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Default 10-19-2008, 03:12 | posts: 31 | Location: Florida, USA

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Default 10-19-2008, 03:18 | posts: 3

Ok, I've made some progress, didn't touch fsb, memory, htt, nb, just cpu voltage and cpu multiplier and so far 3.2 windows stable with 1.4V and 42 idle so I will now start orthos and go to sleep... See you...

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Default 10-19-2008, 03:21 | posts: 31 | Location: Florida, USA

Ok, that sounds about right...have a good night! Might need to bump the NB up some too though.

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@ Mrnjavi: What exactly weren't you understanding in the guide? Is there something that I need to reword or reiterate in it so it's easier to understand? (coming from 15+ years of overclocking, I probably automatically write in terms that I can easily understand, where others may struggle)

It looks like you've increased your CPU multi, which is really the best way to overclock the Phenom architecture, but you can still increase your FSB - which will in turn, increase the RAM's frequency, the HT's frequency as well as the NB's frequency...and you'll get even more performance out of your system.

I see that you've increased your VCORE (CPU Voltage) up to 1.4 and say that you're idle temps are at 42*C, but the statement "windows stable with 1.4V and 42 idle" means absolutely nothing - you need to be concerned about your LOAD temps. I could care less if someone can idle at sub zero...if your CPU gets up into the mid 60*C range under full-load, your idle temps mean diddly-squat.
Your AMD system will cook itself into a voided warranty quiche at about 68*C, so that's why the FULL-LOAD temperature is the only one that matters. Besides, you could also enable Cool n Quiet and drop your idle temps in half (literally) - but your full-load temps are still going to be the same as they are without CnQ.

While you're stress testing with Orthos, Prime, OCCT, or any other bench/stress mark, be paying attention to that full-load value. I seriously can't stress this enough!

On a side note, the only way to tell what settings are most efficient for your system is going to be testing. Run Everest Cache and Memory Benchmark before and after each change and you can clearly see your RAM's throughput and if what you've done makes it faster or not. Some systems function more efficiently with a high CPU speed and near stock RAM speeds/latencies, where others run more efficiently with a moderate CPU speed increase and faster RAM speeds/latencies...and you're the only one that 's going to be able to tell.

@ goitalone: Most OCZ memory is mostly hype IMO - people buy it up because of their marketing...they advertise some of the lowest latencies available on the market - which is great if you're not going to overclock them. Low latencies and faster than stock speeds generally don't go together, and it's my opinion that most OCZ memory are 'higher binned' sticks that have simply proven stable at the lower latencies...but try to overclock them and you get nowhere. - This doesn't mean that OCZ doesn't have good D9 sticks, they're just hard to find and I've never personally seen one.

When purchasing RAM, you can't just take a stab in the dark, or believe what everyone else says about a specific brand - you HAVE to do your research and find the specific revision of whatever brand of RAM you're looking for that has D9 ICs. Most RAM manufacturers have at least 1 set of sticks with D9 ICs - which means that they have a specific version of specific sticks that have Micron D9xx-Bxx memory chips on them - these are low-latency/high-efficiency chips (low voltage) that are usually only on a couple sets of RAM for each manufacturer...then they change the ICs to cheaper versions when price or other market factors make it more cost effective for them as a company.
Take my Corsair XMS 3202C2 v1.3 sticks in my A8R32-MVP Deluxe/Opteron 165 system - they're DDR400 (PC3200) sticks, but they're running at 583MHz @ 2.85V (3,3,3,8 1T), and have been at that speed for over 2 years. Version 1.5 and higher won't do that.
Then we have my Dominator 8500C5D v1.1 sticks in my M3A79-T Deluxe system - they're DDR2 1066 modules, but are more than capable of running at 1200MHz at stock voltage (2.1V) with almost the same low latencies that are stock for them. (5,5,5,15 2T)
BOTH sets of RAM were hand-picked by myself after doing proper research and finding exactly the version number that I wanted.

