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Default 03-25-2007, 22:26 | posts: 6,865 | Location: GTA, Ontario, Canada

I'm running Beryl on my rig with OpenSUSE x64. Nice and smooth. The only thing I can say about Beryl is make sure you download the current stable release and not the snapshot. The snapshot release is not entirely unstable. I got the white screen of death (as I like to call it) upon reboot. For those who don't know, the WSOD is when the OpenGL based effects fail to initialize, the desktop pops up for a split second and then you're greeted with a blank white screen.

If you consider yourself relatively good with computers but don't like hassle, OpenSUSE is probably the best distro I've tried. Running KDE, it's definitely the most Windows like. YAST2 is built in so you rarely, if ever need to use the terminal. If you want to use a KDE based distro, this one's my favourite so far. It's currently #2 on Distrowatch.

Just a note about some distros. Not all of them contain native MP3 and copy-protected DVD support. This is due to patent issues in the US, therefore US based distros lack support. Royalties would cost too much so they're not included in order to keep their distro free. OpenSUSE is one of these. Third party support is available for these operating systems though.
   
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Default 05-07-2007, 12:20 | posts: 1,597 | Location: UK

OK, I have just installed sabayon and I must say, I am sick to my stomach.

Now I want to know this, I want to install linux

* I dont want to use the terminal to often...thinking of sabayon...."BARF"..
* I want to play games
* I want to be able to use custom bootsplash and themes...sabayon again..."BARF"
* I want to use beryl and I am a complete linux noob so, which would be the best distro to use, exept sabayon...."BARF" consideribg the above...

Please...

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Default 05-07-2007, 13:23 | posts: 16,441 | Location: Locked in Guru3D Server Room. Help!

If you want to play games, stick to Windows.

Terminals = Linux, sometimes it's just quicker to use a terminal.

Try Ubuntu, although I hate the distro now, they have some serious quality control issues.

I suggest PCBSD, not linux but Unix, but it's a lot nicer than Ubuntu, plus it's more stable.
   
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Default 05-07-2007, 22:23 | posts: 1,597 | Location: UK

OK, I have just gone through Sabayon, Ubuntu 7.04 and Opensuse 10.2 and I must say...THEY ALL SUCK @SS!!!!

Ubuntu freezes up just after clean install

Opensuse 10.2 installs fine but when I boot it it turns off my monitor and that is that....

So...that is a wrap for Linux, maybe in about 10 years when they might start working as a OS and not a work in progress
   
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Default 05-07-2007, 22:50 | posts: 16,441 | Location: Locked in Guru3D Server Room. Help!

What do you expect, it's a free OS.

You have to understand that Linux isn't the kind of OS you put on, and then it works straight away, there's a lot of things that need to be tuned and configured.

Not sure what you're so angry about, I mean, not like you paid for it.

It's exactly why I don't think Linux is ready for the desktop, it's passable at the moment, but not exactly something that' going to take on OS X or Windows.
   
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Default 05-08-2007, 00:17 | posts: 734

You guys are very wrong here, Linux is very ready for the desktop, and many things work very well right from the start.

Granted you might have to tweak one or two things, but then it's working.

Even when you install Windows, you still have to install drivers to get things working properly also, video, LAN, etc....

Linux can and does take on the likes of OSX, and Windows, and as far as Windows goes Linux stability is far superior, plus the fact there are no viruses, and spyware in the wild for Linux.

keenan all you need is a little patience, Linux doesn't suck, it's your lack of experience that sucks, don't blame the OS for your ignorance.

Grow up!
   
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Default 05-08-2007, 00:22 | posts: 16,441 | Location: Locked in Guru3D Server Room. Help!

Hey, I love Linux, don't get me wrong, but there's no way it's ready for primetime on everyones machines.

Security yes, heaps of programs out there.

But grandma isn't going to be interested in why a package she tried to install didn't work because the configure didn't complete properly.

She doesn't want to have to remove the work directory and start compiling again with different flags.

Alot of the package management things are getting quite good, but it's still not a matter of going to a website, downloading the program and dropping it into your Applications Folder or running through a Double Click install.

That's where it fails as a desktop, ease of use for nearly every program.
   
