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Default 10-30-2008, 20:54 | posts: 24

Damn son, thats good reading right there.
   
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Originally Posted by hadibahal View Post
Hello
Help me for overclock system
I have AMD Phenom 9950 BE and M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WIFI-AP and ATI SAPPHIRE 4870 and 2x2GB Ballestix CL4 800 but i can't overclock up 3.00GHZ

please Help me for voltages and Freq for mainboard for up overclock
@ hadibahal: There's no way that I can tell you what's going to get you over 3GHz, if anything...
Like I've told all these other guys (and just in case you've missed it) - the stepping that's printed on the top of the IHS (Integrated Heat Sink - that's the metal top of the CPU itself) contains a number and letter sequence that tells (in code) when the chip was manufactured which determines just how overclockable the CPU is. I've had 3 that wouldn't hit 2.8GHz, 1 that wasn't stable at over 2.9GHz, and 3 that are stable at over 3GHz, with one stable at 3.68GHz...and the *ONLY* way to tell, is to look at the number/letter sequence printed on the top of the CPU.
For me to give you some magic numbers isn't going work...have you read my guide? The guide's purpose is to inform you of what everything is and how it works in relation to everything else, so you have an education in what it is you're trying to do (I'm giving you the tools to be able to do the job properly and be successful, but I'm not going to do the job for you)
Besides, there's absolutely no way that any numbers that I can throw your way would work for your system since all systems are different (even though you may have the same exact stepping as me, the same exact motherboard, the same exact brand and revision of RAM, etc. - the two systems will *not* overclock the same)

Good luck... I suggest that you go through my guide and read it again - if you've still got questions on where to start or have no idea what to do after reading it thoroughly, I'd be glad to help (but be prepared to answer some questions that the guide would have answered)

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Psychlone: i dont have the actual numbers for my phenom, i will look tonight, but if i remember correctly, i believe it is stepping B3.
Bro, we *ALL* have B3 stepping - if you're looking at CPUz or Everest...That's not the actual stepping of the CPU itself.
The actual stepping is printed on the top of the IHS and is the only place that you're going to find it...no software can poll that information since it's not embedded in any register anywhere. You have to literally remove your CPU from the socket, clean off the thermal paste and physically look at the number/letter sequence to see what actual stepping you have.

Just since I've had so many people ask this same question, I'm going to c/p a post that I made about this very question/answer here, and I'm going to add it to the original guide. This should help to clear up some of the misunderstandings about steppings.


Steppings:
As I've stated in numerous posts, the actual stepping of your CPU is what determines it's overclockability.
Unless you physically hand-pick one from a store shelf, you'll get whatever they send you...and that means whatever LOT number is sitting on a warehouse shelf, which has absolutely nothing to do with stepping at all. I've found that Newegg usually has the best steppings on hand, but that doesn't mean that you'll get one - I went through 4 from Newegg...1 of them was a decent overclocker, 2 of them were *horrible* (2.8GHz was their highest!), and 1 of them was excellent at overclocking (the one I'm still using, and it's reached 3.675GHz on this board) - not to mention the other 4 that I've tested to this point...so only 4 of them in total were stable at 3GHz with 4 of them being unstable at much over 2.8GHz.
I've found that Fry's Electronics often has an excellent selection that you can 'cherry-pick'...that's how I got the RAM I have in my rig...they just happened to have revision 1.3 Dominator 8500C5D's on their shelf (about 4 packages back) - these sticks are stable at well over 1200MHz, but Corsair quit making them a year ago...so only places that have the old stock in their warehouses are actually going to even have access to something like that.

**There is NO way to tell the stepping of a CPU unless you literally pull the CPU out of the socket, clean off the thermal paste, and physically look at the IHS (Integrated Heat Sink) on the top of the CPU itself**
There is no software that can poll this information because this series of numbers/letters is not embedded into any registers anywhere. So, what you've seen with CPUz or Everest or any other software - means absolutely nothing.
When I'm talking about a CPU's stepping, it's really more than just a series of numbers/letters.
You can break down the stepping numbers/letters on the top of the IHS so that it shows the date the actual chip rolled off the manufacturing line along with what core it has, and the color of the PCB (Printed Circuit Board). This is how important it is to know what you're getting; very few Phenoms with a stepping of 0810 or before have shown to overclock higher than 2.8GHz. Most good overclocking Phenoms (3.1GHz or above) come from weeks 16, 18, 19, 21, 22 and the weeks that I have skipped are Phenoms that have a rough time reaching 3GHz even with extreme voltage increases. Also, the steppings of AW, GW, and MW have shown to be in the top of the best overclocking CPUs. (highest MHz with the lowest voltage increase)


What we call the 'Stepping' is really quite a lot more than that...we can group it into 5 categories from those numbers:

* Core
* Week
* Stepping
* Color of PCB
* Revision

The 2 that are imperative for the Phenom are the Week and the Stepping, the Week that it was created, probably due to the manufacturing process itself (like a 'Wednesday's Car' - a car built on Wednesday used to be the better car because during the middle of the week, no one was looking forward to the party at the end of the week and they had already nursed their hangover from the weekend before )

In any case, if there's a way to physically hand-pick your CPU from a dealer, that's what you should do, even if it's more money - because there's no way to tell what you'll get from any online retailer.

