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^^How it looks like under the hood:
A far cry from the ZXR indeed.
   
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Default 06-17-2017, 10:41 | posts: 1,266

Where is the DSP and DAC?!
   
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Default 06-17-2017, 11:40 | posts: 10,243 | Location: United states of Kingdom

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Where is the DSP and DAC?!
They are on the card.
Odd question.
   
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Default 06-17-2017, 11:48 | posts: 5,077

What's the Power Connector for, is that required?

Cuz my ZxR just gets Power from PCI-E... even the daughter board passes thru the mainboard. No extra cables needed.
   
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Default 06-17-2017, 12:14 | posts: 12,913 | Location: Finland

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What's the Power Connector for, is that required?

Cuz my ZxR just gets Power from PCI-E... even the daughter board passes thru the mainboard. No extra cables needed.
I think it's for the LEDs. I'm not sure if it's required.
   
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Default 06-26-2017, 20:55 | posts: 212 | Location: Ghent, Belgium

While indeed about 0.01% of us here own DSD or other 32Bit files, I fail to see the general point of this. It might combine this ultra high end feature of playing 32bit lossless and mediocre gaming sound.

We're even going back in innovation.
No optical out ( I might be wrong, but is there even a digital out? )
No swappable OpAmps ( by this day I expected swappable caps )
Gimmicky LED's because they take us for gullible teenagers.
Ultra high-end playback with added inner PC noise.

Well, to each it's own. To the guys wanting/buying this: I'm still curious of how your review and rate it compared to last gen soundcards which didn't offer that much innovation over the cards before that anyway. I'm curious and would LOVE to be proven wrong.

If I'm allowed to formulate this rather arrogantly: Wake me when games use HiFi soundformats at 24/96 and/or present us with new levels of audio immersion that would throw me off my chair.
The GSX1000 was promising but failed to deliver in features and flexibility.

Ahwell, I crave this feeling I had trying the nforce 2 soundstorm and after that X-Fi Xtreme music. Most things after were pretty disappointing.

Am I spoiled?
   
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Default 06-27-2017, 02:27 | posts: 19,966 | Location: US East Coast

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While indeed about 0.01% of us here own DSD or other 32Bit files, I fail to see the general point of this. It might combine this ultra high end feature of playing 32bit lossless and mediocre gaming sound.

We're even going back in innovation.
No optical out ( I might be wrong, but is there even a digital out? )
No swappable OpAmps ( by this day I expected swappable caps )
Gimmicky LED's because they take us for gullible teenagers.
Ultra high-end playback with added inner PC noise.

Well, to each it's own. To the guys wanting/buying this: I'm still curious of how your review and rate it compared to last gen soundcards which didn't offer that much innovation over the cards before that anyway. I'm curious and would LOVE to be proven wrong.

If I'm allowed to formulate this rather arrogantly: Wake me when games use HiFi soundformats at 24/96 and/or present us with new levels of audio immersion that would throw me off my chair.
The GSX1000 was promising but failed to deliver in features and flexibility.

Ahwell, I crave this feeling I had trying the nforce 2 soundstorm and after that X-Fi Xtreme music. Most things after were pretty disappointing.

Am I spoiled?
How do you get that there's no optical out? There's a toslink connector on the card. That's digital/optical. There's even 3 images that clearly show the toslink connector. The fact you can't recognize a toslink connector, invalids anything else you could possibly say here... Also, wtf would anyone waste their money on a dedicated sound card just to bypass the DAC by using a digital output? It's going to sound no better than using onboard audio.


   
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Default 06-27-2017, 08:45 | posts: 675

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How do you get that there's no optical out? There's a toslink connector on the card. That's digital/optical. There's even 3 images that clearly show the toslink connector. The fact you can't recognize a toslink connector, invalids anything else you could possibly say here... Also, wtf would anyone waste their money on a dedicated sound card just to bypass the DAC by using a digital output? It's going to sound no better than using onboard audio.
Epic. Believe me there are tons of people doing it. Even those with premium cards double or triple the cost. Only I can accept their madness is because of latest software giving you the option to use enhancements through S/PDIF.
   
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Default 06-27-2017, 11:18 | posts: 706 | Location: Good-food-land

Drea Creative, if I have a still very valid X-Fi Titanium with Optical IN/OUT and native analog 7.1 (or a Titanium HD or ZxR or an Auzentech X-Fi card or a Asus sound card etc..), why should I buy THIS card? I hope not for leds or fake 7.1 or meaningless 32-bit/384Khz (and I really doubt this will bring any improvement for beginners experimenting the first time audio creation content without buying something professional..).