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Default 05-08-2007, 00:25 | posts: 734

You say Linux isn't prime time, what does that mean, give us an example, and I can show you things that you can't do as well with other systems.

Granted the software world in some areas of Linux might not be big, but then it also has software that Windows doesn't, so there is always a pro & con.

Sure packages installs can be a bit more involved, but with systems like Ubuntu that take the guess work out of dependencies, they get installed along with what you need.

I'm not saying Linux is a perfect world, neither is Windows, they both have their good, and bad, but to say Linux isn't ready for the desktop is a gross understatement.

Linux makes one hell of an excellent desktop, and for most Windows Noobs who are constantly getting bombarded with spyware and viruses, these people especially need to be running something like Linux or OSX.

As far as a general desktop, Linux is well beyond the scope of general usage.

Linux does run mission critical systems, Hollywood uses it to make movies, and businesses, and governments around the world use it to for office productivity.

Remember no one OS does everything 100%, please show me the perfect OS?

Contact Air uses Ubuntu, I don't think an Airline is going to use a system unless it works, LOL.

Talk about CRITICAL usage.

http://www.ubuntu.com/products/casestudies/ContactAir

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Default 05-08-2007, 00:36 | posts: 137 | Location: USA

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I'm running Beryl on my rig with OpenSUSE x64. Nice and smooth. The only thing I can say about Beryl is make sure you download the current stable release and not the snapshot. The snapshot release is not entirely unstable. I got the white screen of death (as I like to call it) upon reboot. For those who don't know, the WSOD is when the OpenGL based effects fail to initialize, the desktop pops up for a split second and then you're greeted with a blank white screen.

If you consider yourself relatively good with computers but don't like hassle, OpenSUSE is probably the best distro I've tried. Running KDE, it's definitely the most Windows like. YAST2 is built in so you rarely, if ever need to use the terminal. If you want to use a KDE based distro, this one's my favourite so far. It's currently #2 on Distrowatch.

Just a note about some distros. Not all of them contain native MP3 and copy-protected DVD support. This is due to patent issues in the US, therefore US based distros lack support. Royalties would cost too much so they're not included in order to keep their distro free. OpenSUSE is one of these. Third party support is available for these operating systems though.
Had the same problem with my system i figured i shouldn't use the snapshots but I did anyway and learned the hardway as to why not lol. I have mp3 support and wmv mpeg etc not legal but i have it
   
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Default 05-08-2007, 00:41 | posts: 734

Hey I'm not down on you Finchwizard, but what you stated is not correct, Linux doesn't fail as a desktop for ease of use with nearly every program.

In 10 years of running Linux I have not seen this to be the case.

There is only a failure when a developer compiles the applications and programs incorrectly, but sooner or later in a new update the issue is resolved.

Look back a few years when Windows updates killed systems, I hope you are aware of this fact, that doing updates in the past caused major problems for many end-users, so I'm not sure which would be considered a bigger disaster to some, but I do know that Linux packages or updates have never been as big of a problem, as they have been for Windows users.

In the end when you compare Windows, system lockups, BSOD, crashes, spyware/malware/viruses, security issues, etc...,and updates gone bad, actually the world of Windows has proven more troublesome then Linux...


P.S. I do run XP most of the time too, so I'm not bashing Windows, I use it, but I know the reality of it compared to Linux...

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Default 05-08-2007, 01:24 | posts: 16,441 | Location: Locked in Guru3D Server Room. Help!

Hey, you're preaching to the wrong person, I'm a huge Linux Guru, I did all the original Linux threads on these forums.

Primetime I mean like Windows, could Linux replace every single Windows machine out there, or every OS X machine out there.

Answers no, no gaming, no multimedia.

Driver support is pretty good, sucks on modems and webcams, most other things are pretty good.

I'm looking at it a completely different way than you will be, as an Administrator, I wouldn't put it out their for my clients because there's just some things it won't handle as well as Windows.

On servers, absolutely, I wouldn't use anything BUT Linux or Unix on my servers.

Until you have MYOB, Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, Adobe Premiere, AutoCAD, all the big players running on Linux, it still has no hope.