The D9 Buyer's Guide right here at Guru3D is a pretty comprehensive list to go through...also, RAMlist will give you an idea of the exact sticks that you'll want to purchase. (there's a different page for standard DDR (not DDR2) that shows the best ICs for them - they use a little different numbering/lettering scheme like TCCD or BH-5)

MOST people just buy RAM based solely on other's experiences, but have no idea that there are different versions of the same exact sticks (hence "Revision #") and the entire point to a successful overclock for RAM is to have sticks that *are* a specific version. Again, most RAM manufacturers have Micron D9 ICs in one of their sets of RAM, but there's going to be a specific version number attached to them - and that's what you need to look for. Otherwise, you're just taking a stab in the dark like I said - and hoping that you get something that you can overclock.


Hope that helps shed some light on RAM...it's pretty important to know these things when trying to overclock them!

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Default 10-19-2008, 23:28 | posts: 5 | Location: Mansfield TX

As per RAM, my OCZ Titanium XTC kits did me well up to the point that i couldnt get them to run at the advertised Timings of 4-4-4-12, my response from OCZ Support was when running more than one stick i may not be able to push the timings that tight.... I wondered why they sold them as a KIT and advertised the timings as such.. they also wouldnt respond to my requests for Technical assistance or RMA.... only good thing was that my DDR2 800 would run at 1000 with stock voltage and no adjustment to timings from 5-5-5-15.. when i got my Phenom i purchased Mushkin Ascent DDR2 1066, and they have done exactly what they stated they would and then some.. Also if NASA uses Mushkin, i feel pretty good buying from them too. : ) I've used some of Mushkins PC3200 kits and was very pleased and i also had one of there PSU for a long time and they have never let me down. After my Fiasco with OCZ im a Mushkin man for life. There a little more expensive but i'll gladly pay for less hassle any day. Happy Clocking Guys!


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Default 10-20-2008, 01:07 | posts: 3

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@ Mrnjavi: What exactly weren't you understanding in the guide? Is there something that I need to reword or reiterate in it so it's easier to understand? (coming from 15+ years of overclocking, I probably automatically write in terms that I can easily understand, where others may struggle)

It looks like you've increased your CPU multi, which is really the best way to overclock the Phenom architecture, but you can still increase your FSB - which will in turn, increase the RAM's frequency, the HT's frequency as well as the NB's frequency...and you'll get even more performance out of your system.

I see that you've increased your VCORE (CPU Voltage) up to 1.4 and say that you're idle temps are at 42*C, but the statement "windows stable with 1.4V and 42 idle" means absolutely nothing - you need to be concerned about your LOAD temps. I could care less if someone can idle at sub zero...if your CPU gets up into the mid 60*C range under full-load, your idle temps mean diddly-squat.
Your AMD system will cook itself into a voided warranty quiche at about 68*C, so that's why the FULL-LOAD temperature is the only one that matters. Besides, you could also enable Cool n Quiet and drop your idle temps in half (literally) - but your full-load temps are still going to be the same as they are without CnQ.

While you're stress testing with Orthos, Prime, OCCT, or any other bench/stress mark, be paying attention to that full-load value. I seriously can't stress this enough!

On a side note, the only way to tell what settings are most efficient for your system is going to be testing. Run Everest Cache and Memory Benchmark before and after each change and you can clearly see your RAM's throughput and if what you've done makes it faster or not. Some systems function more efficiently with a high CPU speed and near stock RAM speeds/latencies, where others run more efficiently with a moderate CPU speed increase and faster RAM speeds/latencies...and you're the only one that 's going to be able to tell.



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Thanks for big answer... English is not my native language so I take more time to understand some words, otherwise topic is great

My temp was writen not because i think my cpu is cool, it's because of lowest temp to start with Orthos, and stable windows because any other setting crashed vista at welcome screen ... I let Orthos run for 12 hours today and temp was 63 with no errors... I assume more is too much so I'll stay at that temp and cpu clock, it will be 50-55 in most apps and games...

I can't do anything with my fsb setting, bios can boot more than 3.4 but Vista can't load, only with fsb 200... I figured it out, my ACC setting in bios is problem, when ACC is disabled Vista load with fsb 220 so far but with lower cpu multiplier. I can't catch my best ACC setting (Disabled, Auto, All Cores, Per Core from -12 to +12)... To many things to calculate, my previous X2 5000+ was so easier to OC...

