/off and changing CPU affinity.
Can you test for me if you can , Forza Horizon 3 or Forza Motorsports Apex , DiRT Rally. Thank you for the update on your build and i'm happy for you.
You are welcome to post pictures of your new Ryzen built in here at any time don't be shy .





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Default 03-05-2017, 03:20 | posts: 136

I'm planning to do a ryzen build this week, thinking about R7 1700 paired with a MSI B350 Tomahawk (mostly because of its aesthetics) but I really dunno how much will it set me back compared with say a Asus X370-PRO, overclocking wise.
I'm talking about an average overclock here, 4.0 (4.1 MAX), no die-hard OC's, LN2, etc,etc. So, do you think the 6 power phases of the B350 are plenty enough for this kind of OC on this CPU? Or should I aim for the X370 for its extra power phases? What differences will it make while OCing to 4.0(4.1 MAX)?
   
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Default 03-05-2017, 03:36 | posts: 6,425 | Location: Australia

There is a bug in the scheduler for Windows 10 that will be fixed soon, so changing the affinity or disabling SMT is only out of interest .

There are three things that could give you better peformance. The first is an old one, but relevant. From an elevated command prompt (opening CMD as 'Run As Administrator'):
bcdedit /set useplatformclock false

This can be system dependent. Apparently disabling HPET is straight from AMD so it should be beneficial.

By default Windows updates the processor/core voltage every 30 ms. By changing the power profile in the power options control panel pplet to Performance it changes every 1 ms. Keep in mind performance mode isn't recommended. AMD will have a driver that will do this for you soon, so no need to panic there

If you want to play around with it now, these changes are hidden somewhere in the hidden power configuration options that you can't normally access. Copy the code below into notepad, save as power.reg or whatever you want to call it with a .reg extension, and run it. This will add most of the knwon hidden power configuration settings to control panel. To access, just open the power options, have 'Balanced' power option enabled, click 'Change Plan Settings, click 'Change Advanced Power Settings' and you will find a whole heap of new settings there particularly under 'Processor Power Management'.

Code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

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[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\54533251-82be-4824-96c1-47b60b740d00\a55612aa-f624-42c6-a443-7397d064c04f]
"Attributes"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\54533251-82be-4824-96c1-47b60b740d00\ea062031-0e34-4ff1-9b6d-eb1059334028]
"Attributes"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\54533251-82be-4824-96c1-47b60b740d00\0cc5b647-c1df-4637-891a-dec35c318583]
"Attributes"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\7516b95f-f776-4464-8c53-06167f40cc99\A9CEB8DA-CD46-44FB-A98B-02AF69DE4623]
"Attributes"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\7516b95f-f776-4464-8c53-06167f40cc99\FBD9AA66-9553-4097-BA44-ED6E9D65EAB8]
"Attributes"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\7516b95f-f776-4464-8c53-06167f40cc99\90959d22-d6a1-49b9-af93-bce885ad335b]
"Attributes"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\7516b95f-f776-4464-8c53-06167f40cc99\EED904DF-B142-4183-B10B-5A1197A37864]
"Attributes"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\7516b95f-f776-4464-8c53-06167f40cc99\82DBCF2D-CD67-40C5-BFDC-9F1A5CCD4663]
"Attributes"=dword:00000000
Just rememeber what changes you make when testing so you can report on it, and also change the settings back once the specialised driver is released. Further tweaking after which may allow for small additional gains... possibly . Intereting to play around with though!

For further gain (may or may not be useful).
Code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management]
"SystemPages"=dword:FFFFFFFF
"PagedPoolSize"=dword:FFFFFF

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Multimedia\SystemProfile\Tasks\Games]
"GPU Priority"=dword:00000008
"Priority"=dword:00000006
"Scheduling Category"="High"
"SFIO Priority"="High"
Unlikely to make any difference, but interesting to try:
Open regedit and navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager\SubSystems

Double click on Windows and you will likely see something like:
%SystemRoot%\system32\csrss.exe ObjectDirectory=\Windows SharedSection=1024,20480,768 Windows=On SubSystemType=Windows ServerDll=basesrv,1 ServerDll=winsrv:UserServerDllInitialization,3 ServerDll=sxssrv,4 ProfileControl=Off MaxRequestThreads=16

Carefully change the 1024,20480,768 to 2048,24576,2048
and change the MaxRequestThreads to 32. 16 is the default value for any system.

