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Default 01-31-2014, 20:09 | posts: 1,222 | Location: Idaho

Unfortunately, the Paradigm Sub2 was measured at only 94.7dB @ 10Hz, so 112 would only be possible with a huge amount of room gain.

http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=69&mset=75

Looks like my sub is down 2dB compared to the Paradigm at 10Hz. They are tied at 16Hz, and mine has a 2-4dB advantage from 20Hz up to 80Hz. Kind of sad that that is what you get for $10,000.

I'm sure there are quite a few commercially available subs that beat it, because at that price range you can start looking at Danley, JTR, etc. A DTS-10 for example has a 12dB advantage at 16Hz, according to data-bass. JTR makes subs called Orbit Shifter's that I can't find a graph on, but am sure have some serious output (horn loaded high xmax 18" subs).

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Default 01-31-2014, 20:33 | posts: 4,509 | Location: Australia

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Unfortunately, the Paradigm Sub2 was measured at only 94.7dB @ 10Hz, so 112 would only be possible with a huge amount of room gain.

http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=69&mset=75

Looks like my sub is down 2dB compared to the Paradigm at 10Hz. They are tied at 16Hz, and mine has a 2-4dB advantage from 20Hz up to 80Hz. Kind of sad that that is what you get for $10,000.

I'm sure there are quite a few commercially available subs that beat it, because at that price range you can start looking at Danley, JTR, etc. A DTS-10 for example has a 12dB advantage at 16Hz, according to data-bass. JTR makes subs called Orbit Shifter's that I can't find a graph on, but am sure have some serious output (horn loaded high xmax 18" subs).
They're paid by the other sub manufacturers...
   
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Default 02-03-2014, 07:13 | posts: 2,665 | Location: Austin Tx

???? explain

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Default 02-03-2014, 15:39 | posts: 4,509 | Location: Australia

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???? explain
So, What Rebel is trying to tell us is that an unknown website's measurements is so accurate, that we should definiately conclude that Paradigm's claims is so wrong? The unknown website is of course the most accurate? I can show you other website's that have measurements to conclude the Sub 2 can indeed output 112db @10hz and hold it's own
   
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Default 02-03-2014, 20:11 | posts: 1,222 | Location: Idaho

Data-bass/Josh Ricci are well known entities in the DIY audio/home theater world.

In his Audioholics review for the Sub2 he got ~104dB @ 10Hz in his room. The ~94dB result was when he was measuring it outside. 112 would be possible in the right room.

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Default 02-04-2014, 08:09 | posts: 2,665 | Location: Austin Tx

i asked what u meant by "They're paid by the other sub manufacturers..." so u just made this up for what reason. ricci is a nice guy he tests all these subs in the same conditions for free and u go and bash him without knowing **** . your a damn fool as usual
   
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Default 02-06-2014, 10:33 | posts: 747 | Location: Peoples Republic of Kalifornia

I've got a Mirage Audio Omni S-10 subwoofer. 200w RMS 800 watts Dynamic. 21-120hz (3dB).

It's one amazing sub.

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Technically and commercially available, this is the best sub, 112db@ 10hz and 126db@ 60hz awesomely great
pic of yours or you don't own it!


As for VERY high end audio gear, check out what my friend had me go with him to pick up a couple weeks ago...






now i'm no expert on stuff this high end but it's my understanding these Mark Levinson monoblock amplifiers are pretty much the holy grail. the downside is i tweaked my lower back moving them. damn things are like 70lbs each.
   
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Default 02-06-2014, 10:47 | posts: 4,509 | Location: Australia

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I've got a Mirage Audio Omni S-10 subwoofer. 200w RMS 800 watts Dynamic. 21-120hz (3dB).

It's one amazing sub.



pic of yours or you don't own it!