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Default 10-20-2008, 01:42 | posts: 31 | Location: Florida, USA

Thanks Psychlone, THAT is the kinda information I needed to hear. I had no idea revision #'s mattered so much for memory as well.

When you say you hand picked them, how exactly did you do that? Kinda impossible to hand pick them online right?

I have no local store to go hand pick stuff out or I would do so.
   
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Default 10-20-2008, 02:12 | posts: 31 | Location: Florida, USA

Um, I can't find any d9 ic micron RAM...it's like they quit making it.

Also, everything I have read keeps saying those chips die easier from overvoltage.

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Default 10-20-2008, 02:48 | posts: 31 | Location: Florida, USA

Where can I buy some of the Micron sticks...I want to buy some TONIGHT but I can't find any

I want 1066 2x2 GB or I guess even 4 x 1 GB is ok too.

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I give up, there aren't any
   
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Yeah - I have no way to do that either...conveniently. So, I made a trip to Las Vegas (about 3 1/2 hours) and went to the Fry's down there - I tell you, if they had rooms like the hotels, I'd stay THERE for vacations!!!!

Anyway, hand-picking can really only be done physically, and unless you know someone that works for an etailer, then your chances of getting what you want online are a little worse than chancing a good overclocking stepping CPU (because there's only so many CPU steppings, but there are a myriad of sticks of RAM and revisions) - I'd put it in the realm of >90% bad revision vs. <10% good (meaning that 10% or less chance you'd end up with a set of D9 sticks)

Something that I was going to mention but got sidetracked on that tangent, is the difference between 2 banks and 4 banks being populated with RAM sticks and the difference between 1GB sticks and 2GB (or higher) sticks for overclocking.

When you have 2 banks of your motherboard populated with sticks of RAM, it's easier for the on-die memory controller and the motherboard's bandwidth lanes to have access access the memory vs. having 3 or more banks populated - it's a bandwidth and *motherboard* latency issue.
Same holds true with 1GB sticks vs. 2GB (or higher) sticks - your motherboard simply cannot access the RAM as quickly because the of latencies involved (now I'm not talking about RAM latency, I'm talking about the speed at which the memory controller and motherboard can access the RAM as read, write and copy functions are happening.) - More gigabytes on more sticks is unhealthy for any kind of killer overclock, that will usually be the main limiting factor right under the CPU's stepping...but where most of us don't use 8GB, or populate 4 banks at a time, then it's almost a non-issue, but prevalent nonetheless.

The best overclocking will always be achieved with 1GB sticks (or 512 optimum) - and they would be spread across 2 channels rather than both in the same channel...this is what is referred to as "Dual-Channel Mode", and has *everything* to do with the latency of the motherboard. Not spreading those sticks across 2 separate channels INCREASES the latencies involved in any read/write/copy functions, as does higher GB sticks (single 4GB sticks)

I'd *always* rather have 2 banks populated than have all 4 banks of my motherboard populated (i.e. 2 X 2GB sticks vs. 4 X 1GB sticks) - but there's a hitch...Vista (and presumably Windows 7) already need 4GB of RAM, but the higher the GB stick, the higher the latency involved - and this also holds true for DDR vs. DDR2 vs. DDR3.

DDR2 1066 = 1066MHz with *general* latencies of 5,5,5,15
DDR3 1066 = 1066MHz with *general* latencies of 7,7,7,20

So, even though DDR3 sticks are rated at the same exact speed (in MHz) as the DDR2 sticks, the latencies are much higher. Now, DDR3 sticks have a much higher tolerance for higher MHz overclocking, so those DDR3 1066 sticks are capable of doing 1300MHz +, whereas the DDR2 sticks are going to top out at or below 1200MHz (generally speaking, of course)

Part of another tangent here: This is why I say to INCREASE the latencies of your RAM when overclocking...higher latencies are more tolerant of higher overclocks, but you're not leaving those latencies there, you're going to tighten them back up.