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I'm planning to do a ryzen build this week, thinking about R7 1700 paired with a MSI B350 Tomahawk (mostly because of its aesthetics) but I really dunno how much will it set me back compared with say a Asus X370-PRO, overclocking wise.
I'm talking about an average overclock here, 4.0 (4.1 MAX), no die-hard OC's, LN2, etc,etc. So, do you think the 6 power phases of the B350 are plenty enough for this kind of OC on this CPU? Or should I aim for the X370 for its extra power phases? What differences will it make while OCing to 4.0(4.1 MAX)?
I don't have a definite answer for that question yet , but rule of thumb always has been the beefier and better the VRM / power phases the better it will overclock as you get more clean power and less ripple hence stabilizing high overclocks.

On monday morning i will start my first tests on a cheap BIOSTAR X370GT5 that have only 7 phases VRM with a R7 x1700 , i will post the overclocking results and that might give you a rough idea ( ballpark number ) on how the 6 and 7 VRM power phases behave on the motherboards with Ryzen CPUs.

Also bare in mind not all the motherboard vendors use the same parts in their circuitry and pcb , in other words it will be more of a guesstimate results. Later this week i should be receiving my Asus Crosshair VI Hero so i can make a good comparison between them 2 mobos. Also as time goes by and more and more Gurus post their findings we will get a clearer picture of it.

That's why i encourage any Guru member with a Ryzen platform to share their findings , the more information and feedback we get from real users on real world scenarios usage the better will be for the community , making it easier to make buying choices.



@ thatguy91 Thank you for that information , very useful . We are going to find all the tweaks to make this Ryzen platform fly ! Keep up the good work and findings my friend.

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I don't have a definite answer for that question yet , but rule of thumb always has been the beefier and better the VRM / power phases the better it will overclock as you get more clean power and less ripple hence stabilizing high overclocks.

On monday morning i will start my first tests on a cheap BIOSTAR X370GT5 that have only 7 phases VRM with a R7 x1700 , i will post the overclocking results and that might give you a rough idea ( ballpark number ) on how the 6 and 7 VRM power phases behave on the motherboards with Ryzen CPUs.

Also bare in mind not all the motherboard vendors use the same parts in their circuitry and pcb , in other words it will be more of a guesstimate results. Later this week i should be receiving my Asus Crosshair VI Hero so i can make a good comparison between them 2 mobos. Also as time goes by and more and more Gurus post their findings we will get a clearer picture of it.

That's why i encourage any Guru member with a Ryzen platform to share their findings , the more information and feedback we get from real users on real world scenarios usage the better will be for the community , making it easier to make buying choices.



@ thatguy91 Thank you for that information , very useful . We are going to find all the tweaks to make this Ryzen platform fly ! Keep up the good work and findings my friend.
Yes, I know the concept, it's just I never had an AMD and things might be slightly different in this regard. And it's not all about the amount of phases it has but also it's quality (I dunno about that BIOSTAR X370, are they any good?). Anyway, you got my point, just want to make sure for this specific OC that the 6-phases of the MSI B350 TH are just fine for it.

Looking forward to your feedback.

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good post thatguy

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dunno how much will it set me back compared with say a Asus X370-PRO, overclocking wise.
thats a good question. an anecdote for you: my old asus M4A785 had mediocre VRMs. my ancient 1090t was basically capped @3.6ghz near stock volts, since increasing voltage beyond ~10% generated too much heat & instability. moved up to my current board with beefier mosfets & 3.9ghz is stable @1.47v...the old boards insufficient regulation caused enough voltage fluctuation (beyond stock, mind you!) to destabilize my cpu before the silicon hit its actual mhz ceiling. i tested with multiplier only to make sure it was the VRMs.

that being said, we have no clue as to the quality of that tomahawks admittedly kinda low# of power phases. you have no idea if your chip is gonna require high volts to hit 4ghz (it might not...), thus requiring cleaner power delivery. if youre concerned, you could get one of the gigabyte b350 boards with more phases if you dont need all the connectivity of the asus pro.

personally id prefer a pro carbon or aorus 5, but im on water & overvolt like a mother****er, so...thats different. its up to you. it could easily be a limiting factor, but then again it might not even be a problem for a moderate OC.