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Default 11-04-2008, 02:10 | posts: 31 | Location: Florida, USA

Oh well, I am going to be homeless so no more overclocking or PC for me..I just got screwed by my other household member with an injunction and a Baker Act.

Thanks for the fun and info though Psychlone, guys.

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Default 11-06-2008, 09:37 | posts: 9 | Location: Durham UK

@ Psychlone

I swapped over my Motherboard last night and in the process remembered reading this post of yours about stepping/bach info.

So i noted down what mine had on it. Any chance you could indicate if i have a "bad" CPU from this info please?

AMD Phenom 9950 BE (bought in September 2008 from local retailer)

HD995ZFAJ4BGH
JAAHB AA 0827APMW
9711774G80130


Just curious...

Thank you in advance!

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Default 11-15-2008, 06:11 | posts: 265

Hey Psychlone...

I just picked up a 9850BE and noticed that my CPU code is idential to yours...only difference is the week, mine is "0818" compared to your "0816."

Do you figure this will be a good clocker?
Also, what's an affordable board that will still allow me to get good results?

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@ Af.Obselite: Your 0818 stepping has shown to be a moderately effective overclocker - couple of them hitting 3GHz at 1.375V

@ Noob9: Sorry it's been so long to get back to you, but I can't find a 0827 week anywhere in the databases (which the best of them hasn't been updated since September) - sorry I don't have any more info for you.

But, to both of you and anyone else that's interested, one of the best ways to tell just how good your CPU is going to overclock - is to UNDERVOLT it at stock speeds!
Start out by going into your BIOS and setting your CPU Voltage to 1.28V, reboot all the way to Windows and run a few minutes of Orthos Stressprime or wPrime, reboot, drop it down another notch and test again. Once you're not stable, that's your LOWEST voltage value for your CPU - and the lower the voltage it takes to be stable at stock speeds, the higher you're going to be able to clock that CPU.

My JAAHB 0816 GPMW is completely stable at 1.20V - which is why I can crank it up to 3.6GHz without having to pump 1.5V through it. Something that I got used to with my Opteron 165 (one in a million at 3.2GHz, +.025V over stock) is the efficiency of the CPU itself, utilizing much less power to get where I wanted it to be...and this has carried over to the newer architecture - and what AMD really wanted...a CPU that's power efficient (which turns out in our benefit twice if you get one that's very efficient! - once for less power consumption and once for higher overclockability!)

Anyway, just a rule of thumb for you all to remember - the lower the voltage for stock, the higher overclockability you have - and I bet it'll be that way from now on through newer architectures.

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Default 11-16-2008, 01:20 | posts: 265

What's the highest voltage one should look to reach on aftermarket air cooling?

I am hoping to reach the 3.2 GHz mark, at least...so that's my goal.
   
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That's not a stupid question, but there's no way to answer that - there are too many variables to take into consideration that go beyond the CPU's HS/f assembly.

Case cooling is the one thing that most people miss - and it's just as paramount to good cooling as the most expensive HS/f assembly...without adequate cool air coming in and warm air being expelled, there's no HS/f combination on the face of the planet that's going to do it's job...
Along with case cooling goes wiring - keeping the wiring out of the way along with any other obstructions is important to adequate air flow.

Last thing, with the Phenoms, like I've said, they don't like super-high voltage...it will run better at lower voltage - any good stepping will take less than 1.4V to get to 3.2GHz, so keep that in mind.

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Default 11-20-2008, 05:03 | posts: 2

Psychlone,

You are the man. Thanks for all the time you've put into making this work. I'm putting together a new system right now and I've enjoyed reading all your comments.

I've been building systems for a while now but am new to overclocking so I'm sure I'll have some questions for you.

Let me start with an easy one. My 9850 BE has week "0831" and stepping "DPNW".

Can you shed any light on this particular processor and what I might be able to expect from it?

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Default 11-20-2008, 08:14 | posts: 3,688 | Location: Searching for more light...

I love doing this - I get more enjoyment out of tweaking my system and helping others to do the same, as I get out of gaming...but, you're welcome!

As for your stepping, it's really:

JAAAB 0831 DPNW - and there's only one in the database, unfortunately, there's no overclock mentioned with it...below is all there is for it:
Code:

HD985ZXAJ4BGH (HD985ZXGHBOX)  AMD Phenom X4 9850 512KB(4x) 2500MHz socket-AM2+ 1.20/25/30V 125W
Core...Week...Stepping...Color...Revision...Engineering Sample...AVG OC 	
JAAAB...0831...DPNW......Green.....GH.....-................n/a...............none recorded
Sorry my new friend, but no data means YOU are going to be the one that lets the world know what it'll do!