The entire point to RAM isn't the lowest latencies you can buy - it's *ALL* about the highest MHz you can achieve with the lowest latencies stable for that speed. - This is the most common mistake made by overclockers - veterans and newbies alike.
So, remember - make your RAM purchase based on the guidelines posted above - specific revision number that are documented D9 ICs and physically hand-picked, keeping in mind the exact amount in GB of RAM that you need), and when you get 'em, put them into separate channels (bank 1 and bank 3 usually or bank 2 and bank 4, but some motherboards have separate channels right next to each other)
Next step is going to be to LOOSEN (raise) all the latencies, followed by increasing the memory MHz by increasing the FSB (which runs up the HT & NB as well) and when you're done getting as much MHz as possible out of your sticks, TIGHTEN (lower) the latencies 1 at a time, rebooting in between each and every change until it won't pass POST, then raise that last value that caused the boot error and boot to Windows and test for stability.

Like I said, I've got 2GB (2 X 1GB) sticks of Corsair XMS3202C2 v1.3 sticks that have been running at 583MHz for over 2 years - not because I'm God (although if you'd like to think so, I'm ok with that ) - but because I did the research and found the exact revision of the RAM I wanted, then followed the latency tweaking all the way through. That RAM runs 8400MB/s read, 8100MB/s write, and 7800MB/s copy - right on par with my DDR2 1066 sticks as far as bandwidth - and they're only pumping just over half the MHz that the DDR2 sticks are!! - Point is, with proper research and tweaking, anyone can achieve astounding overclocks with their RAM...and I don't consider a system fully overclocked until the latencies have been addressed in their entirety.

Wow...I gotta write a book or something, I'm getting good at these long-winded posts!

Peace out Brothers!

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Default 10-20-2008, 05:30 | posts: 31 | Location: Florida, USA

Hey, I wish they did have motel rooms

I have thought for some time that we need some kind of new technology. Seems as if we are on some kinda technological plateau or something.

I do appreciate the long post and deailed explanation. My understanding was mostly correct with a lot of what you were explaining, but some things I didn't realize, such as the part about loosening then tightening again...really had no clue about that even after all I have read over the past couple years about OCing.

Looks like I'll never be able to get any D9 stuff if it is that hard to find.

I almost wish you hadn't mentioned it now lol.

Ehhh well!
   
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Default 10-20-2008, 07:08 | posts: 3,688 | Location: Searching for more light...

Whoa - it's not that hard to find - you just have to know what it is you want, and have the resources to get it, like walking into a Fry's or knowing someone that works for a business that can hand-pick them for you.

Don't give up - there are LOTS of people that have D9s - that's the entire point behind the D9 Buyer's Guide thread as well as the RAMlist website - so people can find exactly what they want. And, who knows, some of the smaller, more obscure etailers may just cherrypick those sticks for you if you ask!

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Will they match online competitor's pricing???

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Will they match online competitor's pricing???

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I doubt it

I just installed my new Asus mobo ( after waiting 2 weeks to get it shipped to the UK! ). Everything is running smoothly and I managed an instant 3.2Ghz on the 9950BE by just upping the vcore to 1.35 and the multi to 16.

100% stable in Prime for 8 hours so im quite impressed by this board ( As i expected it to be - i researched it well! ). Im trying to push it stable to 3.4ghz using air ( Noctua NH-U12P at low rpms ). On 3.2Ghz its coming in at 25'C on idle and about 38'C at load on Prime which im quite happy with.

Im trying 4.0 for the vcore on 3.4Ghz but im failing the 3rd core on Prime. Going to up it to +4 when i get home tonight. Is it worth going to + 6, all the rest + 2, if that still fails in Prime? Ill losen the Ram timings tonight to help the OC tonight too.

My biggest problem at the moment is trying to read my RAID drives and my IDEs at the same time in XP. I have XP on my 150Gb Raptor, a 1000Tb Seagate for storage, and then 2 500Gb Seagates on RAID 0. The problem with the M3A79-T is that it just swaps to either the RAID controller or the standard IDE one. No middle ground. Ive tried multiple options in the raid controller. Other people claim to have resolved this but they installed the OS onto their RAID drives. I have my OS on the single disk stand alone. It just hangs when trying to boot as the primary when i have the RAID option selected in the BIOS. Really struggling to resolve this and it would be more than fantastic if i could access the data on my RAID again

Any thoughts on the matter Psychlone?? Or anyone for that matter

Either way - this guide really helped me along on this mobo so thanks a buch for it! Overall im really impressed by this AMD CPU+MOBO combo. They are both the top AMD components on the market at the moment and cost a fraction of the Intel equivalent! And the performance is astonishing.