OS X has more of a chance that Linux at the moment with ease of use and programs.

If you think otherwise, you are kidding yourself.
   
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Default 05-08-2007, 02:22 | posts: 734

Don't worry I'm not preaching, hehe

There's gaming, yes of course not as big as Windows, but don't scare the noobs off thinking it's totally a lost cause, there are many great games that have Linux binaries built for them, and Transgaming has great success for the Windows games.

There are also many CAD, and Accounting apps for Linux, as well as Multimedia.

These are only a few links, I'm sure there are more apps.

Also from what I've gathered CodeWeaver is suppose to fill the gap quite nice to run Windows apps in Linux.

Codeweaver:
http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/

Transgaming:
http://www.transgaming.com/

CAD:
http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html

Accounting:
http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/F...al/Accounting/
   
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Default 05-08-2007, 02:28 | posts: 16,441 | Location: Locked in Guru3D Server Room. Help!

I don't see the point of switching to Linux, then running things like Transgaming and Codeweaver.

You go to Linux to get away from license restrictions and you're right back at it.
   
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Default 05-08-2007, 03:26 | posts: 734

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I don't see the point of switching to Linux, then running things like Transgaming and Codeweaver.

You go to Linux to get away from license restrictions and you're right back at it.
Yes I don't like them either...
   
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Default 05-08-2007, 03:43 | posts: 9,445 | Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha

Anyone tried Ubuntu 7.04 yet? Is it any different than the 6.10? I am just curious if its worth the upgrade.
   
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Default 05-08-2007, 23:44 | posts: 78 | Location: Lexington, KY

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Anyone tried Ubuntu 7.04 yet? Is it any different than the 6.10? I am just curious if its worth the upgrade.
I'm running it on my "Ubuntu Box". I really like it although there's a lot of people out there who don't like it as much as the last release. I think if you have more modern hardware (which a lot of Linux machines don't) it's just fine. I've never installed or owned my own Linux machine until this one and I managed decently enough.

There were a few hiccups like Ubuntu labeling my hard drive as "Floppy 1" and trying to treat it like a 300gb floppy drive. It wasn't keeping me from using the drive but it was annoying having this Floppy 1 drive show up on the "Computer" screen even though I don't have a floppy drive installed.

It also took me over 4 hours to get my nVidia drivers installed. I was trying to do it without the internet since I didn't want to lug the entire rig into the living room so that I could reach it with an Ethernet cable (the rest of the house is wireless and my Ubuntu Box doesn't have a wireless nic). When I eventually broke down and carried the entire machine into the living room I was able to download a script called Envy which almost does everything for you. You still have to switch to root and enable a few things before it can work it's magic but it was a hell of a lot easier than trying to follow nVidia's vague instructions.

I even got Wine, which comes with Feisty, to work with WoW. It runs like absolute crap though (I'm still not entirely sure the drivers are installed correctly). That same rig with Windows XP ran WoW at 1280x1024 at 60fps (capped), in Ubuntu it runs at about 15 fps and the graphics look like crap.

That also reminds me, I had to edit some config files and look up pdf's of my monitor's manual in order to get the resolution above 1024x768. That was probably the easiest thing to do out of all the things I tried.

Best feature- Add/Remove Programs. The ability to view the entire catalog of free software and have it automatically downloaded/installed/updated at the click of a button was extremely impressive. Microsoft would have a hernia if they tried something like that in Windows. I also really like the Open: Office which comes with Feisty, I still can't believe it's free.

I also like how you can just type a few lines of text in the Terminal and it will download and install things for you. Assuming it works, I still don't think it's as easy as downloading a file and double clicking it to install.

My Ubuntu Box:
Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) AMD64 Ver.
eVGA AN8 SLI mobo
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Default 05-10-2007, 20:08 | posts: 1,597 | Location: UK

Ok...I take back the bad comments about linux...there is one extremely desirable distro out there and I dont know if anyone know this...