So, from that standpoint, what motherboard are you running? Let me help you tweak that beast and let's see just what she'll do!
Once we find out, you can be the one to enter all the data into the better of the databases...it'll be your overclock, so it's YOUR glory! (mine's already at the top right now, so if you dethrone me, I'll just run it faster j/k maybe)

Remember reading how the lower the voltage to be stable in Windows at stock speeds? That's the *first* thing I'd try with your new CPU - kind of a 'burn-in' time for the new thermal paste with lower-than-default voltage...this will give you a really good idea of just how high it's going to clock, given the other variables are all in order (good overclocking motherboard, good overclocking RAM (or high MHz RAM to begin with) and thermal properties of your chosen HS/f assembly and case cooling.

Good luck Bro, and post back when you're ready!

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Default 11-20-2008, 09:39 | posts: 2

Psychlone - I'm using the gigabyte MA790GP-DS4H Mobo. 4 gigs of corsair ram (this ram here - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145184)

The bios on my mobo seems to have a ton of options but I haven't really looked at it yet as I'm still installing programs and getting the cpu up and running. Tomorrow night I'll dive in.

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Default 11-21-2008, 02:58 | posts: 7 | Location: Sacramento, CA

Hello Psychlone....

Finally! Someone who has taken the time to explain the Phenoms!

Ok so i read this entire thread and because of you, I had to tear open the case and pull off my cpu fan to get my numbers... so here they are:

HD995ZFAJ4BGH
JAAHB AA 0829APAW
9704231H80003

I'd go look myself, but I can't seem to find the database you're referring to.

Another thing... My mobo is a different Asus model, the M3N-HT Deluxe. The problem I'm having is that AOD says that it can't detect an AMD 7-series chipset on my computer. Doesn't my board have the 780a SLI? Weird.

However, I have downloaded and installed all the software you recommended and I'm ready to begin the first steps in your tutorial. I just wanted to know about my stepping and that AOD issue first.

Also, this memory I'm using... (KHX8500AD2K2/4GR) would you recommend I buy something different? Such as something more agreeable with overclocking... I haven't ever tried to OC memory before and don't quite know if this particular memory will fare well:

Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 4096 MBytes
Channels Dual (Unganged)
Memory Frequency 401.8 MHz (1:2)
CAS# 6.0
RAS# to CAS# 6
RAS# Precharge 6
Cycle Time (tRAS) 18
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 25
Command Rate 2T
NB Frequency 2009.0 MHz
Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts

I really appreciate the time and energy you put into this thread.... wish there were more guys like ya!


Raptor

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Default 11-22-2008, 02:35 | posts: 3,688 | Location: Searching for more light...

@ Supermatt: Although I've never used that motherboard, from what I've read about it - you'll probably do just fine!
As for the RAM, Corsair is about all I'll ever endorse myself - they make a quality product and it just works. As for DDR2 800, you don't have a lot of headroom to bring them higher, but if they're D9 ICs, you'll be able to crank them up pretty decent. But, the Phenoms do better with simple CPU Multiplier increases rather than FSB increases (so you don't *really* have to worry about putting your memory on a divider, dropping your HT and your NB multi's since you're not raising the FSB)

@XRaptorX: You're in the same boat as Matt on your CPU's stepping - there's no APAW or week 29 JAAHB's to be found in the databases.
About AOD, uninstall it and get an older version, like 2.10...reinstalling your chipset drivers also may cure that problem, but overclocking via BIOS is really the only way to get it done properly.
The memory you've got is just fine - a little high on the latencies, but it'll probably work well all the same. Once you get your CPU where you want it, I'd suggest trying to decrease the main 5 latencies one at a time, rebooting in between each change - there's a chance that you can get those sticks to be quite a lot quicker if they're stable at the lower latencies.

Good luck guys!

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Default 11-22-2008, 04:14 | posts: 7 | Location: Sacramento, CA

Psychlone
Sorry to bother you again...

I started the first step of your 'guide' by dropping th CPU multiplier, HT Link Speed, and RAM Divider to their lowest settings, however I can not for the life of me find the RAM divider in my bios settings... could it be called something else?

Also is there a way we could chat via some messenger? thanks

below are the images of my bios screens taken from the user's manual.... the values are NOT mine.

http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?i...8597928nh2.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?i...1921528ai9.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?i...1618175bv2.jpg
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Default 11-22-2008, 14:48 | posts: 3,688 | Location: Searching for more light...