I want a damn good multichannel (no upmix crap) analog card, with working and coherent software, good stereo headphones support at a decent price. Nothing more, nothing less. No upmix crap options for fake sorround et similia, which also clashes with games own mix engines. No leds, no fata1ty bullcrap etc...

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Default 06-29-2017, 04:42 | posts: 5,919 | Location: Southfield,MI

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Drea Creative, if I have a still very valid X-Fi Titanium with Optical IN/OUT and native analog 7.1 (or a Titanium HD or ZxR or an Auzentech X-Fi card or a Asus sound card etc..), why should I buy THIS card? I hope not for leds or fake 7.1 or meaningless 32-bit/384Khz (and I really doubt this will bring any improvement for beginners experimenting the first time audio creation content without buying something professional..).

I want a damn good multichannel (no upmix crap) analog card, with working and coherent software, good stereo headphones support at a decent price. Nothing more, nothing less. No upmix crap options for fake sorround et similia, which also clashes with games own mix engines. No leds, no fata1ty bullcrap etc...
You shouldn't as the card is not aimed at you in the first place, If you need 7.1 asus has an couple of cards that do have 7.1 such as the Asus soar and DLX, I know the Soar has it as I had it for an while before switching to an ZXR for an while. While the Soar uses the same hp amp as the ZXR, they are slowy moving to other IC's for their headphone amp since the DLX uses an pair of LME9600s for it headphone amp instead of the commonly used ones on the higher model of cards.

When it comes to creative you may not get what you want regardless due to the issue with most PC speakers that are out or being released are either 2.0 or 5.1. Which means unless 7.1 PC speakers make an return since thats what it seems creative and some companies only care about, I doubt creative will start putting 7.1 muiti channel back on there cards to pull in receiver users and 7.1 headset users(yes those people exist too). You may have to look else where for that such as the two asus cards I mentioned.

The lights doesn't bother me at all as they can be turned off in the software, and even if they couldn't nothing that black tape couldn't fix.

no offense but I disagree on the card being useless, it might not fit your wants and needs. But it might fit some one else and they don't have to be an noob or just starting out in audio to find the card useful to them. Going with an pro recording box won't help you if you also game too as you won't have any of the features of the sound card that you may want.

It be something difference if you happen to not care for any of the virtual headphone or any other features that is on the card. But there are people that will and this card would fit the needs of those people.

The card fits what I been looking for months now without having to spend a lot for it and without having to have two separate products running to my jotunheim. Now I won't have to buy something like an SMSL M8 Dac and an sound card with the features an then run optical into the M8 and switch between inputs, because I have done that in the pass and its annoying and an mess of cables. Now it doesn't have DSD but The dac chip supports DSD so i really doubt creative even know, unless they have tried. But I can always convert DSD to PCM when I start getting more DSD albums.



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Epic. Believe me there are tons of people doing it. Even those with premium cards double or triple the cost. Only I can accept their madness is because of latest software giving you the option to use enhancements through S/PDIF.
You have to take into account that these people also may own 5.1 and 7.1 speakers, receivers,Headsets and are also using the card to send the gaming features to there external setups, or already had the card from an prior setup and instead of taking the trouble of selling the card and moving down to an lessor card, they move it over to there new setup. I have seen people with setups that included both 5.1 PC speakers, or even muiti driver headsets on the sound card and studio monitors on external dac.

I won't say that people don't as I have seen people mentioned that they bought an sound blaster ZXR or DLX or HT omega claro II just to pair it with an external dac/amp without ever using the actual analog outputs on the card, which is indeed an waste and is just plain silly.

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Default 06-30-2017, 18:24 | posts: 1,978 | Location: Minnesota

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While indeed about 0.01% of us here own DSD or other 32Bit files, I fail to see the general point of this. It might combine this ultra high end feature of playing 32bit lossless and mediocre gaming sound.

We're even going back in innovation.
No optical out ( I might be wrong, but is there even a digital out? )
No swappable OpAmps ( by this day I expected swappable caps )
Gimmicky LED's because they take us for gullible teenagers.
Ultra high-end playback with added inner PC noise.