Went from a X2 6000+ @ 3.3Ghz with a Crosshair mobo to this new config and it was a big improvement. Crysis and Clear Sky are now WAY more smoother at the same and higher settings so im happy. And the improvement in SupCom is off the charts !
   
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Default 10-22-2008, 23:26 | posts: 31 | Location: Florida, USA

Exactly what I want is any good Micron chip ones. I don't care about the brand, but I do not know anyone so no point in trying.
   
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Default 10-22-2008, 23:47 | posts: 31 | Location: Florida, USA

Got my Noctura in Monday and had problem after problem after installing it.

You wouldn't believe what I went through....I was up 28 hours trying to get things all nice and tidy and figuring out one problem after another like the pull out tray cut one of my fan wires and I had to splice it back together....I was up so long I started getting confused and began losing things like my thumb screws for the back of my case and all kindsa other bs happened...drank 4 pots of coffee through the whole ordeal and was cursing demons everytime something went wrong.

I now realize the Antec 900 case is a great design and a terrible design both at the same time.

At the end of it all I left one screw out of my motherboard that I forgot to screw in because I was just to sick of everything to take out the heatsink after all I had already went through.

I am still mystified on how a normally 2 hours-to-do became 28.

End results are my CPU is cool so I am happy and I can now overclock to 3.33GHz and it doesn't crash and stays cool at CPU 45*C/ Core 32*C under load...haven't tried anything higher than 3.33GHz yet.
   
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Hey Psychlone, are these any good?
   
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Default ok so i have a question - 10-27-2008, 00:56 | posts: 2 | Location: Portland

ive been reading this forum and others for a long time now and trying what i learned (or think i learned..ha probably misunderstood something somewhere), but here is my question.

I have the following:

-Phenom 9950 2.6ghz (latest bios v1.5) Zalman 9500a Heatsink w/Arctic Silver 5
-MSI K9A2 Platinum
-Corsair 800mhz 4gb Ram
-Visiontek Radeon 4850
-500gb western digital drive
-850w Antec power supply

I have tried everything to get this Phenom to stretch its legs and cannot seem to get past 2.8ghz. Im lucky to get 2.8Ghz. So what am i doing wrong. I have tried setting my ram at different speeds, cpu voltages, nb voltages ect.. I think im misunderstanding somethings. If someone would be so kind to point me in the right direction and clarify a couple things and to suggest some base settings and how that applies would be amazing. thanks so much.
   
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Hey Psychlone, are these any good?
I can't find those in the RamList database of D9's, but that doesn't mean they're not Micron ICs...just means that Ramlist hasn't been updated for a bit, considering the highest MHz DDR2 CellShock is PC2 8000.
From the looks of the timings and the manufacturer part number, it's in sequence with the other Micron IC sticks that CellShock has out there, but the 'Rated 1150MHz @ 2.3-2.4V" throws me off a bit - I've not seen that before...but if they say that they're stable at 1150MHz, then you have recourse to RMA them if they're not...so I'd grab them! - At least you know you could hit 1150MHz with them!

@ ahoytharmatey: I'd venture to guess that your most limiting factor is your motherboard - but I have a biased opinion about MSI, and you should know that there are 2 other members on this forum alone that have had their K9 boards erupt in fire and spewing molten metal - *literally*. (you couldn't get me to run an MSI board if it came with controlling interest and stock in the damn company from my own bad experiences)

Anyway, first thing that I would ask you is "What's the stepping of the CPU?"
-Without knowing the CPU's stepping (you have to physically look at the top of the CPU itself - there's a series of letters/numbers that you need to write down or take a picture of) there's no way to tell you if 2.8GHz is the max for your CPU, or if it'll hit 3.6GHz...and there's no other way to retrieve the stepping information from anywhere else - you have to literally pull the CPU out and look at it.

Get back with the stepping information and we'll work from there...