Sorry Bro, (this is going to seem random but you'll get it in a sec) I'm a Certified Chef with Le Cordon Bleu credentials and own a huge restaurant, so the only free-time I really have is coming on here (this is how I decompress! ) So I don't use any IM at all...just don't have the time.
But I do come to Guru3D at least once every day - and even better is that I've helped many good people here with my knowledge of overclocking that I would trust that some of them would chime in if given a chance.

Back on topic, from your screenshots, you can go to
ADVANCED > CPU Config > DRAM Config and change your Memory Clock Frequency...anything LESS THAN it's rated speed is going to be a divider (it may look like this: [1066], [800], [667], [400], or it may be the 'half freq' like this: [533], [400], [333], [200] - don't worry about what it looks like, they're both exactly the same)

So, that would be how to change your RAM divider (RAM divider literally means 'to run your RAM at a fraction of it's rated speed', hence lowering it's speed via the way I just showed you and then making it up in FSB increase)

But, first thing that I'd like you to do since we don't know anything about your CPU's stepping info, is to go into BIOS and reduce the VCORE (CPU Voltage) to 1.25 and see if it'll boot all the way into Windows, run wPrime or one of the quick stress tests and reboot to BIOS, drop it another .2 (or whatever smallest increment you can) and back to Windows again - you're trying to find the LOWEST VOLTAGE that the stock speed is stable in Windows...from this we can see just how efficient your CPU's stepping is and we can get a rough estimation of how far it'll clock.

Once you're done doing that, try another experiment (this is really just a shortcut, but not a thorough overclock) - put your CPU Voltage back to stock (1.3V) and then raise your CPU Multi up in small increments, rebooting to Windows between each change...you should be able to get up to roughly 14.5 before needing a CPU voltage increase, then raise your CPU Voltage by .1, raise the CPU Multi up another notch, boot to Windows, etc. - repeating this process until either your idle temps are in the low 40*C range, or you're pushing into 1.4V territory. This will also give you a really good idea of what to expect from that CPU.

Remember, not all CPUs are created equal - some will only overclock to a grand total of 2.6GHs...some will go much further. You paid for 2.5GHz and anything beyond that isn't guaranteed.

Good luck!

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Default 11-22-2008, 20:37 | posts: 7 | Location: Sacramento, CA

Ok, so I started with 1.25 and kept going down an incrrement at a time and running prime for about 15 minutes at each step. Once I hit the step where it became unstable I went back up to the last stable step and ran prime for an hour. It stayed stable for the entire test and maxed out at 32C with an idle of 28C.

So now I'll start the next thing you suggested and go back to 1.3 and start increasing the multiplier until I hit the ceiling and start adding voltage. I'll edit this post when I'm finshed...
   
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Default 11-22-2008, 20:59 | posts: 3,688 | Location: Searching for more light...

So what was the lowest voltage that was Prime stable?? This is going to help determine just how good of an overclocker you have.

I'll be looking forward to the other results as well.

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Default 11-22-2008, 21:04 | posts: 7 | Location: Sacramento, CA

oops sorry! hehe it was 1.175. I'm in the middle of the multiplier process... right now as i type this its at x15.5

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Ok, now I am up to x16 but i had to add some voltage cuz it wouldn't boot all the way to windows. I went up 5 steps in voltage and finally booted with 1.5V. Right now its @3214.56 and sitting idle at 33C according to ProbeII. Should I try going up to 16.5?

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Default 11-23-2008, 01:36 | posts: 7 | Location: Sacramento, CA

ok next i put everything back to defaults... and dropped the CPU multi, HTLS, and RAM Div. all the way to lowest settings. then i started raising the fsb until it stopped posting and went back one and posted at 253. then i set it back to 200 and and increased the CPU Multi until it hit 16.5.

oh by the way.... when i dropped all those settings to their lowest, my CPU was running at 1ghz lol
   
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That's a really efficient CPU stepping you've got there - 3.2+ GHz shouldn't be a problem at all.
Although, it makes me very nervous you running 1.5V! If you can't get to 3.2GHz with 1.4V, you probably shouldn't try any higher.

You can keep raising the CPU Multiplier until it craps out on you - if you can hit 17X with 1.4V or less, you're in really good shape and can begin increasing the FSB to raise your RAM and HT/NB up a little bit as well.

Congrats - you're almost done already!

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Default 11-23-2008, 21:26 | posts: 7 | Location: Sacramento, CA

Hello Psychlone...

Well I was up until 4 in the morning (without coffee I might add) just trying to play the 'balancing act' with all these settings and I'm afraid I'm just not able to get what I'm looking for. I think early on I figured my original goal of 3.6 was not possble. So I settled for what I thought would be a realistic 3.2. I was able to hit almost 3.3 in the first excercises you gave me, however, as you said those were not really for getting a correct overclock. THey were more for finding the limits. I want to do it so the voltages are equal to or slightly higher than stock.