Its called Uberylbeta, I have just downloaded it of a toeernt site and its mainly ubuntu with beryl fully functional after the first install, aslo used anvy to get the latest nvidia drivers and prestro...no more lockups
   
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Default 06-07-2007, 21:52 | posts: 1 | Location: Lantzville, Canada

suse 10.x is great, that and redhat( has to be purchased to get updates and suport) way better than fedora.. In my class of 30 at university maybe only 8 could get it to run decently and not do terrible things such as fry my monitor which it did greatly.

Suse is by far the best all around desktop Linux distro.. The most widely used in Europe as well. Not to mention the opengl games in it are pretty dam good. Btw Linux isn't all that wonderfull to new hardware.. its designed by poor nerds and for extra computers ( other than servers, thats different )..hence horrible support for certain hardware
   
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Default 06-07-2007, 23:53 | posts: 734

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Ok...I take back the bad comments about linux...there is one extremely desirable distro out there and I dont know if anyone know this...

Its called Uberylbeta, I have just downloaded it of a toeernt site and its mainly ubuntu with beryl fully functional after the first install, aslo used anvy to get the latest nvidia drivers and prestro...no more lockups
one extremely desirable distro, LOL, sorry not to be rude or anything, but from that statement, your Linux experience I can tell is very new.

There are many great distros, but you need to LEARN how to use Linux is all.

Don't expect this to be Windows, or as simple to get up and running and using.

If you want to learn Linux be prepared for a little learning, or be prepared for some frustration.

Linux doesn't suck, it's that you don't quite seem to understand what it is, or what it has to offer compared to other systems.

Every OS has it's Pros & Cons and no OS is perfect, you just have to find the one that suits your needs best.

The way this is going with you, you should try to play with OSX, you'll probably like it the best, or as Finch pointed out try PCBSD, which is based off of FreeBSD, but don't expect perfection there either.

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Default 08-17-2007, 12:44 | posts: 6,685 | Location: Baltimore, MD, USA

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Anyone tried Ubuntu 7.04 yet? Is it any different than the 6.10? I am just curious if its worth the upgrade.
Actually I'm about to install Xubuntu downstairs on a PC, I'll tell you how it goes (I'm using 7.04). I think that the difference is that there's something (blocking on the freaking name >>) upgraded from 2.2.1beta to 2.2.2 methinks. Like the base of the product?

IDK, I swear I read it somewhere XD

Can anyone help me out though? Is there anything to know before moving to linux? It's already setup and I already have the partition ready.

Another quick question though, how would I install the program rdesktop on my desktop computer (windows)? I can't figure out how to get from downloading it off of sourceforge to getting it running.
Help?
   
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after using ubutnu 5 6 and 7 as well as kubuntu, i can say that it is a very nice neat little operating system, although it does require a little more than windows. it is a great os to run on older hardware to make it seem faster and is good for web browsing and making documents, as well as listening to music and watching videos etc
   
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Satan

Here is a tutorial that should give you an idea how to get it working using Synaptic to install rdesktop and vmware-server.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windo...re-59314.shtml



The terminal rules once you learn the commands. Much faster than clicking option after option with your mouse.

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Default 11-16-2007, 20:52 | posts: 13 | Location: UK

I'm new to Linux, having just installed Ubuntu 7.10 on my system, and I love it!
it's so fast, even with 3D desktop effects running, it detected ALL my hardware and installed drivers during the install with no fuss. My 8800GTS card was installed with no hassle either....just a couple of mouse clicks! Software updates are taken care of, and there's a huge library of software available for simple installation, straight 'out the box' with no messing around with the terminal; the terminal is something I was worried about!
It has great media players built-in, and if it's missing any codecs, it just goes and installs them with another couple of mouse clicks; all so much simpler than with Windows! Plus by default it reads PDF files and of course, has Open Office 2.3 built-in.
Fantastic stuff, and all free! I'd recommend it to anyone who is fairly used to Windows and understands the basics...Ubuntu 7.10, for me, just works! And makes sense!
I'd recommend it to anyone wanting to try Linux as an alternative.....
   
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Default 11-26-2007, 00:03 | posts: 734

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Default 12-02-2007, 20:06 | posts: 780 | Location: Chicago, IL

Have vista on.
Just got VM Ware workstation. How do I go about installing Ubuntu? Do I need to make another partition for it? Should I not use VMWare?
   
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