As for VERY high end audio gear, check out what my friend had me go with him to pick up a couple weeks ago...






now i'm no expert on stuff this high end but it's my understanding these Mark Levinson monoblock amplifiers are pretty much the holy grail. the downside is i tweaked my lower back moving them. damn things are like 70lbs each.
Ouch, I hear ya, I did my lower back 6 months ago, 5 discs dislodged It's almost healed now, but I was popping IBUPROFEN 24/7 for a while... Now, those Monoblocks look like something from audio heaven lol High End definately, nice 1

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Default 02-08-2014, 17:45 | posts: 1,222 | Location: Idaho

I'm actually getting in to the final finishing stages for another UXL-18 sub. The box is fully assembled, but I am waiting on feet, binding posts, etc. I am also waiting on the actual sub itself. I should have it in < 1 month.

Here's a shot of me assembling it with only 2 short clamps. (I've ordered a brad nailer to make doing this sort of stuff much easier in the future)


   
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Default 02-09-2014, 06:43 | posts: 4,509 | Location: Australia

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I'm actually getting in to the final finishing stages for another UXL-18 sub. The box is fully assembled, but I am waiting on feet, binding posts, etc. I am also waiting on the actual sub itself. I should have it in < 1 month.

Here's a shot of me assembling it with only 2 short clamps. (I've ordered a brad nailer to make doing this sort of stuff much easier in the future)


Awesome, 2 of those in the same room, would be one of the best ever Be sure to do some measurements, very interested to hear what they sound like

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Just waiting on the Duratex to dry... oh, and to receive my second UXL-18.


   
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Default 02-21-2014, 18:56 | posts: 8,163 | Location: Netherlands

I've had a M-Audio SBX10 subwoofer until my financial situtation went very very wrong and had to sell everything.

It was the best sub i've ever had, it was very loud, deep and very tight, it could shake the walls of the whole house lol it was insane.

But now i've got a income again, i might be able to get the setup i've had again next week.

Example pic of how it looks, it's not mine.

It's pretty massive.

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Default 04-08-2014, 20:49 | posts: 484 | Location: Albany, NY

Seriously, for you bass heads out there, you need to read this article. All is I can say is WOW!

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1525580/ht...-ultimate-bass


As for myself, I'm more then happy with my recently purchased Outlaw LFM-1 EX Sub woofer.
   
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Default 04-08-2014, 23:08 | posts: 1,222 | Location: Idaho

^Heh, I was following along during the build thread. The guy's setup is beastly for sure. I am very jealous.
   
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Default 04-09-2014, 05:03 | posts: 4,509 | Location: Australia

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Seriously, for you bass heads out there, you need to read this article. All is I can say is WOW!

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1525580/ht...-ultimate-bass


As for myself, I'm more then happy with my recently purchased Outlaw LFM-1 EX Sub woofer.
Incredible, thanks for sharing that @Rebel, your setup is just as good imo

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Default 04-09-2014, 19:54 | posts: 1,222 | Location: Idaho

Hah. I don't agree. Having measured my system recently I have issues between 0-40Hz and 60-100Hz.

I tried implementing a 12" sub to take out a 20dB drop at 35Hz but all it did was shift the drop to another region.

I could be running a sine wave at 50Hz and get 100dB, for example. I then turn the 12" sub up to max and now I'm only measuring 93dB. It's driving me crazy. My room is terrible for bass.
   
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Default 04-10-2014, 02:00 | posts: 4,509 | Location: Australia

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Hah. I don't agree. Having measured my system recently I have issues between 0-40Hz and 60-100Hz.

I tried implementing a 12" sub to take out a 20dB drop at 35Hz but all it did was shift the drop to another region.

I could be running a sine wave at 50Hz and get 100dB, for example. I then turn the 12" sub up to max and now I'm only measuring 93dB. It's driving me crazy. My room is terrible for bass.
Have you tried adjusting the phase settings for each sub, maybe push, pull ?

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Default 04-10-2014, 07:31 | posts: 1,222 | Location: Idaho

Yeah, unfortunately all I can do is make it worse.
   