Well, to each it's own. To the guys wanting/buying this: I'm still curious of how your review and rate it compared to last gen soundcards which didn't offer that much innovation over the cards before that anyway. I'm curious and would LOVE to be proven wrong.

If I'm allowed to formulate this rather arrogantly: Wake me when games use HiFi soundformats at 24/96 and/or present us with new levels of audio immersion that would throw me off my chair.
The GSX1000 was promising but failed to deliver in features and flexibility.

Ahwell, I crave this feeling I had trying the nforce 2 soundstorm and after that X-Fi Xtreme music. Most things after were pretty disappointing.

Am I spoiled?
OMG not that. LED's. Just terrible. You know you can just turn them off right.. What a bunch of haters..
   
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OMG not that. LED's. Just terrible. You know you can just turn them off right.. What a bunch of haters..
Is it possible to turn off the LEDs on the SB-Z?


   
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Default 06-30-2017, 22:16 | posts: 1,978 | Location: Minnesota

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Is it possible to turn off the LEDs on the SB-Z?
I'm gonna go with.. YES!
   
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Is it possible to turn off the LEDs on the SB-Z?
no, you have to tape up the light on the sb-z or remove it.
   
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Default 07-01-2017, 01:21 | posts: 19,966 | Location: US East Coast

Yeah, I did some searching and those appear to be the only solutions. The LEDs appear to be hardwired to a power circuit. I guess if I decide to reinstall the card, I'll just snip the LEDs off the board.


   
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Default 07-02-2017, 14:30 | posts: 212 | Location: Ghent, Belgium

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How do you get that there's no optical out? There's a toslink connector on the card. That's digital/optical. There's even 3 images that clearly show the toslink connector. The fact you can't recognize a toslink connector, invalids anything else you could possibly say here... Also, wtf would anyone waste their money on a dedicated sound card just to bypass the DAC by using a digital output? It's going to sound no better than using onboard audio.
I did indeed look over it. I do recognise them, c'mon man...
I was looking for a digital Coax/toslink connection like on the Essence I have
I made a mistake in my post and OBVIOUSLY the rest of the post has been rendered null? That the way you look at the rest of the world?

So... kindly re-read my post now, now I've rectified my error?


goat1, thanks for, like above, taking one element of my post, making me look ridiculous and nullifying the rest of the post.
LED's are not a big deal. Non functional, only there for sales.
I have an opinion on LEDS, am I allowed, yeah?
Have something constructive to say, will ye?
   
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Default 07-05-2017, 22:37 | posts: 1,978 | Location: Minnesota

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I did indeed look over it. I do recognise them, c'mon man...
I was looking for a digital Coax/toslink connection like on the Essence I have
I made a mistake in my post and OBVIOUSLY the rest of the post has been rendered null? That the way you look at the rest of the world?

So... kindly re-read my post now, now I've rectified my error?


goat1, thanks for, like above, taking one element of my post, making me look ridiculous and nullifying the rest of the post.
LED's are not a big deal. Non functional, only there for sales.
I have an opinion on LEDS, am I allowed, yeah?
Have something constructive to say, will ye?
This is what you said..
LED's are not a big deal. Non functional, only there for sales.

LED's rock, if you don't like them, for everyone's sake, don't comment on it.
   
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Talking 07-07-2017, 02:03 | posts: 34

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Where is the DSP and DAC?!
kinda reminds me of that very old wendys com. " where's the beef " ROFL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riH5EsGcmTw
   
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https://us.creative.com/p/sound-card...-blasterx-ae-5



The Sound BlasterX AE-5 is a SABRE32 Ultra Class PCIe DAC which is perfect for hi-resolution audio for games, music, and movies.

It delivers up to 32-bit 384kHz playback with a 122dB SNR, ultra-low distortion and jitter.
i wanna know it is a free or pay product?
   
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It doesnt have a 122dB SNR.
So that bit cant be free or bought with this.

Aside from that, you need to buy it.

ps the DAC chip they buy for the card has a dynamic range of 122dB, not the same thing.
   
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It doesnt have a 122dB SNR.
So that bit cant be free or bought with this.

Aside from that, you need to buy it.

ps the DAC chip they buy for the card has a dynamic range of 122dB, not the same thing.
So what is the actual rating of the card?


   
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They havent released it yet, we wont know until reviews come in.
   
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I think I'll just stay with my xfi titanium hd for now, but good to see them evolving.
   
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