A couple things that did really jump out at me was the cpu voltage and memory settings. In the bios, I had the cpu voltage set for 1.4V, but in Probe, CPUID, and AI Suite, the voltage was being reported anywhere from 1.49 to 1.59. Is this because a different setting in the bios is incorrect? Why would it be operating so much higher than the setting I assigned? As for the memory settings, they are still set to their minimums because after I got the cpu overclocked, I couldn't get windows to boot with higher settings.

Anyways, after I woke up this morning, I got into the bios again and copied all the pertinent info minus all the irrelevant info so you can see whats going on. I also generated a cpuid report. If there is anything I left out, or anything you'd like to see... just let me know!

So here they are:

JUMPERFREE CONFIGURATION

AI TUNING - AUTO
OVERCLOCK OPTION - DISABLED
VDDA VOLTAGE - AUTO
MEMORY VOLTAGE - AUTO
NF200 CHIP VOLTAGE - AUTO
1.2 HT VOLTAGE - AUTO
NB CHIP VOLTAGE - AUTO
CPU-NB VOLTAGE - AUTO
CPU-NB MULTIPLIER - AUTO
CPU VOLTAGE - 1.4OOOV
CPU MULTIPLIER - 13x
CPU FREQUENCY - 235
PCIE CLOCK - 100

DRAM CONIGURATION

MEMORY CLOCK FREQUENCY - DDR2 400
TCL - AUTO
TRCD - AUTO
TRP - AUTO
TRAS - AUTO
1T/2T MEMORY TIMING - AUTO
DRAM GANGED MODE - AUTO (currently unganged)
MEMORY HOLE REMAPPING - ENABLED
AI CLOCK SKEW - AUTO

ADVANCE MEMORY SETTINGS

TRC - AUTO
TWR - AUTO
TRRD - AUTO
TRWT - AUTO
TWTR - AUTO
TRTP - AUTO
TWRRD - AUTO
TWRWR - AUTO
TRDRD - AUTO
TREF - AUTO
TRFC - AUTO
DRAM TERMINATION - AUTO
DYNAMIC IDLE CYCLE COUNTER - AUTO
IDLE CYCLE LIMIT - AUTO
DCQ BYPASS MAXIMUM - AUTO
DRAM BURST LENGTH - AUTO
DRAM BANK INTERLEAVING - ENABLED
BANK SWIZZLE MODE - ENABLED

DRAM TIMING CONTROL

CKE FINE DELAY - AUTO
CKE SETUP TIME - AUTO
CS/ODT FINE DELAY - AUTO
CS/ODT SETUP TIME - AUTO
ADDRESS/COMMAND FINE DELAY - AUTO
ADDRESS/COMMAND SETUP TIME - AUTO
READ DQS TIMING CONTROL - AUTO
WRITE DATA TIMING CONTROL - AUTO
DQS RECEIVER ENABLE TIMING - AUTO

CPU CONFIGURATION

AMD VIRTUALIZATION - DISABLED
AMD CPU C1E SUPPORT - ENABLED
AMD LIVE! - DISABLED
AND COOL 'n' FUNCTION - DISABLED
CPU INSTRUCTION FETCH - AUTO
CPU TWEAK CONTROL - AUTO
PROCESSOR DOWNCORE - DISABLED

CHIPSET

HYBRID SUPPORT - DISABLED
ONBOARD GPU - AUTO
iGPU CLOCK - 500
iGPU SHADER CLOCK - 1200
K8<->NB HT SPEED - 200MHz
K8<->NB HT WIDTH - AUTO
CPU SPREAD SPECTRUM - DISABLED
PCIE SPREAD SPECTRUM - DISABLED
SATA SPREAD SPECTRUM - DOWNSPREAD
PRIMARY DISPLAY ADAPTER - PCI-E


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CPU-Z version 1.48
-------------------------

Processors Information
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Processor 1 (ID = 0)
Number of cores 4 (max 4)
Number of threads 4 (max 4)
Name AMD Phenom X4 9950 Black Edition
Codename Agena
Specification AMD Phenom(tm) 9950 Quad-Core Processor
Package Socket AM2+ (940)
CPUID F.2.3
Extended CPUID 10.2
Brand ID 11
Core Stepping DR-B3
Technology 65 nm
Core Speed 3046.8 MHz (13.0 x 234.4 MHz)
HT Link speed 234.4 MHz
Instructions sets MMX (+), 3DNow! (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4A, x86-64
L1 Data cache 4 x 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 4 x 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 4 x 512 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L3 cache 2 MBytes, 32-way set associative, 64-byte line size
FID/VID Control yes
min FID 5.0x
Features XD, VT
Package Type 0x1
Model 99
String 1 0x2
String 2 0x3
Page 0x0
Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 0
Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 1
Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 2
Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 3
Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 4