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Also some usefull Tweaks for WinX
(from here -> http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=398484 )

Name: GamingPower.reg
Copy/Paste: (correct Tasks\Games)

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MemMenagment.reg

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Also some usefull Tweaks for WinX
(from here -> http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=398484 )

Name: GamingPower.reg
Copy/Paste: (correct Tasks\Games)

 Click to show spoiler
The priority settings in this tweak are wrong, apparently the original person put it as '1' not knowing any better and that has followed through numerous posts and articles regarding this tweak.

Refer to the following:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx

and:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx

and also:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx
(regarding priotity classes and what/how 'high' helps.

Using the classes as 'High' is what gives the boost, because if the priority in numbers is now effective, a setting lower than the priority class is ignored.

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The priority settings in this tweak are wrong, apparently the original person put it as '1' not knowing any better and that has followed through numerous posts and articles regarding this tweak.

Refer to the following:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx
Hmm, so 8 then?

UPD. ok 6 is a go.

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AMD_LisaSu CEO of AMD

“Ryzen is doing really well in 1440p and 4K gaming when the applications are more graphics bound. And we do exceptionally well in rendering and workstation applications where more cores are really useful. In 1080p, we have tested over 100+ titles in the labs….
And depending on the test conditions, we do better in some games and worse in others. We hear people on wanting to see improved 1080p performance and we fully expect that Ryzen performance in 1080p will only get better as developers get more time with “Zen”.
We have over 300+ developers now working with “Zen” and several of the developers for Ashes of Singularity and Total Warhammer are actively optimizing now.”
……

In response to a different individual regarding the same topic Su stated :
“Ryzen is a brand new CPU and so it takes time to work with the developers to optimize….. We have tested over 100+ games in 1080p and most perform very well. It is unfortunate that there are a few notable titles that perform below expectations…. Those will definitely be optimized, you can count on that.”


AMD_Robert Technical Marketing

“In addition to Lisa’s comments, there are also some variables that could affect performance:

1) Early motherboard BIOSes were certainly troubled: disabling unrelated features would turn off cores. Setting memory overclocks on some motherboards would disable boost. Some BIOS revisions would plain produce universally suppressed performance.

2) Ryzen benefits from disabling High Precision Event Timers (HPET). The timer resolution of HPET can cause an observer effect that can subtract performance. This is a BIOS option, or a function that can be disabled from the Windows command shell.

3) Ryzen benefits from enabling the High Performance power profile. /-This overrides core parking. Eventually we will have a driver that allows people to stay on balanced and disable core parking anyways. Gamers have been doing this for a while, too-/. I misspoke, here. I want to clarify the benefit: High Performance mode allows the CPU to update its voltage/clockspeed in 1ms, vs. the 30ms that it takes balanced mode. This is what our driver will accomplish. Apologies for the confusion!

These are just some examples of the early growing pains that can be overcome with time.”

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I think so too, excepting that either the temps or sensor calibration are NOT as fine as I would expect (future bios will improve I'm shore), the CPU definitely do not throttle. In NFS I'm below 59°C and as stated before the tubes between pump and radiator are ambient temperature only and the back of the CPU is actually cold (when showing 58°C in bios)!

I actually tried installing that utility from AMD website but failed with an error on initializing the setup! Have no idea why...That piece of software was before that already installed and I think as you say the MSI CD installed it!
All other software installed with 0 issues and as said before, the system is rock solid!

BTW, I'm pretty pleased with this MSI B350 Tomahawk, is for me the perfect mobo. All 6 fan headers works beautifully, the fan control (no PWN) work perfectly with the temps (CPU/Mobo) and general build feels solid! Also during 10 Min. Prime the CPU power regulators/phases were max 60°C hot, meaning that the small heatsink works well, the smaller heatsink (north of the CPU) is cooler as it maxed out @45. All temperatures were measured at the surface with a laser thermometer.
Apologies if this been asked before, but are you sure your cooler is mounted correctly on the CPU, maybe its not making full or flat even contact - that could explain the lower temperatures of the coolant while having a hotter CPU temperature. Also, mx2 is not a particularly good paste, it's one of the worst performing ones - by using something like Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut you might be able to shave off another 3 degC roughly.

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Hmm, so 8 then?
According to the information, Priority ranges from 1-8, supposedly '6' is ideal remembering that if there are 10 threads to process, having a too high priority will mean the game will get a greater share of processor time, but the lower priority threads will take longer to process potentionally hindering other performance aspects. It's why 6 is recommended over 8.