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Default 10-27-2008, 03:36 | posts: 31 | Location: Florida, USA

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I can't find those in the RamList database of D9's, but that doesn't mean they're not Micron ICs...just means that Ramlist hasn't been updated for a bit, considering the highest MHz DDR2 CellShock is PC2 8000.
From the looks of the timings and the manufacturer part number, it's in sequence with the other Micron IC sticks that CellShock has out there, but the 'Rated 1150MHz @ 2.3-2.4V" throws me off a bit - I've not seen that before...but if they say that they're stable at 1150MHz, then you have recourse to RMA them if they're not...so I'd grab them! - At least you know you could hit 1150MHz with them!

Yeah, I thought that was kinda scary with 2.3 - 2.4v because I read someplace that anything over 2.1 will like burn out a Phenom or something. You ever hear anything like that? I don't wanna burn up my CPU with that stuff!

I ordered those CellShock already a few days ago nevertheless. If they suck, I will just get something else later on, but at least I should be at 1066 or 1150.

One other thing is...I set my DDR2-800 OCZ 2GB sticks to 1066 after trying all kindsa settings and configurations that simply wouldn't work. Now it seems to work perfect and stable @ 3316.5 with memory auto setting themselves to 5-7-7-20CR2 @ 2.1v, I am just afraid they are going to explode lol!

DRAM:FSB ratio is at 16:6 so that's not too great though I guess.

Should I set them back? How dangerous is it like I have it with th DDR2-800 @ 1066?

Here's a screen shot if yer bored.

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Nothing could possibly happen aside from frying the RAM itself - it's not going to take anything else with it...and that includes the CPU.

Having your DDR2 800 sticks running at 1066 is fantastic - that's a 266MHz overclock! You sure you want those CellShock anyway? - In any case, you should be happy with the CellShock sticks - even if you end up running them at 2.4V, the only things that can get damaged are the sticks themselves, and at < $60, you're not out much!
(good job on the overclock!)

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Default 10-27-2008, 08:56 | posts: 31 | Location: Florida, USA

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Nothing could possibly happen aside from frying the RAM itself - it's not going to take anything else with it...and that includes the CPU.

Having your DDR2 800 sticks running at 1066 is fantastic - that's a 266MHz overclock! You sure you want those CellShock anyway? - In any case, you should be happy with the CellShock sticks - even if you end up running them at 2.4V, the only things that can get damaged are the sticks themselves, and at < $60, you're not out much!
(good job on the overclock!)

Psychlone
Hey, thanks!

It's been fun...I really have been enjoying my new Phenom setup

I don't really care if the sticks go too much, so long as nothing else can get damaged, so thanks for the reply on that...I was getting scared not knowing, lol!

Btw, I was able to take it a step further right after I posted that last message.

For the first time, I was able to get through 3DMark06 @ 3.41Ghz without crashing and beat my personal high score.....got 15287 3D Marks. Wonder what I'd have gotten with an 4870 X2. Hmmm.....

Anyway, I'm sure it probably wasn't 100% stable (especially by your standards) but if I can make it through 3DMark06, I am generally happy. I realize it's an old and out of dater, but that CPU test really is a killer. I found I needed to bump the NB voltage up a few past the vcore...that's what got me through.

Also, I am now pretty much convinced I cannot go any further than 3.4Ghz after trying everything I could to get past it.

Was able a few times to boot into Vista after trying quite a few different settings @ 3.5Ghz but it just couldn't take it.

Not disappointed at all about that though since I was able to reach an 800 MHz OC. Just feel satisfied that I have found the limit of my CPU finally.

I still don't get the ACC thing, it never once had any postive effect on any of my overclocks. Disabling it has always been best for me.

Anyways, I am going to drink my last beer and hit the sack!

Night!
   
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Default 10-28-2008, 23:34 | posts: 2 | Location: Portland

Psychlone: i dont have the actual numbers for my phenom, i will look tonight, but if i remember correctly, i believe it is stepping B3.
   
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Default 10-30-2008, 19:27 | posts: 1

Hello
Help me for overclock system
I have AMD Phenom 9950 BE and M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WIFI-AP and ATI SAPPHIRE 4870 and 2x2GB Ballestix CL4 800 but i can't overclock up 3.00GHZ

please Help me for voltages and Freq for mainboard for up overclock
   
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