Chipset
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Northbridge NVIDIA nForce 780a SLI SPP rev. A2
Southbridge NVIDIA nForce 780a SLI MCP rev. A2
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x16
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 4096 MBytes
Channels Dual (Unganged)
Memory Frequency 234.4 MHz (1:1)
CAS# 6.0
RAS# to CAS# 3
RAS# Precharge 3
Cycle Time (tRAS) 9
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 13
Command Rate 1T
NB Frequency 2343.7 MHz

Memory SPD
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DIMM #1

General
Memory type DDR2
Module format Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) Kingston (7F98000000000000)
Size 2048 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Part number 9905316-173.A00LF
Serial number D9140279
Manufacturing date Week 25/Year 08

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
EPP no
XMP no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 266 333 400
CAS# 4.0 5.0 6.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 4 5 6
RAS# Precharge 4 5 6
TRAS 12 15 18
TRC 16 20 24

DIMM #2

General
Memory type DDR2
Module format Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) Kingston (7F98000000000000)
Size 2048 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Part number 9905316-173.A00LF
Serial number C4144216
Manufacturing date Week 25/Year 08

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
EPP no
XMP no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 266 333 400
CAS# 4.0 5.0 6.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 4 5 6
RAS# Precharge 4 5 6
TRAS 12 15 18
TRC 16 20 24

Hardware monitor
-----------------------------------------------------

ITE IT87 hardware monitor

Voltage sensor 0 1.50 Volts [0x5E] (CPU VCORE)
Voltage sensor 1 3.28 Volts [0xCD] (VIN1)
Voltage sensor 3 5.00 Volts [0xBA] (+5V)
Voltage sensor 4 11.84 Volts [0xB9] (+12V)
Voltage sensor 7 4.87 Volts [0xB5] (+5V VCCH)
Voltage sensor 8 3.14 Volts [0xC4] (VBAT)
Temperature sensor 0 31C (87F) [0x1F] (TMPIN0)
Temperature sensor 1 27C (80F) [0x1B] (TMPIN1)
Temperature sensor 2 81C (177F) [0x51] (TMPIN2)
Fan sensor 0 2700 RPM [0xFA] (FANIN0)
Fan sensor 1 1337 RPM [0x1F9] (FANIN1)


Hardware monitor
-----------------------------------------------------

AMD Phenom X4 9950 Black Edition hardware monitor

Temperature sensor 0 25C (76F) [0xC8] (Core #0)
Temperature sensor 1 25C (76F) [0xC8] (Core #1)
Temperature sensor 2 23C (73F) [0xB8] (Core #2)
Temperature sensor 3 23C (73F) [0xB8] (Core #3)

Hardware monitor
-----------------------------------------------------

GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+ hardware monitor

Temperature sensor 0 41C (105F) [0x29] (GPU Core)


PCI Device List
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RAM Memory Controller
bus 0 (0x00), device 0 (0x00), function 0 (0x00)
Common header
Vendor ID 0x10DE
Model ID 0x0754
Revision ID 0xA2
PI 0x00
SubClass 0x00
BaseClass 0x05
Cache Line 0x00
Latency 0x00
Header 0x00
PCI header
Subvendor ID 0x1043
Subsystem ID 0x82E7
Int. Line 0xFF
Int. Pin 0x00
Capabilities
HyperTransport Capability
Offset 94h
Interface type Gen3
HyperTransport Capability
Offset 60h
Interface type Retry Mode
HyperTransport Capability
Offset 44h
Revision 3.00
Interface type Slave/Primary
Link 0 width (in/out) 16 bits/16 bits
Link 0 frequency 200MHz
Link 1 width (in/out) 8 bits/8 bits
Link 1 frequency 200MHz
HyperTransport Capability
Offset D0h
Interface type Power Management


DMI
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DMI BIOS
--------
vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD
version ASUS M3N-HT Deluxe ACPI BIOS Revision 1502
date 10/08/2008


DMI System Information
----------------------
manufacturer System manufacturer
product System Product Name
version System Version
serial System Serial Number
UUID A01B001E-8C00017D-0EA00022-15FA1E49


DMI Baseboard
-------------
vendor ASUSTeK Computer INC.
model M3N-HT DELUXE
revision 1.XX
serial MS1C88B87S00211


DMI System Enclosure
--------------------
manufacturer Chassis Manufacture
chassis type Desktop
chassis serial EVAL


DMI Processor
-------------
manufacturer AMD
model AMD Phenom(tm) 9950 Quad-Core Processor
clock speed 3055.0 MHz
FSB speed 235.0 MHz
multiplier 13.0x



Like I said... If there's anything else that might help.... let me know. I'm not asking for you to solve the puzzle FOR me, I want to learn as much about this as possible. I learned more from reading your Guide than I have from combing all the forums I've browsed in the last 4 years.

On a differnet note... I'm thinking that I'm gonna definately getting the DenebBE when it comes out in '09. My question is.... should I get the borad you're using? Or is there another board out (or coming out) that looks like an awesome or (dare I say it) better board for overclocking than yours? what about the Crosshair II Formula? I'll use my board first since it will support it, then get the new board later.