For GPU one would think according to the info that 25 would actually be more beneficial, however again it's above resource sharing, and you have to balance out the threads. Some of these settings are claimed to be not in use by Microsoft.

I believe the main benefit, if any, just comes from the 'High' settings.

Setting the priority of some system services to high is also said be be beneficial in certain aspects. To do this, copy and past the following into notepad and name it priority.cmd and save to the desktop. Right click and run as administrator, it will set these automatically for you which will stay like this until the next boot unless you manually change them again.

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Giving all the priority to the game may make sense, but you have to remember the game relies on a lot of 'under the hood' stuff, delaying their processing by having a higher priority to the game may be faster or slower, or cause stutter.

It's all a balancing act, and there are three incoming resolutions for this that should be available within a couple of months:
  • AMD CPU driver for faster frequency selection without hindering power efficiency
  • a bugfix for Windows scheduler resolving the use of SMT threads instead of core threads; may be as soon as this coming patch Tuesday! or released later, and be present if not already in the Windows 10 Creators update due next month
  • microcode update for the CPU, mostly resolving compatibility issues and greatly improving compatibility with faster RAM modules (and then you have to wait for the board manufacturer to release an updated bios).

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@thatguy91

I have Process Lasso for this kind of Tweaking.
But i will make my CMD also (THX for the Tip)

PS.
I can see you have some Good Knowledge in YOU

As for those High priorities in Gaming, you need to remember that in Win10 we don't have true Exclusive Full screen anymore, that is why many will do this tricks to force Windows to behave as it is in Win7.

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Can you test for me if you can , Forza Horizon 3 or Forza Motorsports Apex , DiRT Rally. Thank you for the update on your build and i'm happy for you.
You are welcome to post pictures of your new Ryzen built in here at any time don't be shy .





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*** Update For Today March 4 , 2017 / Started Writing The Overclocking Guide ***




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I do not have These games, therefore cannot test it! I will put some raw pics of my build below:
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now I'm back, did a test before on NFS and again the MSIgaming app (CPUZ too) reports my CPU staying at 3700 (3696) on all cores, why?
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it is NOT overclocked!!

Yoou also see my temps stable @ 58°C...60°C during gaming. In regard with the so called high temps could also be just me as I'm used with my FX 8350. When that one showed 60°C I could really feel it warm and I was expecting sparks from the socket area , but again the RYZEN is really cold by touch and measurement!

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that being said, we have no clue as to the quality of that tomahawks admittedly kinda low# of power phases. you have no idea if your chip is gonna require high volts to hit 4ghz (it might not...), thus requiring cleaner power delivery. if youre concerned, you could get one of the gigabyte b350 boards with more phases if you dont need all the connectivity of the asus pro.

personally id prefer a pro carbon or aorus 5, but im on water & overvolt like a mother****er, so...thats different. its up to you. it could easily be a limiting factor, but then again it might not even be a problem for a moderate OC.


btw guys since i keep writing walls of text, heres some eye candy for you. wanted to document the stepping/batch code. waiting on the MSI pro carbon
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I don't have a definite answer for that question yet , but rule of thumb always has been the beefier and better the VRM / power phases the better it will overclock as you get more clean power and less ripple hence stabilizing high overclocks.

On monday morning i will start my first tests on a cheap BIOSTAR X370GT5 that have only 7 phases VRM with a R7 x1700 , i will post the overclocking results and that might give you a rough idea ( ballpark number ) on how the 6 and 7 VRM power phases behave on the motherboards with Ryzen CPUs.

Also bare in mind not all the motherboard vendors use the same parts in their circuitry and pcb , in other words it will be more of a guesstimate results. Later this week i should be receiving my Asus Crosshair VI Hero so i can make a good comparison between them 2 mobos. Also as time goes by and more and more Gurus post their findings we will get a clearer picture of it.

That's why i encourage any Guru member with a Ryzen platform to share their findings , the more information and feedback we get from real users on real world scenarios usage the better will be for the community , making it easier to make buying choices.


Now that I'm thinking about it.. Well, we already have the 1800X that runs stock at 4.0Ghz so logically it should be no problem for the MSI B350 TH and its 6-phases to run a R7 1700 at 4.0-4.1 aswell.
   
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