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Default 04-11-2014, 12:18 | posts: 4,509 | Location: Australia

Have you tried room treatment, such as reflective wall material?

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Default 04-11-2014, 15:05 | posts: 484 | Location: Albany, NY

This is very interesting 7 part series of tuning the Infinity IRSis. It's a 7 part series, you can skip to part 7 to find out what they did to get rid of their bass hump.

I remember reading about the Infinity IRSis back in the day when Infinity made great speakers, only wished to have to money to get these.

Part 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOmy...EAs0Ers3x0A5rG

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPazywXrqJo

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Default 04-11-2014, 18:36 | posts: 11,487 | Location: Finland

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Hah. I don't agree. Having measured my system recently I have issues between 0-40Hz and 60-100Hz.

I tried implementing a 12" sub to take out a 20dB drop at 35Hz but all it did was shift the drop to another region.

I could be running a sine wave at 50Hz and get 100dB, for example. I then turn the 12" sub up to max and now I'm only measuring 93dB. It's driving me crazy. My room is terrible for bass.
Sounds like a standing wave problem there.
http://www.audioholics.com/room-acou...om-acoustics-1
   
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Default 04-11-2014, 19:01 | posts: 383 | Location: Montana

Quick question for those more knowledgeable than me (all of you) - I'm trying to find a rattle in my sub. I'm using an OLD Logitech Z-5300e speaker system.
During sustained bass/reverb, everything sounds great. It will rumble the walls & floor and completely fill a room with deep sound. Best I can describe this is the underlaying bass-guitar in music.
But a hard single note, like the foot pedal of a drum set, causes a rattle sound from the sub. Sounds both wooden & metalic. I have Pandora going right now, and "Carry On" by Fun. is playing, and I'm not hearing a single rattle from it. Right before that, "Poker Face" was rattling up a storm.
I tried playing with the Bass Redirection in the Sound Blaster software, without much luck. Starting at 80Hz and moving to about 140Hz I can cut back on the rattle, but the music sounds lifeless and flat.

Any tips from anyone (aside from getting a new system) before I start digging into the sub itself? I'd rather have some idea of what to look for before I accidentally mess something up.
   
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Quick question for those more knowledgeable than me (all of you) - I'm trying to find a rattle in my sub. I'm using an OLD Logitech Z-5300e speaker system.
During sustained bass/reverb, everything sounds great. It will rumble the walls & floor and completely fill a room with deep sound. Best I can describe this is the underlaying bass-guitar in music.
But a hard single note, like the foot pedal of a drum set, causes a rattle sound from the sub. Sounds both wooden & metalic. I have Pandora going right now, and "Carry On" by Fun. is playing, and I'm not hearing a single rattle from it. Right before that, "Poker Face" was rattling up a storm.
I tried playing with the Bass Redirection in the Sound Blaster software, without much luck. Starting at 80Hz and moving to about 140Hz I can cut back on the rattle, but the music sounds lifeless and flat.

Any tips from anyone (aside from getting a new system) before I start digging into the sub itself? I'd rather have some idea of what to look for before I accidentally mess something up.
Sounds like you're reaching the limits of your sub. Did you use bass redirection and set your satts to small? Then set the frequency to 120hz...

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Default 04-11-2014, 20:22 | posts: 1,222 | Location: Idaho

Wall treatments/etc. are definitely on my list of things to get. But it'll be a while before I have some for sure.
   
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Default 04-11-2014, 20:34 | posts: 383 | Location: Montana

I have the "Full Range speakers" option Unchecked, both in SB & Windows configs, so I assume that's what you mean by setting them to small. Normally I don't use the Bass Redirection, as I spend most of my time gaming, and I don't seem to hear any rattles with that.
Will set the bass slider to 120 and see/hear how that works.
Also, what purpose is the "Bass gain" in the Sound Blaster software? It's only available when the Bass Redirect is on, but seems to add a little bit of life back into the sound. Or is it just a 'halfway' option between the bass redirect slider & default?
   
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