Another question.... Other than generating more heat which can be solved with a more efficient cooling setup, is there any other reason to stay away from the 140W versions of the Phenoms... present or future models?


Hope you have a good weekend
Benjamin

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JUMPERFREE CONFIGURATION

AI TUNING - [MANUAL]
OVERCLOCK OPTION - DISABLED (??what options do you have here?)
VDDA VOLTAGE - AUTO (just try not to take this any higher than 1.3V - lower is better unless needed for stability - affects NB/SB PLL)
MEMORY VOLTAGE - AUTO (this should be set manually to what your RAM is rated at - probably anywhere from 1.8V to 2.2V and you can bump it a *little* higher than stock if needed)
NF200 CHIP VOLTAGE - AUTO (this is your Southbridge Voltage and probably shouldn't be set any higher than 1.22 or 1.24V)
1.2 HT VOLTAGE - AUTO (HT Voltage - this can stay at 1.2 to 1.22 since you're probably not going to raise your HT beyond 2.2GHz)
NB CHIP VOLTAGE - AUTO (Voltage for the Northbridge - I've found that 1.3V does well with my board - but if you raise this, pay attention to your mobo's temp!!)
CPU-NB VOLTAGE - AUTO (CPU to Northbridge Voltage - the lower the better, but increase by .1 to .2V for stablity)
CPU-NB MULTIPLIER - AUTO (this ALWAYS has to be equal or HIGHER than your HT speed! Set to [11X] for 2200MHz)
CPU VOLTAGE - 1.4OOOV (never try to go higher than 1.4V unless you're on a suicide mission!)
CPU MULTIPLIER - 13x (you can change this one at will to whatever you want - changing the CPU multi can't hurt anything, worst case scenario is you bluescreen and have to reset your BIOS)
CPU FREQUENCY - 235 (same for this one, but raising this value also raises the HT, the NB as well as the RAM frequencies. You can probably safely take this to 240 (if it will do it anyway) without having to divide your RAM and drop your HT/NB multipliers)
PCIE CLOCK - 100 (don't never, ever, ever change this one - overclocking your PCI-E lanes will do nothing but blow your card up! - some people have said that they've found a *little* bit of performance increase by finding the 'sweet spot' for their board and card, but I definitely suggest against this!)

DRAM CONFIGURATION

MEMORY CLOCK FREQUENCY - DDR2 400 (You should be able to set this to 533 (or 1066) without any problems as long as your FSB is at 200 to 220)
TCL - AUTO (this, along with all 4 of the main latencies should be manually entered! - this one should probably be [5])
TRCD - AUTO [5]
TRP - AUTO [5]
TRAS - AUTO [18]
1T/2T MEMORY TIMING - AUTO (manually set this to 2T)
DRAM GANGED MODE - AUTO (currently unganged) (unganged is faster than ganged)
MEMORY HOLE REMAPPING - ENABLED (this is fine)
AI CLOCK SKEW - AUTO (Until you know how your RAM behaves, leave this alone - you should be able to see what the BIOS sets it to after a couple successful reboots while stabily overclocked...you can tweak these skew values to your liking, only BSOD or reboots are the worst that can happen here)


ADVANCED MEMORY SETTINGS

(leaving these on AUTO won't be a bad thing until you know more about how your memory reacts to overclocking)
TRC - AUTO
TWR - AUTO
TRRD - AUTO
TRWT - AUTO
TWTR - AUTO
TRTP - AUTO
TWRRD - AUTO
TWRWR - AUTO
TRDRD - AUTO
TREF - AUTO
TRFC - AUTO
DRAM TERMINATION - AUTO
DYNAMIC IDLE CYCLE COUNTER - AUTO
IDLE CYCLE LIMIT - AUTO
DCQ BYPASS MAXIMUM - AUTO
DRAM BURST LENGTH - AUTO
DRAM BANK INTERLEAVING - ENABLED
BANK SWIZZLE MODE - ENABLED

DRAM TIMING CONTROL

CKE FINE DELAY - AUTO
CKE SETUP TIME - AUTO
CS/ODT FINE DELAY - AUTO
CS/ODT SETUP TIME - AUTO
ADDRESS/COMMAND FINE DELAY - AUTO
ADDRESS/COMMAND SETUP TIME - AUTO
READ DQS TIMING CONTROL - AUTO
WRITE DATA TIMING CONTROL - AUTO
DQS RECEIVER ENABLE TIMING - AUTO

CPU CONFIGURATION

AMD VIRTUALIZATION - DISABLED
AMD CPU C1E SUPPORT - ENABLED (turn this off - this hinders performance but decreases temperature...better performance with it disabled)
AMD LIVE! - DISABLED
AND COOL 'n' FUNCTION - DISABLED
CPU INSTRUCTION FETCH - AUTO (You can turn this off - I believe this is your board's version of TLB fix, which your BE doesn't experience)
CPU TWEAK CONTROL - AUTO (leave this to auto - it will auto-shutdown if it needs to, but will increase performance while it's on, entering S1 to S3 states also decreases performance and temperatures)
PROCESSOR DOWNCORE - DISABLED (this disables individual cores of your CPU - useful if you want to run a Kuma tri-core setup for less power usage and temps!)

CHIPSET

HYBRID SUPPORT - DISABLED
ONBOARD GPU - AUTO (I have *no* experience with nVidia - I can't stand 'em, so hopefully someone with experience with onboard AND a PCI-E card will chime in)
iGPU CLOCK - 500
iGPU SHADER CLOCK - 1200
K8<->NB HT SPEED - 200MHz
K8<->NB HT WIDTH - AUTO
CPU SPREAD SPECTRUM - DISABLED
PCIE SPREAD SPECTRUM - DISABLED
SATA SPREAD SPECTRUM - DOWNSPREAD
PRIMARY DISPLAY ADAPTER - PCI-E

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On a differnet note... I'm thinking that I'm gonna definately getting the DenebBE when it comes out in '09. My question is.... should I get the borad you're using? Or is there another board out (or coming out) that looks like an awesome or (dare I say it) better board for overclocking than yours? what about the Crosshair II Formula? I'll use my board first since it will support it, then get the new board later.
If you're thinking about the jump to the Deneb when it comes out, don't. The newer and faster Deneb architecture will come out at the same time as the AM3 sockets (Q2-Q4 '09) and will trump the (almost) current architecture on delivery day. To my knowledge, the AM2+ version of the Deneb is backward compatible to AM2 socket, but will not work in the newer AM3 socket, whereas the AM3 Deneb will no be backward compatible to AM2/AM2+ sockets - so best to wait this one out until the newer socket becomes available.
(the AM3 socket is the one that the 'manufacturing example' Deneb is hitting 6.3GHz currently, so believe me when I say it's in progress and it won't be long)


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Another question.... Other than generating more heat which can be solved with a more efficient cooling setup, is there any other reason to stay away from the 140W versions of the Phenoms... present or future models?
Unless you're building a server where heat and power consumption have to be at a minimum, or unless you're worried about what your electric bill is going to be from month to month, there's no reason to worry about the 140W CPUs. In fact, just because they say they can use up to 140W doesn't mean they're going to, even when stressed. We did tons of testing and found that AMD/ATi has overrated these CPUs.

Good luck with all that!!!

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Default 11-24-2008, 02:45 | posts: 7 | Location: Sacramento, CA

DUDE, you are the man! Thank you so much for your help... Makes me want to beat your OC just to make you proud haha. After I eat dinner i'll start fussing with these and let you know the results.

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OVERCLOCK OPTION - DISABLED (??what options do you have here?)
this option is grayed out when AI TUNING is set to manual. When it is set to auto, it will un-gray and give the option to do 'auto overclocking' at 1%, 2%, 5%, 7%, and 10%. I did the 10% when i first got it. I think it got up to about 2800 or something like that.

I believe the AM3 you're referring to is the PhenomII X4 "945" Black Edition, not the "940" correct?

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Overclock Option - yeah...I was wondering if that was your board's version of Ai Tuning...leave that off forever and ever!

The P2X4 945 is exactly what I was referring to, and it's going to be a killllller!

Good luck with your OC Bro!

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Default not FSB but FTW - 11-25-2008, 06:26 | posts: 162 | Location: New Zealand

Psychlone! Oh worshipful master, oh great culinary, computing, communicator, please sir, at a time that suits your good self can you pass your omnipotent eye upon my problem?

In my M3A32 Deluxe with 9850.
Following your most sagely advice I have dropped the
CPU Multiplier
HT Link Speed
RAM Divider

Thinking oh goody my adventure in O/C land will start out with a hay and a ho and a hay nonny no. Only to find I couldn't even get the FSB past 210 before the Horned Ones servants turned my plans to a yellow milky dessert.

Also I wanted to have a gander at the stepping until I reminded myself that I had installed a TRUE and the idea of pulling the mobo out didn't appeal so I tried the advice you gave earlier to XRaptorX and kept dropping the voltage on the CPU to the point of no reboot and I got right down to 1.150.
But if what I understand is correct then it's the mobo that won't let me go past a measley 210 on the FSB not the CPU?

With a bit of my own tootling around I get the beast stable @ 2.8 @ 1.325 Volts and RAM @ 1066. So either my blond hair is showing and I have missed something or there is a greebly in some component, methinks the former.

Anyhoo regardless of any reply or advice I think I speak of behalf of everyone here, in issuing a big hoorah for your guide and help
   
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